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In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

HTFU.

EDIT: Here's an obvious answer... you could have turned around and docked up until later, instead of waiting on the gate.

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

I too would like the Federal Government to pay for my fuel for everytime that I am stuck in traffic on a Highway!!

GIVE ME MY WASTED MONEY GOVERNMENT!!! AND BUILD WIDER ROADS THAT CAN HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC!!

HTFU.

EDIT: Here's an obvious answer... you could have turned around and docked up until later, instead of waiting on the gate.

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

It isn't that oh, Jita was just suddenly locked down or anything. Jita has been like this literally for days. Why is the OP surprised that he wasn't able to get through? Was he actually just chilling on the gate? Or did he just happen to arrive there just a second earlier and the wartarget got lucky?

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space

But the hardware is behaving exactly as it was designed, to handle as many people as it possibly can. This is still a pilot issue, Jita has been clogged for days now, plenty of posts about it.

Wouldn't fitting the badger a tank (or anything for that matter) have bought you a smidgin of time against the lone destroyer ?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16474383

Good lord, I've had T1 frigates with more tank then that.
I mean the WT could just have easily locked you up on the other side of the gate while you were aligning and blapped you then.

Two weeks ago a certain high ranking member of my corporation *) lost a ship with several hundred millions of Isk worth of cargo wile trying to dock at Jita IV-4. Scotty was apparently busy so the docking request didn't come through. There where 2000+ in system.....
When he reluctantly told us, he immediately said there was only one to blame: him. He was right.

If in doubt about the safety of your route, scout. Being it null sec, low sec or high sec, there is never 100% safety. And that is as it should be.
Also, when flying a less defendable ship, fly the route multiple times with less cargo to spread the risk. That way when your ship gets blown up, you don't lose all. Or fly a sturdier ship of course.
And please, don't blame CCP (or anyone else) for something they have very little or no control over.

I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.

Good luck in your future endeavours!


*)Yes, us ISD people DO play EvE, although not with our ISD characters.

I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.

4/10 on the troll, for getting some responses.....


No self-respecting EVE pilot would fly a badger in highsec during a war-dec......

4/10 on the troll, for getting some responses.....


No self-respecting EVE pilot would fly a badger in highsec during a war-dec......

Confirming Red Frog Freight is fast, reliable, and extremely cheap. I will stake my honor on that.

And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow..

It was his fault in either scenario.
Ignorance of game mechanics, even mechanics such as the Jita gate refusing you access because there are a lot of people in-system, is not an excuse.

I'm not sure if I'd Red Frog things from stations only a jump away...

If said game mechanics aren't visible unless you know to look for it, happen upon it on accident, or have the situation happen to you, then yeah, ignorance is a bit less their fault and more at the fault of lack of good ways to discover the mechanic before it becomes an issue.

Red frog will do within system from one station to another even. Heck, they'd probably take it from the station, undock, warp to a planet, then back to the very same station, as long as you paid.

How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?

How did the thread derail in to talking about freight services in about a day? I mean I use Black Frog but really, how?

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

Because it is perfectly possible to do all the trading you ever want without ever setting a foot into Jita?

Freight Services to get your stuff there (and you don-¦t even need Red Frog Freight, just spit your stuff into smaller stacks and courier contract them individually, they would get picked up within minutes for a simple 1-jump transport) and the appropriate trading skills to remote trade your stuff.

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Jita has been locked down for days, why didn't you try to go around, or just not go?

Can I like this comment more than once?

To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OK, I'm done.

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

If said game mechanics aren't visible unless you know to look for it, happen upon it on accident, or have the situation happen to you, then yeah, ignorance is a bit less their fault and more at the fault of lack of good ways to discover the mechanic before it becomes an issue. I mean say for example the mechanic existed as it does now, yet no one ever ran into it. Who would know about it? That's something you have to think about if you look at something beyond the shortsighted side of things. Because honestly? I don't think anyone would.

Except that this is something that happens all the time and there are 500 QQ threads per day about it.

The much-loved and informative "Traffic Advisory" messages have disappeared from EVE, forever.

