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Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
1266
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:44:00 -
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while it's true that we forum posters are not the majority of the player base...we are the voice of the masses! 
like a non-elected senate or parliament. we take it upon ourselves to represent the people! the voice of the many, brought forth by the few. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
342
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:45:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Is this addressed at me or yourself? Since you're the one doing it. See above. Crumplecorn wrote:And the suggestion that you ignore the vocal ones helps this... how? Right there is where you did it. Herp, derp, derp. As I said, this was just me trying to draw your completely tangential point back to the actual conversation.
Aren Madigan wrote:Metrics is a common method... tracking what triggers increase in customer activity. They do that on a massive scale already. Have you not been here for, well, everything since Incarna? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:47:00 -
[33] - Quote
Maybe you missed the part where I said that yes, I'm pretty sure they did that. Try and keep up. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
343
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:52:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Maybe you missed the part where I said that yes, I'm pretty sure they did that. Sorry, I assumed you came into the thread with more than just a snide remark, but if your entire contribution really is that CCP should do what they are already doing and that I'd fail at business for reasons unconnected to anything I or anyone else has actually said, I guess we're done. gg [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:55:00 -
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Funnily enough I never said there wasn't a problem with what they were already doing, I was just saying there's a problem with you thinking that forum goers are the only ones whose opinions really mattered... so yeah, gg I guess. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
154
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:56:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Multiquotes
Look. The forums are a hotbed of ignorance of trolling. Threads are usually locked down on a daily basis. How can you tell me with a straighface that the forums are some holy form of euridite uptopia?
I think you think of yourself as some devine incarnation of the mouthpeice of the playerbase simply because you found the forums. Any fool can google "EVE forums" and if they figure out how to type in their user name and password then they are on their way to generating text whether people want it or not.
You aren't any more deserving of playing EVE than someone who doesn't play forum warrior.
And you are only making yourself look like a fool if you say CCP doesn't care about the majoirty of the non-forum players.
Or are you going to tell us that CCP doesn't care about making profits so they can't pay their employees because they decided that they didn't need the majority of their subscriptions who never visted the forums? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Hershman
Creepers Corporation Creepers Alliance
195
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Posted - 2013.02.24 03:56:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:What survey?
It's on the bottom of the EVE launcher, below the loading bar.
You wouldnt even know about it if you have it set to automatically launch. |

Hershman
Creepers Corporation Creepers Alliance
195
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:00:00 -
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Can a mod please remove the troll posts?
Its idiots like that keep people from posting here more often. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
344
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:01:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Look. The forums are a hotbed of ignorance of trolling. Threads are usually locked down on a daily basis. How can you tell me with a straighface that the forums are some holy form of euridite uptopia. I'm not. And you seem to think GD is the only forum.
Captain Tardbar wrote:I think you think of yourself as some devine incarnation of the mouthpeice of the playerbase simply because you found the forums. Any fool can google "EVE forums" and if they figure out how to type in their user name and password then they are on their way to generating text whether people want it or not. And fool can do it, yet we should listen to the ones who can't?
Captain Tardbar wrote:You aren't any more deserving of playing EVE than someone who doesn't play forum warrior. Well now this is completely out of nowhere. You sound a little mad.
Captain Tardbar wrote:And you are only making yourself look like a fool if you say CCP doesn't care about the majoirty of the non-forum players.
Or are you going to tell us that CCP doesn't care about making profits so they can't pay their employees because they decided that they didn't need the majority of their subscriptions who never visted the forums. Again, nowhere did I even remotely suggest that. That's at least two steps of spectacular failure of reading comprehension away from anything I've said. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:06:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:And you are only making yourself look like a fool if you say CCP doesn't care about the majoirty of the non-forum players.
Or are you going to tell us that CCP doesn't care about making profits so they can't pay their employees because they decided that they didn't need the majority of their subscriptions who never visted the forums. Again, nowhere did I even remotely suggest that. That's at least two steps of spectacular failure of reading comprehension away from anything I've said.
