Originally by: Nafri

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basicly I was first, but Im not a spammer



and I send grats to a good friend of mine for a major job

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Nafri

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basicly I was first, but Im not a spammer



and I send grats to a good friend of mine for a major job

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Could u send me also a sig ?

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Originally by: Daniel Jackson

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PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE,
I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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the last XF stand

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Originally by: Maasu

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The easy part was catching us off guard and taking it.

The hard part is keeping it ;)

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Originally by: Vina

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Wow, a whole 35 pilots. GG.

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Originally by: Josiah Bartlet

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Originally by: Vina

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Wow, a whole 35 pilots. GG.

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Almost enough to crash the server.

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Originally by: Maasu

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The easy part was catching us off guard and taking it.

The hard part is keeping it

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Originally by: Panshin Bolo

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Whaaw momma! Don't you 5 guys have an alliance channel, u can chat eachother up in?

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Originally by: Nafri

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When you set the ammount of 5 posts here with the ammount of annyment euqal, Elenia really ****ed 5 off


but thats all math, and I suck in math

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Originally by: Nafri

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When you set the ammount of 5 posts here with the ammount of annyment euqal, Elenia really ****ed 5 off


but thats all math, and I suck in math

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Originally by: Lorth

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Originally by: Nafri

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When you set the ammount of 5 posts here with the ammount of annyment euqal, Elenia really ****ed 5 off


but thats all math, and I suck in math

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Actually only one of the posts here could be considered a flame. Lets hope that wqe have some fun times.

Just so I know, why does xetic continue to try and take tenni? Its 74 jumps from anywhere, and as far as mining its only sub par. Surely, we own some regions that could be better.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Nice region ! We'll take it j/k

But I could give you a beginning of answer you won't like: it was far away from anything, we thought it would **** you off to have to move troops there

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Originally by: Nervar

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Nafri

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basicly I was first, but Im not a spammer



and I send grats to a good friend of mine for a major job

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Could u send me also a sig ?

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Want a forum ban? then nafri is the man to speak with

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Originally by: Maasu

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The easy part was catching us off guard and taking it.

The hard part is keeping it ;)

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Originally by: Komassa

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Xetic, Foundation (VIRII),

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Originally by: Guderian

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Edited by: Guderian on 05/08/2005 07:38:25
Let me get this straight:

Two alliances (RA and Foundation) plus friends plus whatever is left of XETIC, planned an operation for several weeks to take back one (1) station deep in one (1) region, are cheering because they caught a corp on a mining op and were able to take the station. Furthermore the two alliances plus friends plus XETIC are now planning a joint op to hold that one (1) station for a long time.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Guderian

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Edited by: Guderian on 05/08/2005 07:38:25
Let me get this straight:

Two alliances (RA and Foundation) plus friends plus whatever is left of XETIC, planned an operation for several weeks to take back one (1) station deep in one (1) region, are cheering because they caught a corp on a mining op and were able to take the station. Furthermore the two alliances plus friends plus XETIC are now planning a joint op to hold that one (1) station for a long time.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Morela

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"hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"

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Originally by: F'nog

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but it's not the sort of strategic win that can break, or even really hurt an alliance. It may give your corps a great morale boost, which is always good, but unless you can hold onto it, it's not really a true victory at all. Given the effort that had to go into it, it actually doesn't amount to much.

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Originally by: FalloutBoy

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if its true suppremacy had 3 pos claiming soveriegnty they should jsut pettion it and ccp will prolly give the station back since its a bug :P

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Originally by: LoxyRider

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Well done then. I was having diner at the time but heard the news on ts.

JV1 is an odd system only having 4 moons, from what i hear its been a problem for Suprem with secure containers at those moons, various bugs, usual station problems. I have to give credit where its due to XF and so on for organising this neat little op and catching us off our guard.

However as others have pointed out this from a strategic point was... well pointless. We will see how the pos situation is, if worse comes to worse we have to wait for our dreads to be delievered.

Olyyy and XT, a nice last stand but i hope you see when we have that station back that XF is dead, it died a fine death to superior military power. Dont let it be remembered as a small force worth nothing.

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Originally by: Guderian

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Edited by: Guderian on 05/08/2005 07:38:25
Let me get this straight:

Two alliances (RA and Foundation) plus friends plus whatever is left of XETIC, planned an operation for several weeks to take back one (1) station deep in one (1) region, are cheering because they caught a corp on a mining op and were able to take the station. Furthermore the two alliances plus friends plus XETIC are now planning a joint op to hold that one (1) station for a long time.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Griseus

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GMs won't give them back anything because it was the way 5 invaded Cache and WC. Now there is massive sovereignty BUG and GM's can't do anything with it. They decided do not interfere in that, and i think this remains untill next patch (who knows then it will be)

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Originally by: Cmdr Patrick

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Originally by: Guderian

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Edited by: Guderian on 05/08/2005 07:38:25
Let me get this straight:

Two alliances (RA and Foundation) plus friends plus whatever is left of XETIC, planned an operation for several weeks to take back one (1) station deep in one (1) region, are cheering because they caught a corp on a mining op and were able to take the station. Furthermore the two alliances plus friends plus XETIC are now planning a joint op to hold that one (1) station for a long time.

Gotcha.