Wouldn't fitting the badger a tank (or anything for that matter) have bought you a smidgin of time against the lone destroyer ?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16474383

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

MORE CLARIFICATION: I'm not complaining about the loss/losses as it took me about 4 hours of sitting in complexes watching 5 episodes of the walking dead on my other monitor and glancing at local every once in a while. I got jumped a few times and by a few gate camps, but oh what's this? I BURNED TO THE GATE AND JUMPED THROUGH BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLOSED. And once again, cause of death was because Jita gates were closed, something that no amount of preparation or "scouting" would prevent. Really it comes down to how fast you can press jump and enter jump and enter jump and enter, rinse repeat until you're in. Also why would I go to the Amarr trading hub? There isn't a State Protecterate station within reasonable distance and the prices are subpar.

Also the thread title is "legitimate game mechanic" I'm not asking about the internal factors of this kill such as faction warfare, suicide ganking, etc. I'm saying that the ONLY reason I died was because I was denied use of gate due to Jita being overfilled which is due to hardware restrictions.

I think I should add an appendix for this post.

To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub.

1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.

Jita has been locked down for days, why didn't you try to go around, or just not go?

Here is how you get around war targets camping Jita...

First get one of you other toons (one account = three toons) create a corp. Your main submits an app to new corp.... your new ceo submits an invitation. Now leave the invite open.

Next time your stuck at Jita gate with a wartarget you wait until he starts shooting at you... then accept the invite and watch you old wt get concorded.... hehe

Sounds like an exploit

1) He was flying a indy ship "unfitted".

2)He is in FW that means WAR is constant. He should have operated with that in mind.

3)Jita ....


The best thing is he spins this incom.... misfortune as the Minmatars put sleeper cells deep in Caldari space with the intention of crippling profit from the blood of their fallen comrade.

You were hauling stuff while you were at war with someone and died so you feel the need to complain about it on the forums. Roger that.

All I'm going to say is that while 1) was a fit of stupidity on his part, it ultimately was irrelevant in his death. In this particular case its a seperate issue... a mistake that actually saved him ISK disturbingly enough.

Sounds like an exploit

Let someone say it officially please. My mains corp recently suffered they exact thing costing us a few billion in T3 Cruisers sploded by Conord because a WT switch corps in the middle of the fight. Still awaiting on the petition but I expect it to be working as intended like everything else.

Hard to say with 2... depends on if the wartarget was waiting for easy targets in the area or not. His align time would have been hellish on the other side.

yeah but then he'd have been popped on the other side of the gate and it WOULD have been his stupidity.
as it stands a gate randomly being closed isn't exactly pilot error, all else aside.

Pilot error entered into the picture long before he arrived at the Jita gate.

Pilot error entered into the picture long before he arrived at the Jita gate.

except that really had nothing to do with him being in the situation he was in when he got locked and shot at. that was a direct result of the gate being closed, had it not been closed, he wouldn't have been there.

i'm not denying the OP is an idiot, i'm just saying that's not why he got killed.

except it would have occured in Jita instead.

exactly, so the gate being closed, was the reason he died where he did, in the situation he was in.

other side of the gate = pilot error.
the side he died on = not pilot error, since an individual pilot doesn't control whether the gate is open or not.

Keep in mind, its a predictable game mechanic, but its not widely advertised.

Why would people complain about that? Or was it appearing to EVERYONE regardless of how far away they were?

He's trying to blame his inability to jump through immediately for causing his death, which is not the case at all.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate.

The corporation I am in has no active war declarations.

It appears that people coming in to this thread assume I'm posting because of me crying for my loss and I say nay, I care not. I lost a 250 mill isk raven just earlier today because I felt grabbing a sandwich and forgot to get some missiles, my fault my loss. However in the case of my badger it was not due to my error but rather a "legitimate game mechanic" that I was killed.

It appears that people coming in to this thread assume I'm posting because of me crying for my loss and I say nay, I care not. I lost a 250 mill isk raven just earlier today because I felt grabbing a sandwich and forgot to get some missiles, my fault my loss. However in the case of my badger it was not due to my error but rather a "legitimate game mechanic" that I was killed.

The red saw him in local, landed immediately after the OP attempted to jump through. Had his attempt been successful the Minmatar would have simply followed him in and popped him while aligning (which is exactly what he did, just on the other side of the gate). The situation would have been identical, except it would have occured in Jita instead.

