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Whitehound
1013
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:23:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I disagree.
CCP told us that there are more people mining then ever in high sec, and it's becuase mining is safer in high sec now. I can see it for myself as I fly around high sec, the OP is indeed correct about belts being stripped clean faster then ever. It's more widespread then just "not mining 10 jumps out"
And in my experience "more then 10 jumps out" tends to put you into low sec. I mine the lower sec status belts in high sec, they're being stripped clean just like the .9 and .8 systems.
This isn't 6 years ago when it was just a simple matter of finding a place that doesn't have a lot of activity.
It's not that they're stripping clean belts, they're stripping entire systems clean in no time.
The fix isn't to make it mroe dangerous to mine in high sec. They need to give miners a reason to either form corporations or join them for the purpose of mining.
I would go so far as to require miners to be in a player run corporation in order to fly an exhumer or use T2 strips, and MLU's. They can say that CONCORD is requiring all capsuleer miners to register with a corporation, that is not NPC corps; for the purpose of lsensing, and economic reasons. You may disagree, but I go mining myself, I have friends who do and I buy minerals from miners all around. Even if there was a shortage can one always go mining in a mission. There is no shortage here. Besides, what would you want to do? Spawn more asteroids in high-sec so all of EVE can go mining?? This makes no sense to me. You either didn't read a single thing I wrote, or you mixed up who you quoted. Never once did I say a thing about spawning more asteroids, or that there was any kind of a shortage. Your response has nothing to do with anything I wrote. 350K+ people play on TQ today. Every single person can start mining in high sec for all I care, as long as the majority of them are doing it in a player run corp. You do not see belts full of miners from player run corps in high sec. Anyone that says you do is a liar. Sure I read your comment. You replied to me, remember? And I only replied to the OP. I was telling you that there is no shortage. You can make up theories in your head all day, but right now are the belts in the system I am in all full. Stop making stuff up. One only needs to go around and search. Just stop mining in The Forge and Lonetrek, that is good start. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1860
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:24:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I mine as well in high sec, often.
and now i've seen it all ....... And I do it from an NPC corp.
Let you in on a little secret. I"m not the only one.
You can't just undock in null sec and start mining, and sinse I don't sell the minerals there's no real reason for me to mine in null.
I exploit the NPC corps like everyone else. That's why I know they're being exploited.
I didn't play in null for 7 years. Where do you think I have? |
Dave Stark
1868
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:24:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Just stop mining in The Forge
confirming i have no issues mining in the forge, at almost any time of day. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
baltec1
Bat Country
5443
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Whitehound wrote:Just stop mining in The Forge confirming i have no issues mining in the forge, at almost any time of day.
Such a wretched place. |
Whitehound
1013
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Whitehound wrote:Just stop mining in The Forge confirming i have no issues mining in the forge, at almost any time of day. Not saying you cannot go mining in The Forge. I just find it more difficult there than in other regions to find belts with big asteroids in them. The system "Reisen" is one of the few good systems in The Forge that I know of, because it has got only a single station of a non-Caldari corporation there (CreoDron, Gallente) and does not get visited too often. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:You not keeping up with what the things CCP talks about is wholey your problem and no one elses.
CCP has never said that NPC corps are for solo and casual players. Exhumers, Orcas, freighters, and jump freighters are all advanced ships that are not for "noobs", as you said. PoS's are not just for invention, research, and copying, as you said.
You were wrong about all three of those points, and insisting othwise only means you're not being honest.
and yet you can fly a freighter in under 30 days and an mackinaw after 50. and trying to argue that these should be corporate assets doesn't change the fact that they are not. the only restrictions are on trial accounts, not on NPC corp members.
and you certainly can do other things with a POS but you're pretty much wasting your time if in high sec if you're not leveraging your research advantage for the risk you're taking. what with all the free slots at NPC corp stations etc.
and whatever CCP say you can obviously play this way for as long as you like as a casual and solo player. all that happens is you get screeched at on forums by people. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:51:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I exploit the NPC corps like everyone else. That's why I know they're being exploited.
people with lesser moral flexibility than your good self might call this 'hypocrisy' I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1869
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:55:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I exploit the NPC corps like everyone else. That's why I know they're being exploited.
people with lesser moral flexibility than your good self might call this 'hypocrisy'
the rest of us call it sensible. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the rest of us call it sensible.