More like one step, but still one step too many since you never said anything about CCP, just your thought that their opinions didn't matter... tone it back a notch, Captain. |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
789
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:07:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:What survey?
This one |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
154
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:07:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Again, nowhere did I even remotely suggest that. That's at least two steps of spectacular failure of reading comprehension away from anything I've said.
So you agree with me that CCP should not offend the majority of their paying user base regardless if they post on the forums or not?
And question... How is CCP listening to people who don't care enough to post of the forums? Do you mean the survey? Are you really telling us that that CCP should just ignore all the effort they put into making the survey in the first place?
I'm not mad. I'm just enjoying winning this round as a forum warrior.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
1
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:07:00 -
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Hershman wrote:Setaceous wrote:What survey? It's on the bottom of the EVE launcher, below the loading bar. You wouldnt even know about it if you have it set to automatically launch. Thanks. Had to go and start the launcher to find it. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
534
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:11:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: And question... How is CCP listening to people who don't care enough to post of the forums? Do you mean the survey? Are you really telling us that that CCP should just ignore all the effort they put into making the survey in the first place?
Only if you disagree with the results. |

Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
363
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:12:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:There are seriously people who believe that not posting in the forums means you don't care about the game? Wow... just... wow. I'm sorry, but some people refuse to deal with trolls, have their ideas rudely torn apart with no constructive criticism, and I could really write a book report on reasons why someone might care but not post in the forums. Dear lord I hope these people are trolling and avoid any and all jobs where they have to serve customers, because that's the kind of attitude that destroys pretty much any company. You know there are actual restaurants that PRIDE themselves on "the worst customer service in the world", calling you names, putting dunce caps with insults all over tyhem on your head.
my GF brought me to one, it was an intereszting experience. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
345
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:13:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:More like one step, but still one step too many since you never said anything about CCP, just your thought that their opinions didn't matter... tone it back a notch, Captain. Actually I can step it up to three:
I didn't talk about what CCP actually do Or what they should do Or about CCP
Since the focus of my posts has been the groups of players in question. Although that CCP should listen to one group over another is a natural follow up to any argument about which is more worth listening to, I guess.
Captain Tardbar wrote:So you agree with me that CCP should not offend the majority of their paying user base regardless if they post on the forums or not? 'Offend'?
Captain Tardbar wrote:And question... How is CCP listening to people who don't care enough to post of the forums? Do you mean the survey? Are you really telling us that that CCP should just ignore all the effort they put into making the survey in the first place? Again, how are you getting that I'm saying CCP should ignore anyone? I'm the one saying they should be listening to the people who are talking.
Captain Tardbar wrote:I'm not mad. I'm just enjoying winning this round as a forum warrior. This perception is pretty much in line with your comprehension of what's going on in general.
[img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
154
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:15:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:And you are only making yourself look like a fool if you say CCP doesn't care about the majoirty of the non-forum players.
Or are you going to tell us that CCP doesn't care about making profits so they can't pay their employees because they decided that they didn't need the majority of their subscriptions who never visted the forums. Again, nowhere did I even remotely suggest that. That's at least two steps of spectacular failure of reading comprehension away from anything I've said. More like one step, but still one step too many since you never said anything about CCP, just your thought that their opinions didn't matter... tone it back a notch, Captain.
Sorry but what he implied was that only the forum members matter which basically implied that CCP was to throw all the non-forum members under the bus. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
363
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:17:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Funnily enough I never said there wasn't a problem with what they were already doing, I was just saying there's a problem with you thinking that forum goers are the only ones whose opinions really mattered... so yeah, gg I guess. Unvoiced opinions dont matter, just saying. its hard to say someone HAS an opinion if theya rent voicing it, which requires a written/verbalized medium, which is 99% of the time linked in or through these forums. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
154
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:19:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Again, how are you getting that I'm saying CCP should ignore anyone? I'm the one saying they should be listening to the people who are talking.
