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Melea	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:29:00 - [211] Slightly offtopic, but: Has anyone else noticed that The Five have raised forum propaganda to a high art? It appears that whenever anything occurs that does not go their way, a veritable flood of people crawl out of the woodwork (like kicking over an anthill) to vomit forth their displeasure in front of all. I'm sorry if I just can't build any sympathy toward you guys, not that it matters. The same effect is interesting to watch in other contexts as well; it is used to give other players the impression that they are winning, and thus discourage the enemy from fighting. Yes, I'm an alt, and damned proud of it. Anyways, carry on!
Zigadenus	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:29:00 - [212] The bottom line here, which is what is causing so much bitter arguing and poleswinging, is that certain aspects of this game are not sufficiently developed enough to be made such integral parts of the game. POS are a perfect example and represent one of the worst (if not the worst) implementations in this game to me. A complicating factor is the far less than perfect response from the game's customer support in handling these issues. Although, to be fair, you couldn't pay me enough money to try and fill their shoes. Ya know, it's days like these that playing Eve reminds my of using that piece of crud called Windows Millenium Edition. There's no use in bickering with each other. What's really at the heart of this is not your in-game adversary's uber skills or complete lack thereof, but the people to whom you send your monthly fee to play. No ggz today tbh.
Rubn Tug	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:33:00 - [213] Originally by: Melea The same effect is interesting to watch in other contexts as well; it is used to give other players the impression that they are winning, and thus discourage the enemy from fighting. Well, if an enemy is going to give up that easy, they don't deserve the pleasure of a fight in-game. There is a heck of a lot of [5] on the forums tho. Still, no one should have to get bent over a barrel when the game doesn't work right - not even [5].
Rubn Tug	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:40:00 - [214] Edited by: Rubn Tug on 06/08/2005 02:40:40 blah
RickJamez	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:41:00 - [215] What did the [5] fingers say to the face?? SLAP!
TheFED	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:41:00 - [216] Edited by: TheFED on 06/08/2005 02:41:41 tbh the issue is you told like 150 player you wasted 6 hrs shooting a f.ucking pos we ruined your night go play some other game because I am a lame as junior gm with power har har har xetic ftw
Drilla	Posted - 2005.08.06 02:50:00 - [217] After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit. From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out). There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny. I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage. EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha)
slip66	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:01:00 - [218] Originally by: Coasterbrian Okay..... that is absolutely lame. If using drones to draw fire from a POS is an exploit, then shouldn't it be an exploit for doing the same thing to NPC rats? How bout it being an exploit to run a POS out of ammo, or starve it out, or remote rep it's damage, or heck, even kill it with anythign but a dreadnaught. CCP doesn't much like player creativity beyond what they planned anymore..... kind makes you wonder if you jump into a fleet with tons of drones out. Can you now petition it as a exploit since they increase lag ???
emptydude	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:04:00 - [219] Originally by: RickJamez What did the [5] fingers say to the face?? SLAP! cold blooooded -------- wannabe gangsta
Scott Le'Gault	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:32:00 - [220] Originally by: RickJamez What did the [5] fingers say to the face?? SLAP! **** man, you got five finers on your hand?

Scott Le'Gault	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:32:00 - [221] Originally by: Drakos its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol Its patheic you cant kill a pos without expoliting. GG XF!
Larsson7	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:34:00 - [222] Originally by: Scott Le'Gault Originally by: Drakos its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol Its patheic you cant kill a pos without expoliting. GG XF! Alts ftw \o/
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:38:00 - [223] Originally by: cordy Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Phoenix Pryde What really broke XFs neck was internal disagreement and corps leaving. Same reasons, well the only reasons any alliance (nearly) dies. What broke Xetic's neck was poor leadership. There was very little communication to the rank and file. Not once did I ever see the president or minister of defence or any official except for Conram in alliance chat trying to buck up the troops. Bad decisions, poor leadership and abysmal morale. There was more but a lot of Xetic's problems came from the top down. Anyway GL Xetic. Keep fighting. That shows how little you know with what happend :/ I was grunt. But Olyyy was in my corp and so was SJ Talsar so I'm a little more informed than you think. I also fought for Xetic until the day CLS and DDC split off. Fighting against MASS in Feyth and RA and Devil's Brigade in Omist. And I remember seeing how lost we seemed. How few true leaders there were in Xetic. How few people could actually motivate people and get things done. Xetic needed better leadership than it had. It's not just the fault of the leaders there were plentyu of people who decided to sit out the war and either hang in empire or npc. But there were plenty of people willing to fight if someone showed them a way to win.