I'd imagine quite a lot of nullsec dwellers have highsec alts. it indeed makes sense.
just not sure why you'd rant at other people on teh interwebs for doing the same thing I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Dave Stark
1869
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:06:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the rest of us call it sensible. I'd imagine quite a lot of nullsec dwellers have highsec NPC corp alts. it indeed makes sense. just not sure why you'd rant at other people on teh interwebs for doing the same thing
i haven't been? although i still agree that player corps need to be able to offer miners something to compete with wardec immunity. currently, they can't. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1861
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:07:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the rest of us call it sensible. I'd imagine quite a lot of nullsec dwellers have highsec NPC corp alts. it indeed makes sense. just not sure why you'd rant at other people on teh interwebs for doing the same thing I'm not complaining about anyone doing anything.
I'm pointing out a problem and asking that it be corrected so that no one can take advantage of it. It's an imbalance that is long over due to be addressed.
I didn't even suggest anything that only effected high sec miners. What do you think would happen if you had to be in a player run corp to operate a freighter or jump freighter in high sec?
I'm not saying "stop" doing it, I"m saying CCP needs stop "letting us" do it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
881
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:10:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If you need to be in a player run corp in order to fly an exhumer, oras, use T2 strips and MLU's, as well as be able to fly things in high sec like freighters and jump freighters, then dropping corp because someone war decced you would actually have an impact.
This is intersting, and I'd like to see it expanded upon, outside the context "Mining is Broken." Because it seems to me that this would be a useful change to the game in terms of gameplay,as opposed to hating on people who make money in ways that you disapprove.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Whitehound
1016
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:19:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm not saying "stop" doing it, I"m saying CCP needs stop "letting us" do it. Oh, how wonderful. Can we interrupt this topic and shortly switch to freighter ganking? Please?? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1862
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:26:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:I'm not saying "stop" doing it, I"m saying CCP needs stop "letting us" do it. Oh, how wonderful. Can we interrupt this topic and shortly switch to freighter ganking? Please?? NPC corps have everything to do with what the OP is experiencing.
The OP would have never made this thread if he had seen a bunch of miners in player run corps, because the only people you have to gank are NPC corp members.
Freighter ganking is not exempt from the same situation. If you had to be in a player run corp to fly a freighter there would be no such thing as freighter ganking.
If they made it a reequiment to be in a player run corp in order to fly a freighter, I would be perfectly fine with them putting in a mechanic that would make you instantly blow up if you bumped or fired a single shot at a freighter without declaring war. Because the only people that would be effect are NPC corp gankers.
Why should NPC corp gankers be able to exploit the NPC corps as well. If you want to gank the best stuff in the game you should be in a player run corp.
I say that jokingly, but I"m also pretty serious at the same time. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:29:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the rest of us call it sensible. I'd imagine quite a lot of nullsec dwellers have highsec NPC corp alts. it indeed makes sense. just not sure why you'd rant at other people on teh interwebs for doing the same thing I'm not complaining about anyone doing anything. I'm pointing out a problem and asking that it be corrected so that no one can take advantage of it. It's an imbalance that is long over due to be addressed. I didn't even suggest anything that only effected high sec miners. What do you think would happen if you had to be in a player run corp to operate a freighter or jump freighter in high sec? I'm not saying "stop" doing it, I"m saying CCP needs stop "letting us" do it.
maybe they're worried about their subs. maybe pandering to the lowest common denominator is the slow death of a game (call of duty i'm looking at you!) or maybe since everyone can have this advantage it's just another permabroken bit of the game that people just shrug off. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1862
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:33:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote: maybe they're worried about their subs. maybe pandering to the lowest common denominator is the slow death of a game (call of duty i'm looking at you!) or maybe since everyone can have this advantage it's just another permabroken bit of the game that people just shrug off.
You're the lowest common denominator.