So we at least agree that CCP should listen to the survey? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
345
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:20:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Sorry but what he implied was that only the forum members matter which basically implied that CCP was to throw all the non-forum members under the bus. Since I explicitly said the exact opposite of this all the way back near the top of page two, I can only assume you are trolling at this point.
Captain Tardbar wrote:So we at least agree that CCP should listen to the survey? Do you see me in here? In this thread? Saying that the players who take the time to communicate what they want should be listened to?
Is this thing on? *tap* *tap* [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:23:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Funnily enough I never said there wasn't a problem with what they were already doing, I was just saying there's a problem with you thinking that forum goers are the only ones whose opinions really mattered... so yeah, gg I guess. Unvoiced opinions dont matter, just saying. its hard to say someone HAS an opinion if theya rent voicing it, which requires a written/verbalized medium, which is 99% of the time linked in or through these forums.
Its not as hard as you think... in fact that entire conversation listen some methods and I'm sure there are more, sooo.. read the whole conversation then get back to me if you have something to actually add. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
154
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Posted - 2013.02.24 04:23:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Sorry but what he implied was that only the forum members matter which basically implied that CCP was to throw all the non-forum members under the bus. Since I explicitly said the exact opposite of this all the way back at the top of page two, I can only assume you are trolling at this point.
Whoops. I have to apologize then. Then I guess we were arguing over something that we agreed on the same point then.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Funnily enough I never said there wasn't a problem with what they were already doing, I was just saying there's a problem with you thinking that forum goers are the only ones whose opinions really mattered... so yeah, gg I guess. Unvoiced opinions dont matter, just saying. its hard to say someone HAS an opinion if theya rent voicing it, which requires a written/verbalized medium, which is 99% of the time linked in or through these forums.
People often voice their opinion with their wallets without ever saying anything to the retailer in question. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Hershman
Creepers Corporation Creepers Alliance
195
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:17:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:I hope you never get into business... because you would fail... horribly. I believe the saying goes a little like this.. for every customer complaint, 26 remain silent. So by the time the majority of your vocal customers complain, the damage has already gone pretty far. And the suggestion that you ignore the vocal ones helps this... how?
I never said they should ignore the forums. I only ask they bring issues to light in a more public means of communication in game. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3636
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:49:00 -
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For those on both sides of the debate, I'd like CCP to let us know at some point what percent of the player base actually responds to the survey.
To be perfectly honest I rather expect survey response percentages to match the percentage of players that post on these forums to match pretty closely. 
Still, filling out the survey is slightly less effort that finding an appropriate thread (or making one) in the forums... so we may hear from the lazy demographic a bit more.   
For what it's worth though, nothing wrong with the survey. Another channel of communication for feedback is all to the good, the only question is how much good. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2190
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:52:00 -
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Hershman wrote:Most players don't post on the forums
If someone cant be bothered to post, I cant be bothered to listen- and neither should CCP . |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
126
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:54:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Hershman wrote:Most players don't post on the forums If someone cant be bothered to post, I cant be bothered to listen- and neither should CCP
Try applying that in the business world and see how far it gets you. (hint: not far) |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2202
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:57:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:No More Heroes wrote:Hershman wrote:Most players don't post on the forums If someone cant be bothered to post, I cant be bothered to listen- and neither should CCP Try applying that in the business world and see how far it gets you. (hint: not far)
Except I dont have to because this is internet spaceships. The will of the players is a tiny fraction of any companies development concerns but this is a stealth thread about the CSM I believe. All is well, they changed the voting system! . |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
618
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:58:00 -
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Now we're getting to the point of "POST WITH YER MAIN OF HTFU !!!"
erm...?? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1261
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:58:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Look. The forums are a hotbed of ignorance of trolling. Threads are usually locked down on a daily basis. How can you tell me with a straighface that the forums are some holy form of euridite uptopia? Trying so hard... If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
403
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Posted - 2013.02.25 21:32:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We're the only players that matter... the only ones that care enough to take time to come here 
I cant tell if you are being serious.
Is your 15 bucks a month more important than someone that dosnt post on the forums? "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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