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Skuregyon
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:47:00 -
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NOTICE OF EMERGENCY
Our Corporation and the list of Corporations underwriting this post had suffered loses cause the "freeze & destroy" exploit.
What this bug consist on?
That's simple; the pirate gang (we'll not point out any name) camps a gate. When a player jumps to this gate, they make his client lagged using various methods (such as generating lot of audio and video data transfer in the zone, probably using macros too). This led the victim's client to freeze, the player is turned in a sitting duck, an easy kill for the group of pirates.
It seems to work with a gang warp too (the whole gang is frized destoyed and podded with no problems), and there's no fun in been killed without been able to do anything.
Now, many petition has been opened, and we are sure this is not the way the devs wanted the battles to be fighted.
So we ask, according to the EULA we accept every time we enter in game:
- The correction as soon as possible of this exploite
- The ban for the players who make a regular use of this kind of bugs
- More feedback by the GMs when someone lose his ship in this way
The Coporations who will sign this petiton are firm and allied in order TO PROTEST against who use this kind of guilty behaviour and will meke their voice heard both inside and outside the game.
We have always reported bug to get the game better and better, and we really don't like when cheaters can take advantage on us.
this exploit has already driven many players in our corporations to leave the game,and others to propose an extensive search of bugs and exploit finalized to a retaliative abuse of the game mechanics (after all, if we can't get it fixed, why not abuse of "weak points" to balance the unfair advantage exploiters take?)all this, because there is no fun in having a lock up and relogging in a new clone, there is no fun in playing for months only to loose everything in a repeated exploit... we feel this conduct as a severe hindrance in game enjoyment and a potential factor in keeping away players from EVE.
Riose Bel CEO of Aquilae Stellars Corporation
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Skuregyon
CSO of AquilaE Stellaris Corporation
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ALL CEO OR CSO SUBSCRIBE THIS!!!!!
(posted also in EVE-i forums)
REMEMBER AESCorporation, the First All Italian Corp. in EVE...fan since 2000 !
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:52:00 -
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Prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Come on, I want you to.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Skuregyon
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:55:00 -
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prove it?
wait replies by others CEO of Corporation convolved in this exploit....many ship lost...same method.
Its an exploit.
REMEMBER AESCorporation, the First All Italian Corp. in EVE...fan since 2000 !
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:01:00 -
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I want you to prove that they were exploiting. Show me where CCP said talking on local and issuing warnings over local was an exploit.
if your computer/connection can't handle it, thats your problem, not theirs.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Skuregyon
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:07:00 -
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LOL good method for resolve a problem....talk about my computer performances?
this is not the problem.
REMEMBER AESCorporation, the First All Italian Corp. in EVE...fan since 2000 !
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:11:00 -
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Have not lost ships due to this exploit, but this certainly is an exploit and must be dealt with. I would leave the game without doubt if this isnt dealt with and i become victim of it, because this problem is allready adressed to CCP.
Therefor i agree with this petition and support the cause.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:11:00 -
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The majority of lag in this game is caused when too much information is sent to a persons computer and their computer is either too slow to handle it or their connection is, or in many cases, both.
Thats why your computer performance is important.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:12:00 -
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computer or connections that can't handle it? nice...so let's say our boxes sucks..is there a warning on the game? something that points out that certain pc or connections aren't in the range of the "minimum hardware request"? no.
so it sounds like a bug....
how can you define the extensive use of a bug to gain an unfair advantage?
exploit?
let's state it guys, I think that many people accept piracy, loosing goods and ships as a part of the game, it adds depth and spice in a otherwise flat minesweeping game, but let me understand why I should find funny having an armed disagreement with a PK and get a client crash....
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:16:00 -
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Your ****ty hardware is not a bug.
And until I see some proof of this 'exploit' I'm not going to give him much credit one way or the other.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:28:00 -
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Marek, maybe you are right, and that my "****ty" hardware (effectively many of us have ****ty soundcards =P ) isn't a bug, so we will have to ask to CCP to advise people without not-so-****ty hardware they should not play EVE.
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:32:00 -
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thats ur friggin problem, but this 3xploit crap is getting on everyone's nerves. im 2 seconds away from filing harassment petitions....
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Kaelor
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:34:00 -
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Simple solution here to find out if your modem / connection is not good enough, just get some software to monitor the dataflow on your modem. I think you'll find eve dosent actually take up that much bandwidth. I use broadbandand only lag problems ive got is when the server has hit 6000 users, combat slows down a fraction when more than 10 ships but otherwise no problems... that is unless someone decides to release all their drones :/
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:34:00 -
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Ok so we're all not supposed to talk in local, use drones, goof off, or not do anything that might possibly cause your system to lag?
Yeah, right. Using missiles causes lag, using guns causes lag, using drones causes lag, running too many chat windows causes lag, too many ships in system causes lag.
You want me to go on, or are you getting the general picture?
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:50:00 -
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All wrong Marek, we want the game run smoothly (at least, smooth as your connection/pc allows, that's it) while you use drones, flood local chat and stuff.
Maybe the misunderstanding we're having is due to the fact none here mentioned some simple facts: a) lag may cause you loose the grasp on controls (like armagedon day, do u remember?) b) many ppl in my corp tried to create a critical mass in order to see how much lag you can have in a system...but none get the client crash, only slow response c) I've submitted my ****ty hardware to CCP Devs, and looks like it's far beyond the standards.
so: or you don't know this..well let me call it "exploit" without start whining about philosophical means of exploit, and you are simply defending pirates gameplay (righteously, I'd say)
or you know it well and you're trying to sell us the idea that we need a supercomputer to play a game (definitely a little bit less righteously...)