Stop trying to perpetrate the idea that people in high sec are afraid of PvP, they are not. There's only a means to avoid it that is to easy, and doesn't penalize you for taking advantage of it.
Everyone using it so it's fine is a **** poor excuse, and only shows the kind of gamer you are. |
Theron Dashto
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:40:00 -
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Came in expecting another dumb hisec miner thread. Left satisfied. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:43:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote: maybe they're worried about their subs. maybe pandering to the lowest common denominator is the slow death of a game (call of duty i'm looking at you!) or maybe since everyone can have this advantage it's just another permabroken bit of the game that people just shrug off.
You're the lowest common denominator. Stop trying to perpetrate the idea that people in high sec are afraid of PvP, they are not. There's only a means to avoid it that is to easy, and doesn't penalize you for taking advantage of it. Everyone using it so it's fine is a **** poor excuse, and only shows the kind of gamer you are.
the same kind of gamer as you?
I mean it's one thing to be the kind of fool who holds others to his own standards but to actually hold others to standards you don't even apply to yourself is quite amazing. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Whitehound
1017
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:NPC corps have everything to do with what the OP is experiencing.
The OP would have never made this thread if he had seen a bunch of miners in player run corps, because the only people you have to gank are NPC corp members... How can you possibly know why and why not the OP created his thread? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2531
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:00:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:NPC corps have everything to do with what the OP is experiencing.
The OP would have never made this thread if he had seen a bunch of miners in player run corps, because the only people you have to gank are NPC corp members... How can you possibly know why and why not the OP created his thread?
Actually reading the OP is a good indication. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
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Whitehound
1017
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:08:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Whitehound wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:NPC corps have everything to do with what the OP is experiencing.
The OP would have never made this thread if he had seen a bunch of miners in player run corps, because the only people you have to gank are NPC corp members... How can you possibly know why and why not the OP created his thread? Actually reading the OP is a good indication. Please, go on. I would not mind reading another rant. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
939
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:13:00 -
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Owain GIyndwr wrote: this has to be the worst form of game management I have ever seen.
Monaclegate, so HTFU.
CCP has come a long way in a short time, stop trying to make every damn issue sound like the end of the world. Hey, I just met you... and this is crazy but you popped my Rifter, so don't pod me maybe? |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
168
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:16:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:If miners in high sec were required to play in a player run corp to access the best ships for the best mining in high sec, they'd be better prepared and more willing to enter other areas of the game to mine.
So what? I'll start a one man corp.
If I get wardec'd, I get a nice warning and I stay docked until I can leave the corp and create a new one.
I'll keep doing this until the wardecer realizes he could have spent the war fees on just buying a gank ship and just take me out that way.
Seriously NPC corps are just as safe as one man corps. Both can avoid wardecs.
Both are equally nice targets for ganking.
And ganking gives little or no warning on when a good time to be docked is.
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When I said "I" I mean in theory as I do not mine, but if I did mine it would be in an NPC corp or a one man corp. I don't trust people not to awox me. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Ris Dnalor
L'Avant Garde Happy Endings
460
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Posted - 2013.02.27 03:48:00 -
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Owain GIyndwr wrote:A few years ago to combat the macro mining and RMT epidemic in Eve CCP reduced the amount that asteroids re-spawned after down time resulting in macro miners completely draining the high sec belts until finally there was nothing but specks of asteroids re-spawning after each down time which then got quickly sucked up by the macros shortly. Then Ganking came into the game in a big way and reduced the numbers of miners and macros until finally Hulkaggendon arrived which then made mining almost a none event except a few brave soles like my self mining in very out of the way places, about this time or not long after, CCP made a stand against RMT and got rid of many macro mining accounts.
There was a period of about a year or may be a bit longer when the belts grew fat with very few brave enough to go mining in high sec because of the eve present threat ganking. The markets shot up as the cost of loot reached new all time highs as players used refined loot to make ships instead of mined minerals. What was CCPGÇÖs answer to this they cut the amount of loot being gathered from missions and rats in general. CCP actively tried to force players to go mining again. But it did not workGǪGǪ..