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Maybe a measly (1) loss for the 5 but it was a big (11111) win for xetic.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Guderian

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Originally by: Griseus

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GMs won't give them back anything because it was the way 5 invaded Cache and WC. Now there is massive sovereignty BUG and GM's can't do anything with it. They decided do not interfere in that, and i think this remains untill next patch (who knows then it will be)

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So the, by RA, claimed GM's/dev's in [5] can't help us? Damnit, I guess it's another weekend of shooting stations then, while I could have been mining veldspar.

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Originally by: Tansien

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Yes this turn of events is most unfortunate.

*does the no-mining op dance* *\o/*

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Originally by: Zzazzt

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Now say thank-you

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Originally by: Jhodas

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Xetic have merely backed themselves into a corner and are waiting to be bbqd.

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Someone was caught with pants down...

I've also heard rumors that ATUK kicked members that didn't want to participate in mining

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Originally by: LUKEC

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I've also heard rumors that ATUK kicked members that didn't want to participate in mining

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 05/08/2005 11:29:37

Originally by: Zzazzt

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Now say thank-you

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thanks !

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Originally by: LoxyRider

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Well done then. I was having diner at the time but heard the news on ts.

JV1 is an odd system only having 4 moons, from what i hear its been a problem for Suprem with secure containers at those moons, various bugs, usual station problems. I have to give credit where its due to XF and so on for organising this neat little op and catching us off our guard.

However as others have pointed out this from a strategic point was... well pointless. We will see how the pos situation is, if worse comes to worse we have to wait for our dreads to be delievered.

Olyyy and XT, a nice last stand but i hope you see when we have that station back that XF is dead, it died a fine death to superior military power. Dont let it be remembered as a small force worth nothing.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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I don't think this operation was pointless at all on a strategic level
Afterall... how much already ? somebody said 30 billions of [5] assets stuck in station. Well I guess it ain't bad

Although this might just be temporary, I'd say it was worth the effort and it's more than just some Alliance PR.
We chose the right target and attacked at the right time. We did actually hurt the [5]. It won't kill them, but it will annoy them.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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And there is also the funny part of the story... How can an alliance which died approx a dozen of times according to all the statements you made get so many ships in one place and do such damages to the invincible [5] ? =] *cough*

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Oh and one last thing Loxy: the XF lost all its stations about 3 months ago. It regained one from time to time to reloose it afterwards. Even if you manage to retake jv1v-0 someday it wouldn't mean you won and XF finaly died.

Be sure of one thing tho: whatever happens and XF or not I won't stop fighting the [5] until you get out from Tenerifis

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Be sure of one thing tho: whatever happens and XF or not I won't stop fighting the [5] until you get out from Tenerifis

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Originally by: LoxyRider

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So be it. You cant completly destroy an alliance and if XF wants to hang on to past impressions of glory continue as you are. But any ideas of actually getting Tenerifis back are nothing but delusions.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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And there is also the funny part of the story... How can an alliance which died approx a dozen of times according to all the statements you made get so many ships in one place and do such damages to the invincible [5] ? =] *cough*
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Originally by: FalloutBoy

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if its true suppremacy had 3 pos claiming soveriegnty they should jsut pettion it and ccp will prolly give the station back since its a bug :P

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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They stayed, and chose to fight. Maybe not as vicious as some pvp corps or alliances would, maybe they need more planning time, and maybe they have a lot more losses. Nevertheless they do fight for their space, for their ideals. And that deserves at least some respect i would say.

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Originally by: KissMyBoots

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Edited by: KissMyBoots on 05/08/2005 14:47:21
Well done whoever was involved ...it has made heartening reading, Luke skywalker taking down a death star comes to mind...although the evil empire vowed they would destroy the rebels and threatened everyone with their plans for lethal weapons to crush alliance opposition lol...this sound like the ebil [5] alliance to anyone?

Originally by: FalloutBoy

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if its true suppremacy had 3 pos claiming soveriegnty they should jsut pettion it and ccp will prolly give the station back since its a bug :P

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I think you mis-read the statement from 5.2s official forums...XETIC had 3 POS's (not 5), which goes to demonstrate that the real "victory" is the dispelling of myths:

1. That [5] control their occupied areas...as somehow XETIC managed to set up, supply and maintain 3 POS's next to a [5] station where their had been over 40 active pilots for several weeks...this is a greater achievement than firing guns and taking a station

2. That as XETIC managed to do this the claims that the uber [5] pvp alliance (5) killed off the ultimate carebear alliance (XETIC)may have been a bit premature

3. That [5] aren't loveable carebears at heart really who even blob roid belts with 40 ship mining parties

4. That [5] always "jump in" as they did not on this occasion, as their relief force (mostly frigates class ships), DID not engage and the operation sustained zero losses

5. That [5]'s uber spy network (which we are led to believe knows what we all eat for breakfast), didn't seem to pick up on a 100 ship operation planned for weeks...or maybe they did and let it happen to motivate their bored PvP'rs to seek "vengeance"?

...ooo and watch out of claims that they are "kicking" people for not mining, thats the cover story for getting their members into target corps and alliances

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Originally by: KissMyBoots

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Edited by: KissMyBoots on 05/08/2005 14:47:21
Well done whoever was involved ...it

...ooo target corps and alliances

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Originally by: KissMyBoots

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Edited by: KissMyBoots on 05/08/2005 14:47:21
Well done whoever was involved ...it has made heartening reading, Luke skywalker taking down a death star comes to mind...although the evil empire vowed they would destroy the rebels and threatened everyone with their plans for lethal weapons to crush alliance opposition lol...this sound like the ebil [5] alliance to anyone?

