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Steve Spooner
Divine Spirit DSM Strategic Operations Brigade
3
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:11:00 -
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I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right? Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right? Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed. No, I was killed warping AWAY from Jita gates because it was too congested and I couldn't jump through. As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
543
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:13:00 -
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Jita has been locked down for days, why didn't you try to go around, or just not go? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
626
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:18:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:I In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.
Every one hypothetically Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1221
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:18:00 -
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You were flying a slow and undefended badger with 350,000,000 ISK worth of cargo during a time of war into THE MOST populated system in EVE.
What part of that made you think this was a good idea? Congestion or not, you made several risky choices and paid the price for at least one of them.
You could have flown something with more tank or a cloak (DST or blockade runner) You could have hauled it with an NPC corp alt, avoiding the wardec. You could have flown it to a trade hub less congested, or not to a hub at all. You could have carried it in several trips using an actual PvP vessel.
You chose to gamble for the easy and quick way of doing things, and you gambled wrong.
HTFU.
EDIT: Here's an obvious answer... you could have turned around and docked up until later, instead of waiting on the gate. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
545
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:21:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:
HTFU.
EDIT: Here's an obvious answer... you could have turned around and docked up until later, instead of waiting on the gate.
Or get mad after the fact and blame CCP for your poor decision making skills. Everyone else around here seems to do it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
42
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:23:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?
Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?
Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.
As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.
I too would like the Federal Government to pay for my fuel for everytime that I am stuck in traffic on a Highway!!
GIVE ME MY WASTED MONEY GOVERNMENT!!! AND BUILD WIDER ROADS THAT CAN HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC!!

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1089
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:24:00 -
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You were hauling stuff while you were at war with someone and died so you feel the need to complain about it on the forums. Roger that. |

Dark Reignz
Four-Q
3
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:27:00 -
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Wouldn't fitting the badger a tank (or anything for that matter) have bought you a smidgin of time against the lone destroyer ?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16474383
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
545
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:28:00 -
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Mr. Orange wrote:Steve Spooner wrote:I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?
Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?
Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.
As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range. I too would like the Federal Government to pay for my fuel for everytime that I am stuck in traffic on a Highway!! GIVE ME MY WASTED MONEY GOVERNMENT!!! AND BUILD WIDER ROADS THAT CAN HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC!! 
Also while not charging me any taxes! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12988
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:29:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:HTFU.
EDIT: Here's an obvious answer... you could have turned around and docked up until later, instead of waiting on the gate. To the OP's credit, he did pick an ever so less obvious gate to go through, but stillGǪ this ^^^
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7813
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:29:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?
Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?
Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.
As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.
You were flying a badger near Jita with a war active? 
He'd only have caught you on the other side of the gate anyway. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Khoul Ay'd
eve of redemption
20
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:35:00 -
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Okay, I'm sympathetic to most gank losses especially for carebears, I'm one myself. But I had to LOL at this.
A. you're flying with 350mil in a slow, untankable ship at the busiest gates in EVE  B. during a war 
What part of this plan doesn't sound really bad? Harden up and L2P.
PS. My wife, who does not play asked why I laughed. When I explained the scenario she had two pieces of advice:
1. Learn to play, its called strategy dude 2. Stop crying like a little girl |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
546
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:36:00 -
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It isn't that oh, Jita was just suddenly locked down or anything. Jita has been like this literally for days. Why is the OP surprised that he wasn't able to get through? Was he actually just chilling on the gate? Or did he just happen to arrive there just a second earlier and the wartarget got lucky? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
151
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:40:00 -
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While I support giving more population room to Jita or banning all the Jita bots in order to let emergent gameplay create the best marketplace...
(and on that note, I would argue that nodes should be able to support 3000 player in general when the big fights go down)
...I do have to point out that traveling in an industrial with over 100 million worth of goods is a bad idea.
Right now its a bad idea to travel to Jita on the weekends so I suggest not going to Jita until the problem is resolved. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7814
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:47:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:It isn't that oh, Jita was just suddenly locked down or anything. Jita has been like this literally for days. Why is the OP surprised that he wasn't able to get through? Was he actually just chilling on the gate? Or did he just happen to arrive there just a second earlier and the wartarget got lucky?
It's remarkable that people who complain that it's too hard to use the EVE-O forums (and devblogs, and news feed) to get information never have much difficulty using them to complain about the consequences of not having that information. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing The Honda Accord
39
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:49:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:I recently lost a badger with 350~ million isk worth of ammo, nothing new right?
Well I lost it in Niyabainen, 1.0 sec space. Well hey suicide ganks are still a viable strategy in this situation right?
Well I wasn't caught undocking from station, in some random belt, or any other situation where one can viably be killed in high sec. No, I was killed trying to warp through Jita gates and stopped because it was too congested.
As many know a badger warping is like trying to roll a space potato in a straight line, it takes more time than it should and it's painfully slow. So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space and the second he gets on the gate he locks my ass down. I was 1000m from the Jita gate, I could have jumped through but nop, officals shut the gate down due to congestion which for all intents and purposes means the Jita node is a fustercluck of people trying to get in and everyone else spamming PLEX scams and such. So I petitioned this and I was given the response "Being killed on a gate because our servers were too full is a legit game mechanic" and yada yada yada. So what I'm left with is being told CCP hardware restrictions can directly translate in to there being a "legitimate game mechanic". In what other high sec system can you die because the gate doesn't allow you to jump through when you are within range.
Sorry bud, but that's pretty much your own fault. Sucks, sure, it's not on CCP.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4015
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:59:00 -
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Bro, you've got nobody to blame but yourself for this. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
53
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:01:00 -
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You were flying around during a war...
Did you expect him to just shrug off a free indy kill?  |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1007
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:05:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:So in comes a Minmatar wartarget in 1.0 sec caldari space
I think I spotted the problem, here.
On one hand, I could scorn the OP for expecting anything less from a FW enemy.
On the other hand, CCP might want to consider changing Navy response times on FW people on the wrong side of the tracks to be slightly better than "Eh, we'll will do it manana. *zzzzz*" EvE Forum Bingo |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:07:00 -
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To be fair, to be killed because of a serverside hardware issue does border on bullshit... but it is kind of the risk you take when you hit Jita rather than another trade hub. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
546
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:09:00 -
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But the hardware is behaving exactly as it was designed, to handle as many people as it possibly can. This is still a pilot issue, Jita has been clogged for days now, plenty of posts about it. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Kate stark
263
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:10:00 -
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on the one hand, you shouldn't have to play russian roulette with the gates.
on the other hand, you probably shouldn't be hauling [to jita of all places] when you're at war. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:20:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:But the hardware is behaving exactly as it was designed, to handle as many people as it possibly can. This is still a pilot issue, Jita has been clogged for days now, plenty of posts about it.
Forums are never a reliable way to spread information. The majority of people aren't going to look on the forums daily for news. For even 10% to know what is going on in the forums would be a miracle in itself. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if many aren't only now discovering that this mechanic exists. Its not exactly something you find out about unless you know to actually look for it. There's not exactly a warning during the tutorial that says "clogged up systems may be temporarily blocked off". I have trouble blaming pilots for things like this that are only discovered when the circumstance actually pops up. Its a learning experience, sure, but calling them at fault? Not really reasonable. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
166

