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Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:53:00 -
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1000 bucks for 10 inches? Hahahahaaaa... no, i don`t think so. Tenderness will crush your heart |
Lexmana
941
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:58:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Who needs a mouse and keyboard, right? When i get on the train in the morning, all the girls are gonna think i'm so cool when they seem me with this Irony is difficult on the internet. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:03:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Who needs a mouse and keyboard, right? When i get on the train in the morning, all the girls are gonna think i'm so cool when they seem me with this Irony is difficult on the internet. The real irony is that the new stuff coming out, such as "GAMING TABLETS" are in fact much worse, technically, but also ergonomically, than our old PCs.
And they cost as much, if not more. |
Bellatren Star
Emergent Advancements
12
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:08:00 -
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Oh wow would love to own one of the top of the line models! One day it will happen. The day when the dark forces of M0o return to reclaim the galaxy and leave no man, woman or child alive... This... This will be the day the prophecy comes to pass. The end of New Eden. - Hershea's Prophecy, Chapter XIII. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13037
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:13:00 -
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SoooGǪ it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient? Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
144
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SoooGǪ it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient?
macbook air, most awesome game computer ever.... |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:26:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote: That ridiculous keyboard gets under 7% fail rate after 3 hours of use. Pretty nice from product that isnt even close to be released.
That's not possible. It's not even possible to move one's fingers that precisely without tactile feedback even if the tech to measure it existed. Let's see some proof. Even in the unlikely event that it is true, my physical keyboard gets a 0% fail rate after well over 6 hours. It also costs less and doesn't make you look silly.
My keyboard has about a 30% fail rate whenever I need to use the 'I' 'O' and 'P' keys, because the letters have all rubbed off, and its guesswork if I'm hitting the right one half of the time. **** knows how I would even write my name with some invisible keyboard |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
447
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:29:00 -
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I wonder how long it'll take to ware through the screen if you were playing on it without the special needs cradle.
That's the good thing about desktops\laptops, a part breaks, you can replace it easily....laptops less so but you get what I mean. |
Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
33
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:34:00 -
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right clicking on tablet seems fun |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
389
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:46:00 -
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Lupus Borealis wrote:The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years. I've been hearing this for the last 10 years. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:48:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote:The old desktop PC will be gone in less than 5 years. I've been hearing this for the last 10 years.
They have been reduced in number, maybe another 5 years will do it... GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13037
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:49:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Tippia wrote:SoooGǪ it's like a MacBook Air only much much less convenient? macbook air, most awesome game computer ever.... Well, hey, EVE runs on them, so obviouslyGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3644
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:57:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Baconarious Caesar wrote:Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last... Pretty sure no one said that about VHS. Pretty sure the second people realized that with DVD you didn't get that annoying hiss you used to get from VHS they started flying off the shelves. People did indeed turn up their nose at DVD's at first, as many were convinced it would never catch on and become main stream, DVD players were expensive at the time, and people were amused that you could not easily record shows to them (which many thought of as a huge step backwards).
Higher video and audio quality was not considered to be the end all be all argument, as Beta Max was superior to VHS in all ways, yet it folded to an inferior quality product (VHS).
Isn't it funny how we shape history to fit our current reality. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13037
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Baconarious Caesar wrote:Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last... Pretty sure no one said that about VHS. Pretty sure the second people realized that with DVD you didn't get that annoying hiss you used to get from VHS they started flying off the shelves. People did indeed turn up their nose at DVD's at first, as many were convinced it would never catch on and become main stream, DVD players were expensive at the time, and people were amused that you could not easily record shows to them (which many thought of as a huge step backwards). Higher video and audio quality was not considered to be the end all be all argument, as Beta Max was superior to VHS in all ways, yet it folded to an inferior quality product (VHS). Isn't it funny how we shape history to fit our current reality. GǪand anyway, what sold DVDs to the general public was the Playstation 2. Those nasty ebil good-for-nothing consoles!!
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3644
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:10:00 -
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Now this would be interesting for EvE (or many other games), picture this.
You have your gaming PC and two or three nice large monitors (or perhaps your wall mounted wide screen TV) as your main system.
Main control remains keyboard and mouse (wireless).
But additionally you have your gaming tablet to the side or perhaps at a rather flat angle. On the tablet you have all of the interfaces, chat channels, inventory screens, coms, etc. that you would prefer not cluttering your main monitors... the things that it would be handy to move around, select and interact with on a touch screen.
I could also see the "Gaming Dock" being handy for FSP, especially if they did two things.
1: Make the Gaming Pad motion sensitive so that the game responds to how you move, turn and angle the pad itself... as well as to the twin game controller grips to either side.