Originally by: FalloutBoy

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if its true suppremacy had 3 pos claiming soveriegnty they should jsut pettion it and ccp will prolly give the station back since its a bug :P

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I think you mis-read the statement from 5.2s official forums...XETIC had 3 POS's (not 5), which goes to demonstrate that the real "victory" is the dispelling of myths:

1. That [5] control their occupied areas...as somehow XETIC managed to set up, supply and maintain 3 POS's next to a [5] station where their had been over 40 active pilots for several weeks...this is a greater achievement than firing guns and taking a station

2. That as XETIC managed to do this the claims that the uber [5] pvp alliance (5) killed off the ultimate carebear alliance (XETIC)may have been a bit premature

3. That [5] aren't loveable carebears at heart really who even blob roid belts with 40 ship mining parties

4. That [5] always "jump in" as they did not on this occasion, as their relief force (mostly frigates class ships), DID not engage and the operation sustained zero losses

5. That [5]'s uber spy network (which we are led to believe knows what we all eat for breakfast), didn't seem to pick up on a 100 ship operation planned for weeks...or maybe they did and let it happen to motivate their bored PvP'rs to seek "vengeance"?

...ooo and watch out of claims that they are "kicking" people for not mining, thats the cover story for getting their members into target corps and alliances

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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I think what has happened is surely a chapter of utmost importance in Eve's history. After all 3 alliances managed to get 90 ships together and take ONE station with a messed up sovreignty situation. So props for that

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Originally by: Tholarim

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I don't care. The killing is on. And i'll make damn sure the alliances in question are dead before i turn around again this time.

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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The sovreignty issue has been a pain in the arse for a while now and as Sengh says above me matters have been raised with CCP only for our suspiscions to be raised higher by their actions and subsequent Xetic actions. Of course to even suggest anything that has been suggested on our teamspeak here would invite a ban and ridicule on the forums so hey lets not go there but suffice to say there are many unhappy Supremacy members but of course if we say anything it looks like sour grapes.

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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What really broke XFs neck was internal disagreement and corps leaving. Same reasons, well the only reasons any alliance (nearly) dies.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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The sovreignty issue has been a pain in the arse for a while now and as Sengh says above me matters have been raised with CCP only for our suspiscions to be raised higher by their actions and subsequent Xetic actions. Of course to even suggest anything that has been suggested on our teamspeak here would invite a ban and ridicule on the forums so hey lets not go there but suffice to say there are many unhappy Supremacy members but of course if we say anything it looks like sour grapes.

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it's thanks to my GM account I bought on ebay mmkay ?
Otherwise, when I noticed the 2 moons were locked I remember that in the past a pilot from Omega Corp (yes, Supremacy's daddy ) got stuck in the Amarr championship arena which was in jv1 and petitionned it to get it removed (in fact he simply got killed there by a Xetic ship and found necessary to find an explaination to this unlikly event). GMs removed the arena (in fact moved it).
So thanks to Omega Corp I knew it was possible to petition to get the moons cleared
Since XF are quite fair game (in fact busy elsewhere), we waited 3 days before setting up our own POSs, Supremacy had 3 days to do whatever they wanted, which they didn't

Finaly we also waited several days before attacking jv1 in order to make sure the sovereignty ain't too bugged which gave ATUK and supremacy a LOT of time to move their stuff. But they didn't.

ATUK and Supremacy got overconfident. Happens

I'm sure u'll come back with dreads to clean the area yes, and then make a nice fluffy post about your final victory (yes, another final victory *cough*). But well, we've got some time before you get your dread built Enough time to invite some exotic dancers and finish the stocks of cookies and Quafe ultra you left in the station

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Enough time to invite some exotic dancers and finish the stocks of cookies and Quafe ultra you left in the station

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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The sovreignty issue has been a pain in the arse for a while now and as Sengh says above me matters have been raised with CCP only for our suspiscions to be raised higher by their actions and subsequent Xetic actions. Of course to even suggest anything that has been suggested on our teamspeak here would invite a ban and ridicule on the forums so hey lets not go there but suffice to say there are many unhappy Supremacy members but of course if we say anything it looks like sour grapes.

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it's thanks to my GM account I bought on ebay mmkay ?
Otherwise, when I noticed the 2 moons were locked I remember that in the past a pilot from Omega Corp (yes, Supremacy's daddy ) got stuck in the Amarr championship arena which was in jv1 and petitionned it to get it removed (in fact he simply got killed there by a Xetic ship and found necessary to find an explaination to this unlikly event). GMs removed the arena (in fact moved it).
So thanks to Omega Corp I knew it was possible to petition to get the moons cleared
Since XF are quite fair game (in fact busy elsewhere), we waited 3 days before setting up our own POSs, Supremacy had 3 days to do whatever they wanted, which they didn't

Finaly we also waited several days before attacking jv1 in order to make sure the sovereignty ain't too bugged which gave ATUK and supremacy a LOT of time to move their stuff. But they didn't.