Fast forward to recent times. CCP have given the whole mining ship situation a buff. We all know of the many changes made which has very much improved the mining situation in high sec, making it harder to gank many mining ships. BUT! Where are we today, well I will tell youGǪGǪ.
Hordes of macro miners roaming about the belts freely sucking away at the newly re-spawned tiny specks of asteroids currently in the belts of high sec. Yes folks we have come FULL CIRCLE.
CCP I have got to ask how could you be so short sighted as to not see this coming, I mean seriously this has to be the worst form of game management I have ever seen.
I have roamed the high sec systems until I have gone almost blind and there are no belts worth mining left any whereGǪGǪ..DonGÇÖt take my word for it go look your self.
I fully expect the flamers to bark that there are many fat belts around the place or that I should go mining in low sec or null but thatGÇÖs not how I wish to play. I really have been far and wile and there is nothing worthy out there to mine in high security space.
Is this game over for the many players who simply wish to log on and spend a few quiet hours making isk. CCP are you going to scrifice these players for the sake of macro miners AGAIN?!
IF this is not a troll, that sucks. I have not been to h i sec for a very long time, but if new folks can't find something to mine, there's a problem that needs addressed. But have heart, CCP will not let their new players suffer long, and by proxy you will benefit too.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3136
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:56:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:If miners in high sec were required to play in a player run corp to access the best ships for the best mining in high sec, they'd be better prepared and more willing to enter other areas of the game to mine.
LOL.
If membership of a player-run corp was required in order to undock in an exhumer, we'd just have many more single player corporations with alts set up to assist with war-dodging. Then you'd be here on the forums complaining that war dodging is too easy, insisting that players be forced to fight when wardecced. Then you'd be complaining that these folks you wardecced only ever undock when they outnumber you 3:1.
You are the risk faced by miners. You impose your will by suicide ganking their ships. No sensible miner will mine during a wardec: they will turtle up and play a different game, or they will log on one of their other characters in a different corp and continue mining.
When it comes to suicide ganking, the miner gets no warning and it doesn't matter whether they're in an NPC corp or player corp.
Of course it's likely that you want to wardec the miners because you're frightened of losing your ship to CONCORD and suffering the sec status loss which means you'll have to rat for a day or two to get your sec status back. I feel for you and your lack of consequence free aggression. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3136
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:09:00 -
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Owain GIyndwr wrote:I have roamed the high sec systems until I have gone almost blind and there are no belts worth mining left any whereGǪGǪ..DonGÇÖt take my word for it go look your self.
GǪ
Is this game over for the many players who simply wish to log on and spend a few quiet hours making isk. CCP are you going to scrifice these players for the sake of macro miners AGAIN?!
As a miner myself, let me assure you that the three major reasons for the emptiness of most belts are the introduction of the Orca back in Quantum Rise, the recent buffs to mining barges and the number of new players choosing mining as a profession. The introduction of the Orca immediately boosted the harvesting efficiency of all mining fleets larger than one ship. The foolish design decisions represented by the Mackinaw mean that even single ship mining fleets can be very efficient at stripping belts. The introduction of new players (or at least, new accounts) increased the number of mining fleets. As a result, there is far more ore being sucked out of belts and thus the belts disappear faster.
Another option for the lazy miner is to run missions. Look for missions that have large collections of rocks, and go mine those rocks.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
105
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:27:00 -
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Funny, I have two belts I mine in a high sec system just outside the door of my station, just me. Sure the small money rocks are picked over but when go out with my two hulks its just me in the belt for two hours. Secret? I'm in the boonies where the roids are large and plentiful. Why do I mine? Too cheap to buy the minerals to build my Capital Parts. Sure Its dangerous to be near a low sec systems but less so near the herds. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
49
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:40:00 -
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I mine in a highsec island surrounded by lowsec systems. I am the only miner here... company is welcome! |
Dave Stark
1870
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:42:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:I mine in a highsec island surrounded by lowsec systems. I am the only miner here... company is welcome!
i shall join you, in my catalyst. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Dave Stark
1870
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:46:00 -
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it's also what, over 20 hours past downtime now? my favourite mining belt in the forge region, completely untouched. even by me. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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