Melea	Posted - 2005.08.06 03:45:00 - [224] Originally by: Drilla After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit. The question should be: Does CCP intend for the game mechanics to allow drones to both distract and lag POS defenses such that a fleet can more or less easily take out a fully armed, online, defended POS without the use of dreads, with minimal losses, and in a relatively short time? If they do, then this is not an abuse of game mechanics. If they do not, then it is. Quote: From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out). There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny. So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. Quote: I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage. It's "treason against the EVE playerbase"? Somehow, I doubt that.
nitr0s	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:01:00 - [225] Originally by: Melea Originally by: Drilla After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit. The question should be: Does CCP intend for the game mechanics to allow drones to both distract and lag POS defenses such that a fleet can more or less easily take out a fully armed, online, defended POS without the use of dreads, with minimal losses, and in a relatively short time? If they do, then this is not an abuse of game mechanics. If they do not, then it is. Quote: From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out). There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny. So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. Quote: I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage. It's "treason against the EVE playerbase"? Somehow, I doubt that. Guess what nubby, ONLY CCP can decide what is or isnt an exploit. Feel free to read the EULA.
Maasu	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:07:00 - [226] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes From what I heard some ships warped alone to POS at the beginning and died. 1 or 2 died like this. You lost what... 3 BSs in attacking a POS that was FULLY FITTED with defenses and had for 36 HOURS of strontium chlorates ?!???? You gotta be kidding me. This drone thing was a complete joke. I found it extremly unhealthy/ironic to have the [5] petitionning CCP for a lag they were voluntary creating ! The XF POS had EVERYTHING. I mean small guns, medium guns and large ones. And your 40 BSs fleet could take on it like a chainsaw on butter ? It was a joke. I mean, I really started to get **ed whne reinforced mode activated for 2 hours instead of 36... So now you can prepare thing as well as possible and it just doesn't change anything because a stupid bug gotta ** everything up ? This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again. Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode. We were organised and prepared to tank the damage, its quite fine we'll show u again and again until you run out of excuses for petitioning it. ATUK, The forlon hope of corps
Lorth	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:23:00 - [227] Originally by: Scott Le'Gault Originally by: Drakos its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol Its patheic you cant kill a pos without expoliting. GG XF! Just in summery of what was said by the GM, not an exact quote. [5]: When was this classifyed as an exploit? GM: A couple minutes ago. But, do you know what it truely pathetic here? The fact that in a vitual world, you are so cowardly that you need to hide the idenity of your fictional charactor, when making a statment against your enemy.
Zigadenus	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:34:00 - [228] Originally by: Melea So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. I think you missed the point. If it was an exploit, how come CCP has never moved itself to do anything about it (including identify it) until now? Where have they been during all of the other "exploited" POS assaults? In addition, the way this situation was handled left quite a bit to be desired. They write stupid logic into their POS guns and we lose a whole two days of work as a result. Not to mention the fact that a GM made the call on whether it was an exploit. It's stupid to argue over it. POS (and soveriegnty to boot) have been the source of so many headaches in Eve since the day they came out. How many threads have we seen lamenting their unpredictable behavior to be followed up by the same from the GMs? This is just more of the same. I mean, seriously, why even bother? If CCP want POS to be a major part of Eve, they need to eliminate all these problems before they make these concepts so significant in the game.
Melea	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:35:00 - [229] Originally by: nitr0s Originally by: Melea Originally by: Drilla After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit. The question should be: Does CCP intend for the game mechanics to allow drones to both distract and lag POS defenses such that a fleet can more or less easily take out a fully armed, online, defended POS without the use of dreads, with minimal losses, and in a relatively short time? If they do, then this is not an abuse of game mechanics. If they do not, then it is. Quote: From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out). There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny. So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. Quote: I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage. It's "treason against the EVE playerbase"? Somehow, I doubt that. Guess what nubby, ONLY CCP can decide what is or isnt an exploit. Feel free to read the EULA. If you're talking to me, I would suggest that your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. Drilla feels that he is the one who should decide, and that the GM, as an agent of CCP, is wrong.