ATUK and Supremacy got overconfident. Happens

I'm sure u'll come back with dreads to clean the area yes, and then make a nice fluffy post about your final victory (yes, another final victory *cough*). But well, we've got some time before you get your dread built Enough time to invite some exotic dancers and finish the stocks of cookies and Quafe ultra you left in the station

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Originally by: Liet Traep

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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What really broke XFs neck was internal disagreement and corps leaving. Same reasons, well the only reasons any alliance (nearly) dies.

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What broke Xetic's neck was poor leadership. There was very little communication to the rank and file. Not once did I ever see the president or minister of defence or any official except for Conram in alliance chat trying to buck up the troops. Bad decisions, poor leadership and abysmal morale. There was more but a lot of Xetic's problems came from the top down. Anyway GL Xetic. Keep fighting.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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Originally by: KissMyBoots

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Edited by: KissMyBoots on 05/08/2005 14:47:21
Well done whoever was involved ...it

...ooo target corps and alliances

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HI MR. ALT!!! Can someone check his corp, I am at work and can't play atm. I smell alt troll all the way from here. Good show man, I bet you had all that bottled up inside for sometime now. Its good to release that hate once in awhile.

Feel better now?

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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I'm not sure it's a good idea to bring that topic back from death cordy

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Originally by: slothe

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Originally by: Tholarim

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I don't care. The killing is on. And i'll make damn sure the alliances in question are dead before i turn around again this time.

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butbutbut, they already are dead mmmkayyy

talk about flogging a dead horse

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Originally by: Tiberius Caesar

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Couldnt bother reading the same XFish crap after bage three. Olyyy's always been a clueless asshat.

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Originally by: Ast2610

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Tbh i saw this post and thought id have a read then a saw it was by olly and realised it would be just a load of dribble from a guy that cant go by a week without proclaimin " my alliance isnt dead, I promise"
afterall thats all this is i mean lets face it how many ppl are actually in xetic now??
Well i know for sure that theres 10regulars in xt and thats it. U proclaim ureselves uber for sittin inside fishbowls for and month and then hirin foundation and those tech 1 monkey mercs to come down to tenerifis and shoot our station whilst suprm arnt even there, congrats u are soo uberr. Soo now that u have the station what is ure next move maybe go retake another? then go and hie inside ure pos and let us take them back. What a f***ing joke, the reason everyone says ure dead is beacuse fu are dead u have no-one willing to fight for you unless u pay them, theres only 1 word for that im afraid pathetic.
And whats this about "Although I'm not part of the XF, this is an official Press Release " whats the matter xetic not got the balls to post themselves maybe?? like Thol said ure already dead ure just throwin ure cash away to make ppl think ure alive.

Ast2610
Suprm director

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Originally by: SengH

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excuse him... alot of Supremacy are VERY angry at the GMs atm... due to their actions.

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Originally by: Lance Starstriker

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Watch closely how these words will turn on you when your invincible [5] alliance dies hopelessly due to its own ego.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 05/08/2005 11:29:37

Originally by: Zzazzt

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Now say thank-you

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thanks !

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Originally by: Cadman Weyland

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Dammit Slothe, i knew we didnt have enough Fan Boys or NAPS.... let alone wcs

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Originally by: Randorial

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Originally by: Cadman Weyland

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Dammit Slothe, i knew we didnt have enough Fan Boys or NAPS.... let alone wcs

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Neither of the above. You don't have enough balls.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edited by: Saladin on 05/08/2005 18:50:01
Oh look its Mr Nappy talking. Is there anyone in the south you are not nuetral towards?

Its nice to throw the NAP ball that around Darkrayder/Lord Draco/Martin Duporres (deleted)/Vince Draken or whatever alt you are posting with this week.

VIRII operates in the south. Our only naps are with people who are not napped with the 5. Your nap list is easily 2-3 times ours. You enjoy the piece and quiet so you can manage all your POS and conduct your mining ops. Enjoy it, just don't accuse others of long NAP lists. Karl Rove would have been proud of you.

I am certain the regular Bob and [5] forum warrioers will flame this post, take it apart bit by bit, flame it, accuse me of jealousy, and no doubt make a few jesse helmes-like comments. Rest assured I won't be reading it.

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Originally by: Tiberius Caesar

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Couldnt bother reading the same XFish crap after bage three. Olyyy's always been a clueless asshat.

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Originally by: Ast2610

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Tbh i saw this post and thought id have a read then a saw it was by olly and realised it would be just a load of dribble from a guy that cant go by a week without proclaimin " my alliance isnt dead, I promise"
afterall thats all this is i mean lets face it how many ppl are actually in xetic now??
Well i know for sure that theres 10regulars in xt and thats it. U proclaim ureselves uber for sittin inside fishbowls for and month and then hirin foundation and those tech 1 monkey mercs to come down to tenerifis and shoot our station whilst suprm arnt even there, congrats u are soo uberr. Soo now that u have the station what is ure next move maybe go retake another? then go and hie inside ure pos and let us take them back. What a f***ing joke, the reason everyone says ure dead is beacuse fu are dead u have no-one willing to fight for you unless u pay them, theres only 1 word for that im afraid pathetic.
And whats this about "Although I'm not part of the XF, this is an official Press Release " whats the matter xetic not got the balls to post themselves maybe?? like Thol said ure already dead ure just throwin ure cash away to make ppl think ure alive.