To everyone.

Now perhaps it could be a more focused notification.

The solution would be to

The solution would be to introduce the parking ticket. You got two hours free, anything more is going to be charged. Longer you stay, more to pay. This way maybe we could get rid of those annoying bots infesting Jita and blocking the legit players to actually play the game.

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?
.....
I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion

I kinda dislike the need for a millitia member to have an alt run your cargo within your own miltia space:
- it's a real obstacle for newer players.

Quite literally, 4 hours training.


4.


I don't see that as an obstacle...I made my first alt hauler char the first time I was at war. Back then you wound up with a whole bunch of useless SP no matter what you picked for char. creation. With improved training times now, there is zero excuse for those who find themselves at war in hi-sec to not have a neutral hauler.

The whole concept of needing alts is rather alien to most new players.

I guess it's good that none of these are true.

Because no one in WoW has an enchanting\tailoring\blacksmithing\mining\herbalist alt that they use so they don't have to deal with others?

you don't even need an alt for hauling when you can contract it out to couriers

also true but not really cost effective when you are a small time militia player.

Realistically, I only found out Jita was full from reading this post here. How would I have known in-game until I tried to jump through the gate?

I think a way to see if your jump will fail or not before you attempt do a session change would be an interesting and useful game mechanic. For example, having color coding on the 'landing strip' style lights so when you jump in on a target sitting on gate you can already see if it's worth burning in to engage or not.

On the other hand, if you got killed by a GlassCat, you were probably killed by a suicide ganker who happened to be looking for freight and saw a war target. Those 600dps Catalysts are great for facerape but terrible in most engagements that last more than 5 seconds.

except, it is.

You could have used this loss as a valuable opportunity to learn to fly appropriate ships for appropriate tasks. But alas, you don't seem to.

You don't go in with a schoolbus in the middle of a mined warzone, get stuck on a terrain bump, get hit by artillery and then complain against the bump. You just don't go in a warzone with a schoolbus. Period.

It's widely known since years that gate locks happen at Jita.
Deal with it, before others deal with you.

I would imagine he was fit to avoid ganks such as these. (which is easy)

As to your little metaphor about buses, let's take it a step further. The entirety of The Forge is under Caldari State sovereignty. So I was a soldier driving a bus through home territory when, due to the "road bump" was not able to move. Out of nowhere an enemy combatant pulls a howitzer out of his ass and blows me up. That's more or less what happened. So was it my fault that there was a bump in the road?

I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?

Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?

Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.

As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.

Jeez people, keep it short and civil.

To clarify: My corp participates in faction warfare as Caldari state protecterate. Jita and the entirety of The Forge is Caldari space, and in comes a Minmatar pilot in a catalyst dealing ~400 dps. I did try to warp off when I saw that the gates were closed but he locked me down before I could warp because I'm in a BADGER. The corporation I am in has no active war declarations. I am not talking about the state of the game or the fact that I was blown up, I'm talking about the METHOD in which I was blown up. This isn't like low/null sec where you can scout things out and scan down the system for bubbles, it is a single choke point that closes and opens at a whim with no reliable way of activation without the "Jita gates are closed" etc etc message.

Oh also, it's my fault that Jita gates were closed? Really? Tell me how.

MORE CLARIFICATION: I'm not complaining about the loss/losses as it took me about 4 hours of sitting in complexes watching 5 episodes of the walking dead on my other monitor and glancing at local every once in a while. I got jumped a few times and by a few gate camps, but oh what's this? I BURNED TO THE GATE AND JUMPED THROUGH BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLOSED. And once again, cause of death was because Jita gates were closed, something that no amount of preparation or "scouting" would prevent. Really it comes down to how fast you can press jump and enter jump and enter jump and enter, rinse repeat until you're in. Also why would I go to the Amarr trading hub? There isn't a State Protecterate station within reasonable distance and the prices are subpar.

Also the thread title is "legitimate game mechanic" I'm not asking about the internal factors of this kill such as faction warfare, suicide ganking, etc. I'm saying that the ONLY reason I died was because I was denied use of gate due to Jita being overfilled which is due to hardware restrictions.

I think I should add an appendix for this post.