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Lady Darksaber
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Posted - 2005.08.06 03:39:00 -
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Tech2 BS ?
I think i saw a dev chat or blog about it a while ago. Can anyone remember where this was ? i have BS 5 and level 4 HAC so im waiting .....show us the money....we need a dreadnought killer :)
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.08.06 03:49:00 -
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Near as can be figgered there will not be a Super Heavy Assault Class.
The Elite battleships will likely be Flagships with command bonuses, they might have decent resists because they would be primary in every fleet fight. Wouldn't be anywhere near a SHAC that people envision though because Command modules use high slots.
The other type there is a lot of talk about would be Heavy Logistics ships.
I personally think these might be disgustingly uber... Imagine a Dominix with the same bonuses as the Oneiros and you'll know why. *shudder*
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.08.06 03:58:00 -
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The command ships will be T2 battlecruisers that are already finished and ready for release. They come with stock 1500 CPU, fewer slots, twice the speed, 10 locked targets and better targeting range, and 1/10 the sig radius. the skill reqs currently say you need Cruiser V and Squad Command I, but those are almost certainly not final. Skill reqs are the last thing to be fixed, usually at release.
So in light of this, i have no idea personally what role T2 battleships will serve.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.08.06 04:31:00 -
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there will be SHASs and they will be just like the AFs and HACs...
why is it so hard to understand that... they will cost like hell and insurence payouts will be pathetic...
only the filthy rich will use them...
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Sentani
there will be SHASs and they will be just like the AFs and HACs...
why is it so hard to understand that... they will cost like hell and insurence payouts will be pathetic...
only the filthy rich will use them...
How do you know?
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:08:00 -
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T2 Raven Plz.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aliksr
The command ships will be T2 battlecruisers that are already finished and ready for release. They come with stock 1500 CPU, fewer slots, twice the speed, 10 locked targets and better targeting range, and 1/10 the sig radius. the skill reqs currently say you need Cruiser V and Squad Command I, but those are almost certainly not final. Skill reqs are the last thing to be fixed, usually at release.
So in light of this, i have no idea personally what role T2 battleships will serve.
Apparently now that the skills for the modules are out and people have been testing them, the battlecruiser description is wrong - the Battlecruisers get a 99% CPU reduction - making the command modules 50 cpu to fit.
Now with that in mind, elite battlecruisers with 1500 cpu don't make much sense.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Arimas Talasko
How do you know?
its just my point of view... theres no info so far...
am i not allowed to speculate ?
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:43:00 -
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hmmm, a ôHeavy Assaultö amarr battleship, built on an Apoc hull possibly.
with Heavy Assault Cruiser -type- resistances
as many slots as a battleship
CPU and power grid of a battleship
Now it may not be immediately apparent to some, but imagine the already insane tanking capabilities of an Apoc with appropriate fitting(s) for instance, but now include the benefit of HAC -like- resistance bonuses.
for the person in the ship, that would be wonderful I'm sure, for everyone else in the game, that would be a nightmare.
there would be basically no need for any other class of combat ships other than a Dreadnought maybe, as you'd need that much punch just to break through the tank.
regardless of how much one may cost, people would pay it if they saw they could get a battleship which is already VERY high in the pecking order, and then have a defensive capability that's nearly unbreakable.
I use the apoc as an example, but the vast increase in defensive capability would be seriously questionable being added to any battleship.
Imagine gank fittings with a ôSHACö, it could go all gank as now, but by default itÆs still pretty tough on defense even without tank fitting since it can shake off a large portion of the damage automatically, and since itÆs a battleship it already has lots of shield/armor to cut through.
It would practically be the toughness of a Dreadnought in a smaller package that can fly in empire space freely.
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:58:00 -
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I for one still like to think my Devs are sane and have some sense of game balance.
I firmly beleive that any T2 BS will be a support type craft.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.08.06 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Malacore
I for one still like to think my Devs are sane and have some sense of game balance.
I firmly beleive that any T2 BS will be a support type craft.
They should continue the line the way they have been doing. They should be SHAC's.
They are going to cost nearly a billion with a laughable insurance payout, no more gang/blob related bull**** please.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.06 06:46:00 -
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A ship that can laugh at a Blob...I would buy one.
~Sobe
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.08.06 07:12:00 -
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i welcome battleships with uber resists and offense.
A T2 Raven with like 7 Launchers, 7 midslots and 6 lowslots with HAC resists and 4 bonuses would be super sexy..
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Azziza Meekstone
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Posted - 2005.08.06 07:54:00 -
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The day they release a SHAC based on the 'poc with HAC resistances, and 2 more boni is the day I lose all faith in CCP. A 'poc with say another low slot and 5% damage/rof boni coupled with assault resists? It'd walk all over anything else in the game except another SHAC. And can you imagine the buff NPCs would have to get in order to prevent SHACs from being insanely overpowered in PvE? Go go 5000 damage torps from NPCs!