Ast2610
Suprm director

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Originally by: Darkrydar

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God you became a ******* joke Jacque. Could you be any more bitter? I feel sorry for you now tbh.

Admit it, you hate the troops.

And no, we're not neutral to anyone in 0.0.

Btw, I though you should know most of SNRA was happy when you quit as most didnt like you anyway, including the mangement team. I was the lone person sticking up for you.

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Originally by: Randorial

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Originally by: Cadman Weyland

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Dammit Slothe, i knew we didnt have enough Fan Boys or NAPS.... let alone wcs

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Neither of the above. You don't have enough balls.

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Originally by: Jherek Cornelian

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Originally by: Randorial

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Originally by: Cadman Weyland

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Dammit Slothe, i knew we didnt have enough Fan Boys or NAPS.... let alone wcs

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Neither of the above. You don't have enough balls.

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lol its comes to something when ppl wont even post with their mains against us. Bob and 5 I can almost understand but really we are hardly a 1000 man pvp allaince.

its difficult to look hard behind a computer matey its also difficult to look hard riding a peddle and pop in ibiza with flip flops, beleive me I tried both

/me goes back to pub

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Originally by: Ast2610

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Tbh i saw this post and thought id have a read then a saw it was by olly and realised it would be just a load of dribble from a guy that cant go by a week without proclaimin " my alliance isnt dead, I promise"
afterall thats all this is i mean lets face it how many ppl are actually in xetic now??
Well i know for sure that theres 10regulars in xt and thats it. U proclaim ureselves uber for sittin inside fishbowls for and month and then hirin foundation and those tech 1 monkey mercs to come down to tenerifis and shoot our station whilst suprm arnt even there, congrats u are soo uberr. Soo now that u have the station what is ure next move maybe go retake another? then go and hie inside ure pos and let us take them back. What a f***ing joke, the reason everyone says ure dead is beacuse fu are dead u have no-one willing to fight for you unless u pay them, theres only 1 word for that im afraid pathetic.
And whats this about "Although I'm not part of the XF, this is an official Press Release " whats the matter xetic not got the balls to post themselves maybe?? like Thol said ure already dead ure just throwin ure cash away to make ppl think ure alive.

Ast2610
Suprm director

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Originally by: Tholarim

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And that'll be alliance number...? that millemium has been in and died? You should be an expert on that now.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Actually LD plenty of people left SNRA after that and said that had big problems with you and Nebba.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edited by: Saladin on 05/08/2005 20:51:37
blah blah BLAH BLAH.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edited by: Saladin on 05/08/2005 20:51:37
blah blah BLAH BLAH.

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WARP CORE STABS FOR THE WIN!!!!

yA, thought so.. See the sig?

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I'll describe how the [5] are trying to take over one of the POSs atm:
-ships are tanked, come to POS and all launch drones !
-POS gets lagged so bad it fires every 5 minutes, and half of the time on drones
-lag is so bad it takes 5+ minutes to log in system

You would have gained my respect by using some tactics with shield/armor transfer, the drones are just soooo lame ^^

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Originally by: slothe

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it was a well planned operation, well executed, and prepared for. its going to take you guys a long time to get that station back.

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Originally by: Fangdango

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Oilly/Elenia Moin

DO plz be quiet child'
We were using shield and armour reps
We were also using somthing u know nothing about, that is superior tactics.
We dont call in a GM everytime we lose.
Now plz go to bed its wayyyyyyyy!!!! past ur bedtime

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 05/08/2005 21:18:23
the reality is we came, we saw, we pwned. forgive us for indulging in this priviledge, because it was that, a priviledge. we caught you with your pants down, this much is true.

But allow us our moment of triumph because that was what it was, a moment. We have to have these moments, because thats what lifes about. moments of clarity, of satisfaction, where we can take a moment away from the general sh1t in our lives and think "that was worth it". and thats what its about. you guys may have those moments more than us, but because of that those moments are worth less to you than there worth to us. so let us have those moments, because, lets face it, there more satisfying to us than you.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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I'll describe how the [5] are trying to take over one of the POSs atm:
-ships are tanked, come to POS and all launch drones !
-POS gets lagged so bad it fires every 5 minutes, and half of the time on drones
-lag is so bad it takes 5+ minutes to log in system

You would have gained my respect by using some tactics with shield/armor transfer, the drones are just soooo lame ^^

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Fangdango

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Oilly/Elenia Moin

DO plz be quiet child'
We were using shield and armour reps
We were also using somthing u know nothing about, that is superior tactics.
We dont call in a GM everytime we lose.
Now plz go to bed its wayyyyyyyy!!!! past ur bedtime

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stop being a joke fang, last time you killed a small POS sniping it from 155km because you found that due to a bug sentries weren't firing that far
now you're using drones to complete your lame tactics.
You wouldn't be able to do **** with your armor repairers imo without drones. ;p

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 05/08/2005 21:18:23
the reality is we came, we saw, we pwned. forgive us for indulging in this priviledge, because it was that, a priviledge. we caught you with your pants down, this much is true.

But allow us our moment of triumph because that was what it was, a moment. We have to have these moments, because thats what lifes about. moments of clarity, of satisfaction, where we can take a moment away from the general sh1t in our lives and think "that was worth it". and thats what its about. you guys may have those moments more than us, but because of that those moments are worth less to you than there worth to us. so let us have those moments, because, lets face it, there more satisfying to us than you.