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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:22:00 -
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Two weeks ago a certain high ranking member of my corporation *) lost a ship with several hundred millions of Isk worth of cargo wile trying to dock at Jita IV-4. Scotty was apparently busy so the docking request didn't come through. There where 2000+ in system..... When he reluctantly told us, he immediately said there was only one to blame: him. He was right.
If in doubt about the safety of your route, scout. Being it null sec, low sec or high sec, there is never 100% safety. And that is as it should be. Also, when flying a less defendable ship, fly the route multiple times with less cargo to spread the risk. That way when your ship gets blown up, you don't lose all. Or fly a sturdier ship of course. And please, don't blame CCP (or anyone else) for something they have very little or no control over.
I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.
Good luck in your future endeavours!
*)Yes, us ISD people DO play EvE, although not with our ISD characters. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:23:00 -
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Good lord, I've had T1 frigates with more tank then that. I mean the WT could just have easily locked you up on the other side of the gate while you were aligning and blapped you then. |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:25:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Good lord, I've had T1 frigates with more tank then that. I mean the WT could just have easily locked you up on the other side of the gate while you were aligning and blapped you then.
And in that scenario, I definitely would call his fault on it, lol. No fittings at all.. wow.. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1223
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:43:00 -
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Killing a wartarget for being stupid is a legitimate game mechanic. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
399
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:47:00 -
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You got killed by a war target in highsec? In Jita? You were flying an untanked tech 1 industrial with more cargo value than the cost of a deep space transport? In Jita? Just answer those questions to yourself. This should help you work out where the problem lies so you can avoid this in the future.  -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
549
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:50:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Two weeks ago a certain high ranking member of my corporation *) lost a ship with several hundred millions of Isk worth of cargo wile trying to dock at Jita IV-4. Scotty was apparently busy so the docking request didn't come through. There where 2000+ in system..... When he reluctantly told us, he immediately said there was only one to blame: him. He was right.
If in doubt about the safety of your route, scout. Being it null sec, low sec or high sec, there is never 100% safety. And that is as it should be. Also, when flying a less defendable ship, fly the route multiple times with less cargo to spread the risk. That way when your ship gets blown up, you don't lose all. Or fly a sturdier ship of course. And please, don't blame CCP (or anyone else) for something they have very little or no control over.
I reassure you, we all had our 'DOH... whatwasIthinking?!?.....' moments in EvE. Learn, move on and do it better the next time.
Good luck in your future endeavours!
*)Yes, us ISD people DO play EvE, although not with our ISD characters.
Can I like this comment more than once? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
549
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:51:00 -
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Feature working as intended. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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