Edited by: Harkan Ramientes on 20/07/2003 12:54:19
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:54:00 -
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He hasn't named any names, hasn't offered any proof, nothing but a whiny post about some 'Protest' or a vague 'exploit'.
Sorry if I don't believe a word he says and offered suggestions as to why he was lagging. What you're asking for is a perfect game, and that will be hard to come by. If your comp meets the minimum specs, its understood that your gameplay performance will suffer (hence the term 'minimum').
-=Maarek Steele=-
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:03:00 -
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Maarek Steele, you dont seem a stupid arse who doesnt know what side is his head... So why act this way? You seem to be clever enough that if you use functions that arent needed in combat (like survey scanner etc.) and you use this for a reason to end people then you using a exploit.
You notice the sound that you dont need for combat creates lag, and by using it you are guilty of breaking the TOS or EULA.
I always thought that The Gang was a united group of Pirate players who actually were real pirates and didnt hide behind exploits or bugs, and actually were out there to fight fair instead of killing sitting ducks. The way your defending exploits now gives me doubt about my vision upon The Gang, ARE YOU REALLY THAT MEANNIES!?!.
*sob*
:P
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:05:00 -
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I'm not defending exploits, what I'm asking for is some proof and the names of the people that he is accusing so that they may defend themselves.
I, for one, have had it with witch hunts.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:10:00 -
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Ok, tell me how they can know names if they enter a system (offgaurd not checking local chat and noting names, else they just dont warp)... Warp, freeze before getting out of lag and come back and be a frozen corps.
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 20/07/2003 13:10:51
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Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:15:00 -
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Marek, as I already stated, none want to open up a witch hunt against pirates (which, i insist, add spice and depth to EVE universe)
forums aren't tribunals, but free billboards, even for a formal protest.
and again: having a total crash (4 crashed in a gang of four) is quite different from suffering from casual lag
Edited by: Harkan Ramientes on 20/07/2003 13:19:07
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:17:00 -
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Like I said, until I see something a little more substantial than his word against some nameless foe, I will not throw my support in one way or the other.
But should a misguided group of pirates be using exploits and ruining the rep that several other legitimate Pirate corps have worked hard to build, there will be hell to pay.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Zippy
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:25:00 -
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Yeah right! Computer problems, lol ok but strange enough the "computer problems" only happens when surtain pirates are around, ok odd... Come again, that EXPLOIT should be fixed as quick as possible!
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:27:00 -
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heh, so when someone with a computer thats about 5 times above the recommended specs on a t1 connection gets this problem repeadetly its his "hardwares" fault
and btw, i can crash an entire system if i so wished now that i figured out how...
if the EVE/CCP bug report webpage wasnt bugged id tell them about it
so, next blockade i'll come and boot everyone out of eve in that system for you :)
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:40:00 -
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Ahh the maturiy of pirates shines on.
Though I think it's clever that they're flaming and calling other's names in hopes of getting this thread locked in hopes that devs won't notice this. Quite clever.
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:45:00 -
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Just use the bug report page in the player website. It ain't bugged.
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Nafres Maelstrom
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:59:00 -
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marak thats simply untrue,too many open and large chat windows can cripple client no matter what your connect pc level in eve.
Im broadband and a quick version of that even,with aroung 3mb thruput per sec,and ive experienced this many times.
if anything this is overloaded server /client handshake which lags client till caught up ie expliot and boom.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 14:14:00 -
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Hippey, what are you talking about?
I haven't flamed, all I've asked for was proof and offered suggestions on what might be causing this. His post was vague at best offering little to no detail as to what was happening, under what circumstances, where, and involving what pirates. Unfortunately, as always, you're one of the first to jump onto a bandwagon.
Give me something to work with, and then I may be inclined to believe you. But until I see a little more than him screaming 'exploit', I have no inclination what so ever to lend even the faintest trace of credence to his claims.
As I said, once this proof is shown to me, and passes muster, then we can all take steps as a community to have this remedied. But until such time, this, IMO, is nothing more than a Chicken Little post.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.20 14:16:00 -
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The destroyed ships owners would be informed of who destroyed their ships/pods, no?
Every time I lost a ship, I was informed of it, by mail.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.07.20 14:16:00 -
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I never mentioned your name. Funny that you thought the post was about you though. Hmmmmmm....
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If you kill them, they will die!
Sport the war, war support
The sport is war, total war
When victory's really a massacre.
The final swing is not a drill
It's how many people I can kill! |
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Posted - 2003.07.20 14:41:00 -
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Aye the original poster needs to come up with some names. It might make for a witch hunt but perhaps it would contribute to some progress in figuring out if this is real or imagined. That being said, overloading the client is a old mmorpg trick. Its just weak is all. I suppose people that want to hurt others will acheive that end by any means, game mechanics have to be made robust enough to prevent that sort exploitation to a great degree.
Edited by: Ends on 20/07/2003 14:41:43
Edited by: Ends on 20/07/2003 14:43:41
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 14:49:00 -
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Drunken, indeed it was the case pre-patch, i dunno now.. But it would make it easier to investigate.
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