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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LOL...i can't believe this. I was out with a corpmate and RL friend yesterday (actually,the one that got me into this game) and we were discussing the new POS and sovereignity issues. At some point we were thinking just that,how a smaller force could cause problems to a larger one through superior logistics instead of the traditional PvP approach.

This is a totally new approach to territorial control,especially if someone has some more members to enforce it with. Imagine 2 freighters with a strong convoy and good scouting coming to supply POS once or twice a month.You could leave a hauling alt logged off in system,dump all the fuel from the freighter in one POS and move it to the rest with the hauling alt.Dreads will make this more challenging,all in all more variety and new things to consider in the game,which can't be bad.

In general,nice move by XF,i just wish there was such stubborness in the alliance when we were part of it and getting constantly outblobbed in immensea.

It may not last,but it sure is a nice way to spend any surplus money. ****ing off enemies is always cool
You can just disregard any comments about it being strategically useless,it's true but i'm sure it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside that you caught them with their pants down.Plus the flames are funny

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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Edited by: Amthrianius on 05/08/2005 23:12:29
Oh come on olyyy don't be bitter. We did NOT Exploit. We went to the pos with remote reps on and some other skrits and launched drones (mostly light) to draw the fire of the guns from us, whilst we worked together repping eachother despite the lag and yes we lost a couple of bs but thats to be expected taking on a pos with 2 large 8 medium and 2 small arties on, not to mention the warp disruption and stasis webification batteries.

Just because you used FSA's trust to decieve people and got kicked, dont be bitter, if anything respect us for doing something i dont think many other people in eve would and thats kill the pos with all these guns and warp disruption at close range

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Originally by: Obidios

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what's going on now with the POS is total bull****. bias FTL

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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Originally by: Obidios

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what's going on now with the POS is total bull****. bias FTL

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Wait..... did I miss something?

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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Apparently we missed the note that using drones on a pos is an exploit............. and as such the xetic pos was given full health back

GM Guard ftl

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 05/08/2005 23:49:58

Originally by: Amthrianius

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Apparently we missed the note that using drones on a pos is an exploit............. and as such the xetic pos was given full health back

GM Guard ftl

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Oh and Skape, good thing there are built in filters to the forums otheriwse you might be in trouble.

edit: ah well. heh.

Are you seriously saying they gave the POS back full health?

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Originally by: Nervar

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You can swim as hard as you want 5, but fact of the matter launching a couple of million small drones with the inntent to lagg and yes exploit weakneses inn game mechanics is against the eula.

The Gm has spoken and you got slapped on the wrist

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Originally by: Skape Gote

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I love you troop. wheres my invite to MC?

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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heh i think its funny that using drones on a pos is an exploit but the Moros has a huge drone bay and +5 drones controlled per level and dreads are only meant for anti-pos :S

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Ah yes, P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C that's what you dip****s are.

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Originally by: Trooper B99

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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 06/08/2005 00:21:49


Okay, well, sounds like a bit of a mess all in all. All i can say guys are 3 things.

1) Petition and have a [5] rep contact kieron via e-mail at [email protected]. Might be worth seeing if any are on irc tomorrow and have a chat as well so you can get the full story for yourselves and everyone else thinking of hitting POS.

2)Don't post while angry, get an early night, sounds like an immediatley unfixable problem.

3)Knock out Skape.

nn o/

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Originally by: Lance Starstriker

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Effort? Skill?

FFS you're just launching 100,000 light drones to lag the system out and get an easy evening. Of course it's perfectly fair to do so! Very skillfull too, I must admit. Right click drones in bay and click launch. I'd shiver in terror even thinking of meeting you in a Bantam.

Now, I remember this incident at M-M a few weeks ago...

Did I mention almost all [5] ships have been reimbursed an NONE of the Fnd/UK ships have? Thought so.

Geez you guys are so f-cking full of yourself it's not even funny anymore. What was that word again ........ I saw it a couple of times from the more enlightened forum warriors... Ah yes, P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C that's what you dip****s are.

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Originally by: Bazman

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Drones have been used against POS' ever since they first came into the game, we've used them before and they did damage stations and pos, they did infact add a significant amount of damage. No-one intended any exploits, hell no-one even knew that large guns are bugged against drones.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Originally by: Bazman

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Drones have been used against POS' ever since they first came into the game, we've used them before and they did damage stations and pos, they did infact add a significant amount of damage. No-one intended any exploits, hell no-one even knew that large guns are bugged against drones.

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if you wanted to do dmg with your drones, u'd be using large ones. Stop kidding plz ^^

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 06/08/2005 00:24:04
I'm going to specify:

-edited: I won't describe an exploit
-8/9 drones per ship, replaced when shot down. Drones were not able to shoot POS (so were not used as a weapon) but were used only to take fire.
-to summarize, this tactic permitted to avoid getting shot by POS.
-you could with a small fleet take over any POS without any risk (weeee Dominix ftw !)

Consequence: Dreadnough = USELESS.