Melea	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:43:00 - [230] Originally by: Zigadenus Originally by: Melea So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. I think you missed the point. If it was an exploit, how come CCP has never moved itself to do anything about it (including identify it) until now? Where have they been during all of the other "exploited" POS assaults? In addition, the way this situation was handled left quite a bit to be desired. They write stupid logic into their POS guns and we lose a whole two days of work as a result. Not to mention the fact that a GM made the call on whether it was an exploit. It's stupid to argue over it. POS (and soveriegnty to boot) have been the source of so many headaches in Eve since the day they came out. How many threads have we seen lamenting their unpredictable behavior to be followed up by the same from the GMs? This is just more of the same. I mean, seriously, why even bother? If CCP want POS to be a major part of Eve, they need to eliminate all these problems before they make these concepts so significant in the game. I agree with you. When M.Corp took out 2 POS in GW that had become detached from their respective moons following the Cold War patch, that incident should have been taken care of in a similar fashion by the GM's/CCP as well. CCP, in my opinion, does need to fix game mechanics in regard to POS operation and defense, and to treat everyone fairly and consistently.

Lorth	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:48:00 - [231] I think anouther part of this whole ordeal, is that the POS in question had a significant role in the sovernty of the system. It wasn't your normal POS, as this one would have turned sovernty over to us (if the system worked correctly) thus influcancing the entire region. And more or less shutting down xetic, as thier only defence in the last 4 or five mounth has been a logistics one. Meaning they can set up and fuel POS's, which in turn gives them the hope that they may one day take the station. Though this has been ruined, as the work we put into securing the region, has been reversed. And its always nice to see the little xetic resistance squashed in a matter of a few hours.
Zigadenus	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:49:00 - [232] Originally by: Melea If you're talking to me, I would suggest that your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. Drilla feels that he is the one who should decide, and that the GM, as an agent of CCP, is wrong. Drilla's points are valid enough tbh, regardless of how you interpret the semantics of his post. I've been hearing a lot of people say that the GMs are not allowed to determine what is or is not an exploit.
Zigadenus	Posted - 2005.08.06 04:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Melea Originally by: Zigadenus Originally by: Melea So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow. I think you missed the point. If it was an exploit, how come CCP has never moved itself to do anything about it (including identify it) until now? Where have they been during all of the other "exploited" POS assaults? In addition, the way this situation was handled left quite a bit to be desired. They write stupid logic into their POS guns and we lose a whole two days of work as a result. Not to mention the fact that a GM made the call on whether it was an exploit. It's stupid to argue over it. POS (and soveriegnty to boot) have been the source of so many headaches in Eve since the day they came out. How many threads have we seen lamenting their unpredictable behavior to be followed up by the same from the GMs? This is just more of the same. I mean, seriously, why even bother? If CCP want POS to be a major part of Eve, they need to eliminate all these problems before they make these concepts so significant in the game. I agree with you. When M.Corp took out 2 POS in GW that had become detached from their respective moons following the Cold War patch, that incident should have been taken care of in a similar fashion by the GM's/CCP as well. CCP, in my opinion, does need to fix game mechanics in regard to POS operation and defense, and to treat everyone fairly and consistently. See, that's just jacked. I don't see why so many ppl are flaming each other over this when the more likely culprit is the one you fund with your monthly fee.
Logan Williams	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:04:00 - [234] Originally by: 0Virtu0 I think my only response in this new change in event can be: Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha Signed!
Obidios	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:09:00 - [235] Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: 0Virtu0 I think my only response in this new change in event can be: Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha Signed! Sign it and bring a force dowm to wtfpwn us. I'd find that novel, at least xetic had the balls to warp in and try to fight us today, unlike these forum players alt or not. -----------------
F'nog	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:21:00 - [236] Wow, this is total BS. I guess a lot of NPCers need to be banned for using drones as exploits too. Moros for the ban! Originally by: Morela "hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:36:00 - [237] And I'm Gallente too. I feel shafted.

Abdalion	Posted - 2005.08.06 05:41:00 - [238] Off topic, and discussing potential exploiting and petitions. Click. -- I ♥ You.... ®



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