But on the flipside, if CCP doesn't improve their network code to a point where blobs don't kill the servers, releasing any more gang related modules would just be a kick in the nuts.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.08.06 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Originally by: Arimas Talasko
How do you know?
its just my point of view... theres no info so far...
am i not allowed to speculate ?
Read the various dev blogs, CCP already stated that there would be no assault-like T2 battleships, because they would be simply too powerfull...
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Electka Storm
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Posted - 2005.08.06 08:59:00 -
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/me Imagines a Armageddon with the Zealots range and damage bonuses Plus armour resists and shudders... They will be far too overpowered..
I still want one tho 
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.06 09:04:00 -
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Even if they dont have any more offensive power than current BSes, but do have HAC resists and some defensive bonuses, it will be sweet.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:30:00 -
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The chance that we will see tier II tech II BS's anytime soon is very small.
With the friggs we first got Interceptors (the smallest of the friggs) followed by Covert Ops (a low tier ship) and only after that did we see the high tier ships in the form of assault ships.
Same goes for cruisers, first ship out was the logistics (smallest cruiser type) and later the heavy assult ships.
Its thus reasonable to belive we will see Tier 1 BS's (scorp, armageddon, dominix and phoon) and they will probably not be pure combat designs.
I am looking forward to finding out what the devs have in store for the first batch of tech II BS's, Bs logistics is actually very probable but considering their failiure in making the cruiser logistics used to any extent they may put that Idea back a while.
In any case I would much rather see tech II veriants of the unused friggs, destroyers, cruisers and battlecruisers.
I have for example been waiting a loong time for the tech II Belicose, I am also waiting patiently for a smuggle ship, from the minmatar ships Im expecting that the Burst will play this role.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Sentani
Originally by: Arimas Talasko
How do you know?
its just my point of view... theres no info so far...
am i not allowed to speculate ?
Read the various dev blogs, CCP already stated that there would be no assault-like T2 battleships, because they would be simply too powerfull...
Links?
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:56:00 -
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aye didn't people think Battleships where going to be overpowered when all that was in the game where cruisers and smaller?
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:07:00 -
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I don't have a clue where they keep the transcripts but I can confirm the devs have stated in a dev chat that there will be no assault ship style BS's.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Axin
aye didn't people think Battleships where going to be overpowered when all that was in the game where cruisers and smaller?
And they were incredibly overpowered. It took months and months (maybe even a year) of rebalancing, before battleships didn't kill anything else without a sweat.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:29:00 -
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Can people actually link to dev chats or dev blogs? I hate rumour mongers.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeten on 06/08/2005 12:36:42
Originally by: Gierling
SHAC
PLEASE GOD DON'T LET PEOPLE CALL THEM, Super Heavy Assault Cruisers. Grrrr. Should be called Elite Assault ship EAS but please no SHAC.
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.08.06 13:46:00 -
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I don't care about Tech 2 Battleships, but I would like to see more variation in the battleship line-up. As we know Battleships are the real workhorses of Eve, so why do we only have 2 per race to choose from? Give each race another battleship or two - maybe make one of them a 'Tier 3'.
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Lintaka
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Posted - 2005.08.06 16:21:00 -
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One of the problems included with EAB's.. (Elite Assault Battleships I like to call them) if they ever came out...
Would be the fact that, at the moment I think CCP is trying to stop massive blobs killing one ship in a few seconds, now the introduction of a ship that would actualy cause more people to make bigger blobs and do what there doing now 100 times worse is not the way to go...
Plus the fact that they would be insanly powerfull 1 v 1 or 10 v 1 still ( even though I think it would be fairly easy to just jam it and make it useless )...
However imo I agree that T2 Battleships would be better off as logistics or comand ships... able to help out with gang or remote assisted modules, hard to kill, but unable to hit very hard (if at all, as like the Sacralige has shown, its possible to do very little damage and just kill them over a long time)..
Just ideas and opionions though... 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.06 17:04:00 -
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Fack
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.08.06 17:30:00 -
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Fact yes, I belive they are planned for the next content patch.
Though seeing how CCP works in the past, I presonally think they'll show up two content patches from now.
My two cents: I don't think we need super heavy assult ships. There are enough damage dealing ships in the game, I'd like something different. AOF ships mabey?
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.08.06 20:45:00 -
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if we ever do see elite battleships they'll be stripped of high slots and hardpoints, have boosted velocity, lowered sig radius, higher resists and serve some narrow specialist role that takes a few months of training to be competent in. logistics battleships, for instance. or fleet command platforms.
this is the ONLY way we'll ever see Tech 2 battleships. anything else would break the game.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.08.06 20:53:00 -
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no T2 BS = me not playing eve for another year. now that dreadnoughts are out there is room for t2 bs, a t2 bs vs DN would be the same as a hac vs BS, whats wrong with that picture? of course by then there will probably also be carriers/titans. and itll be sweet, and this game will give me another year or two of great gaming.
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