This tactic had also a side effect: terrible lag

It was a stupid idea and it was lame. And all this to retake a station that had no strategic interest heh ?

and finaly, XF POS was bugged: it was using 1.5 days of strontiums in 2 hours ^^


Oh and I forgot: the [5] are the ones who called the GM =^.^= (they were complaining about the lag they had created)

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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I remember when target painters first got introduced to the game,shinra took the e8 station in immensea by using tons of tech2 painters and drones in just 1-2 hours with a 28 ship fleet.It was the first time i saw so many typhoons instead of tempests in a fleet(there was no lag as the "effects off" command was introduced in that patch along with painters). People in XF petitioned it and nothing happened,although painters were subsequently considered overpowered and got nerfed.

Stuff like that happens and is to be expected in a game like EvE,where there are so much different variables to balance,not to mention the bugs that will surface every now and then.

NBSI suffered from a series of issues when taking down Xelas POS's in v7-mid recently.Stations would re-enter reinforced mode as soon as the timer expired and GM's weren't able to determine if it was an exploit (where they would take them off reinforced mode) or just a bug,so we had to keep people logged on for ages,just to see when we would eventually be able to shoot them.

If you use different stacks of strodium (which is an exploit afaik),this happens.However,having sovereignity (Xelas did at that point) reduces the amount of fuel required. The GM's couldn't tell if Xelas deliberately used different stacks,or the fuel bonus resulted in leftover stacks of strodium,hence a new reinforced cycle.In the end,we had to wait 1-2 days more untill all the fuel ran out.

Generally,POS's are having lots of issues,it's not worth risking a ban by insulting CCP employees over this. Sure,you got the shaft,others did too though.No big deal imo.

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Organizing a fleet to take out a POS - 2 hours

Manwork and ammunition to execute the operation - 4 hours and 27,233,011.00 ISK

Seeing all the effort get rendered useless by outside intervention - Priceless!

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Originally by: Stormfront

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Ah yes, P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C that's what you dip****s are.

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Brilliant response. Nice time to get a forum ban for silly alts

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Originally by: Obidios

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someone didnt come nerf target painters on the spot, or fix anything else within 5 minutes, they let it ride found possible problem and fixed it, not reverse and change the game in 5 minutes.

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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I remember when target painters first got introduced to the game,shinra took the e8 station in immensea by using tons of tech2 painters and drones in just 1-2 hours with a 28 ship fleet.It was the first time i saw so many typhoons instead of tempests in a fleet(there was no lag as the "effects off" command was introduced in that patch along with painters). People in XF petitioned it and nothing happened,although painters were subsequently considered overpowered and got nerfed.

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Originally by: Lorth

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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am

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I remember when target painters first got introduced to the game,shinra took the e8 station in immensea by using tons of tech2 painters and drones in just 1-2 hours with a 28 ship fleet.It was the first time i saw so many typhoons instead of tempests in a fleet(there was no lag as the "effects off" command was introduced in that patch along with painters). People in XF petitioned it and nothing happened,although painters were subsequently considered overpowered and got nerfed.

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Hi in regards to this incident, and actually several others that have been posted by xetic in the past... We did not have a lot of painters on the station. I was there for more or less every station taking that xetic complained about, and at no time where there painters used in excess. And if you do the math, 28 ships, doing only 250dps each, can take a station in a couple hours.

As for the POS in the factory system (the one mounths ago, and nearest to the refine station) there was a GM onsite during the opperation. I'm certain that if he saw an exploit, or a bug he would have stoped the opp.

As it stands right now, I wouldn't blame my allience mates for being rather pee'd at the whole ordeal. Who would have guessed that in a million years that using drones to draw fire wold be considered an exploit. And yes, we did lose ships to the sentry guns fireing on us.

Guess I'll have to remember the drones next time someone jammes me and launches drones to prevent FOF's.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again.
Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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From what I heard some ships warped alone to POS at the beginning and died. 1 or 2 died like this.

You lost what... 3 BSs in attacking a POS that was FULLY FITTED with defenses and had for 36 HOURS of strontium chlorates ?!????
You gotta be kidding me. This drone thing was a complete joke. I found it extremly unhealthy/ironic to have the [5] petitionning CCP for a lag they were voluntary creating !
The XF POS had EVERYTHING. I mean small guns, medium guns and large ones. And your 40 BSs fleet could take on it like a chainsaw on butter ? It was a joke.

I mean, I really started to get ****ed whne reinforced mode activated for 2 hours instead of 36... So now you can prepare thing as well as possible and it just doesn't change anything because a stupid bug gotta **** everything up ?


This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again.
Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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From what I heard some ships warped alone to POS at the beginning and died. 1 or 2 died like this.

You lost what... 3 BSs in attacking a POS that was FULLY FITTED with defenses and had for 36 HOURS of strontium chlorates ?!????
You gotta be kidding me. This drone thing was a complete joke. I found it extremly unhealthy/ironic to have the [5] petitionning CCP for a lag they were voluntary creating !
The XF POS had EVERYTHING. I mean small guns, medium guns and large ones. And your 40 BSs fleet could take on it like a chainsaw on butter ? It was a joke.

I mean, I really started to get ****ed whne reinforced mode activated for 2 hours instead of 36... So now you can prepare thing as well as possible and it just doesn't change anything because a stupid bug gotta **** everything up ?


This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again.
Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode.

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Originally by: Emylia

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Last time when 5 came to crush Xetic they had bugged stations (shields up and down, not the target painter bug), now they have bugged POS`es ... how does this happens only to 5? Imo they should get out of curse more often

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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From what I heard some ships warped alone to POS at the beginning and died. 1 or 2 died like this.

You lost what... 3 BSs in attacking a POS that was FULLY FITTED with defenses and had for 36 HOURS of strontium chlorates ?!????
You gotta be kidding me. This drone thing was a complete joke. I found it extremly unhealthy/ironic to have the [5] petitionning CCP for a lag they were voluntary creating !
The XF POS had EVERYTHING. I mean small guns, medium guns and large ones. And your 40 BSs fleet could take on it like a chainsaw on butter ? It was a joke.

I mean, I really started to get ****ed whne reinforced mode activated for 2 hours instead of 36... So now you can prepare thing as well as possible and it just doesn't change anything because a stupid bug gotta **** everything up ?


This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again.
Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode.

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Originally by: Melea

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The same effect is interesting to watch in other contexts as well; it is used to give other players the impression that they are winning, and thus discourage the enemy from fighting.

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Originally by: Coasterbrian

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Okay..... that is absolutely lame. If using drones to draw fire from a POS is an exploit, then shouldn't it be an exploit for doing the same thing to NPC rats?


How bout it being an exploit to run a POS out of ammo, or starve it out, or remote rep it's damage, or heck, even kill it with anythign but a dreadnaught. CCP doesn't much like player creativity beyond what they planned anymore.....

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Originally by: RickJamez

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What did the [5] fingers say to the face??

SLAP!

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Originally by: RickJamez

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What did the [5] fingers say to the face??

SLAP!

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Originally by: Drakos

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its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol

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Originally by: Scott Le'Gault

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Originally by: Drakos

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its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol

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Its patheic you cant kill a pos without expoliting.

GG XF!

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Originally by: cordy

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Originally by: Liet Traep

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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde

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What really broke XFs neck was internal disagreement and corps leaving. Same reasons, well the only reasons any alliance (nearly) dies.

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What broke Xetic's neck was poor leadership. There was very little communication to the rank and file. Not once did I ever see the president or minister of defence or any official except for Conram in alliance chat trying to buck up the troops. Bad decisions, poor leadership and abysmal morale. There was more but a lot of Xetic's problems came from the top down. Anyway GL Xetic. Keep fighting.

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That shows how little you know with what happend :/

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Originally by: Drilla

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After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit.

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From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out).

There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny.

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I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage.

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Originally by: Melea

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Originally by: Drilla

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After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit.

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The question should be: Does CCP intend for the game mechanics to allow drones to both distract and lag POS defenses such that a fleet can more or less easily take out a fully armed, online, defended POS without the use of dreads, with minimal losses, and in a relatively short time? If they do, then this is not an abuse of game mechanics. If they do not, then it is.

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From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out).

There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny.

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So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow.

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I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage.

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It's "treason against the EVE playerbase"? Somehow, I doubt that.

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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes

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From what I heard some ships warped alone to POS at the beginning and died. 1 or 2 died like this.

You lost what... 3 BSs in attacking a POS that was FULLY FITTED with defenses and had for 36 HOURS of strontium chlorates ?!????
You gotta be kidding me. This drone thing was a complete joke. I found it extremly unhealthy/ironic to have the [5] petitionning CCP for a lag they were voluntary creating !
The XF POS had EVERYTHING. I mean small guns, medium guns and large ones. And your 40 BSs fleet could take on it like a chainsaw on butter ? It was a joke.

I mean, I really started to get ****ed whne reinforced mode activated for 2 hours instead of 36... So now you can prepare thing as well as possible and it just doesn't change anything because a stupid bug gotta **** everything up ?


This drone trick was an abuse. I hope I'll never see this again.
Concerning the comments on the gallente dread, remember it has 3 turrets hardpoints. Drones were prolly thought as a nice advantage for battles and not for siege mode.

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Originally by: Scott Le'Gault

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Originally by: Drakos

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its pathetic that xetic can only defend thier POSs using the HELP button lol

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Its patheic you cant kill a pos without expoliting.

GG XF!

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Originally by: Melea

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So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow.

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Originally by: nitr0s

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Originally by: Melea

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Originally by: Drilla

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After seeing drones being used by THOUSANDS of players each day including POS killing I find it extremely odd and totally outside reason to suddenly catagorize it as an exploit.

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The question should be: Does CCP intend for the game mechanics to allow drones to both distract and lag POS defenses such that a fleet can more or less easily take out a fully armed, online, defended POS without the use of dreads, with minimal losses, and in a relatively short time? If they do, then this is not an abuse of game mechanics. If they do not, then it is.

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From taking stations and POS' down several times I can tell you that 100 ppl in local in a remote 0.0 system taking a station lags, no matter what you do (drones in or out).

There has been absolutely NO exploiting going on in taking the Xetic POS down and any one including GMs to state otherwise is pure ignorance and should result in a stripping of their GM rights as this specific situation is so biased it's not even a little funny.

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So you now consider yourself the arbiter of whether or not something is an exploit, rather than GMs who are employed by CCP? Wow.

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I hope CCP has the enlightenment to fix this utter disgrace and biased GM act - it's treason against the EVE playerbase and a total outrage.

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It's "treason against the EVE playerbase"? Somehow, I doubt that.

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Guess what nubby, ONLY CCP can decide what is or isnt an exploit.

Feel free to read the EULA.

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