2: Make the Gaming Dock have a heavy duty full motion pivot, so that the Game Pads weight was no longer a factor and allowed the twisting and turning motions mentioned above. FPS or Flight Sims would be a lot of fun on such a setup.
Baby steps, people, baby steps. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jensaro Koraka
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:55:00 -
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Baconarious Caesar wrote:Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago, "in the old days", when people said... No way I'm giving up VHS! Disks are stupid,trendy, and won't last... In my defense, when I said that I was talking about Laser Discs and I was right. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
324
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:09:00 -
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"...available for pre-order starting March 1st for $999 and up." "1366 x 768 pixel display" "Prices for the tablet alone can go as high as $1449..."
No full HD 1920x1080? Crack pipe price.
Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2990
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:13:00 -
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Lupus Borealis wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.
The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use. I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens. Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade... Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.
Bwahahahahaha.
No. touchscreens force you to *block part of the screen during use*, limit you to 1-2 inputs at a time, and have a minimum selection size (size of a fingertip). It is an inferior input design. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3648
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Tablets are a ****** interface for gaming, to be completely frank. They could start a new, console-like market, with subgenres of games built to operate on simple control schemes on a touch-screen interface, but they aren't going to replace PCs.
The mouse + keyboard combination is pretty much ideal for gaming. It allows an absolutely massive number of buttons to be immediately accessible, and doesn't involve time-consuming gestures or anything of the like. That, and a PC can be high-performance with little worry about overheating. Cases are spacious and generally designed for ideal airflow. Tablets have to be extremely slim by design, meaning closely packed together components. This means anything taking full advantage of the hardware is going to put that hardware at risk during extended use. I'll dare say the unspeakable: EVE is a close to ideal game for touch screen displays, as most of the interface functions on a point and click or drag and drop interaction. More swipes, less buttons and you're pretty much there. (Un)fortunately, the interface was never designed for small screens, which makes tablets suboptimal for actual gameplay, where loads of information needs to be presented on the same page. Had the UI been rewritten, it would work great, but it's not worth the resources considering other limitations of today's application of said screens. Tldr: don't think in terms of what's available today. Less than a decade ago, few considered smartphone market and tablets were a failed sideproduct of notebook miniaturization attempts. Today, the world is changed. Imagine what we could have in another decade... Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0. Bwahahahahaha. No. touchscreens force you to *block part of the screen during use*, limit you to 1-2 inputs at a time, and have a minimum selection size (size of a fingertip). It is an inferior input design.
For actively selecting small targets, yes I agree.
However for most applications it is fine, especially when moving/selecting icons or text boxes around. Thus for many purposes, even in EvE or other games, a touch screen is practical and intuitive for many aspects of the game play... often superior to a mouse.
To be honest the best game interface (in many cases) would allow for mouse/keyboard "and" touch screen control... and a game controller or joystick would not go amiss in many games. Hybrid control interfaces are not far off, and frankly it won't be long before simple monitors without touch screen capability will be relegated to the budget bin. of your local electronics store.
Sure, in many situations you won't use it over keyboard/mouse... but as software (and as we can see, operating systems) become more touch screen friendly it will become a normal option.
Keep in mind we also have a whole new generation of consumers growing up right now that find using a touch screen on a phone or tablet to be as natural a breathing. Manufacturers are realizing this, and we are just now starting to fully see the impact on new products of all types. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
324
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:35:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote: Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.
When touch screens solve the issues of 1) my finger being in the way 2) marks on the screen 3) mechanical resistance I'll happily use them, otherwise, I hates them sooooo much
A precision Teflon-tipped stylus would solve all three.
I have no idea why touchscreens went from stylus (think Palm Pilots) to fingers. Far less accurate. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3648
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:38:00 -
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Palovana wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote: Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.
When touch screens solve the issues of 1) my finger being in the way 2) marks on the screen 3) mechanical resistance I'll happily use them, otherwise, I hates them sooooo much A precision Teflon-tipped stylus would solve all three. I have no idea why touchscreens went from stylus (think Palm Pilots) to fingers. Far less accurate.
Because you can do more motions/actions with your multiple digits than you can with a single point of contact like a stylus. It opens up more control options, and became much more practical as screen sizes grew larger. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jensaro Koraka
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:42:00 -
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Palovana wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Lupus Borealis wrote: Yeah. Touchscreen controls beats kb&mouse 6-0.
When touch screens solve the issues of 1) my finger being in the way 2) marks on the screen 3) mechanical resistance I'll happily use them, otherwise, I hates them sooooo much A precision Teflon-tipped stylus would solve all three. I have no idea why touchscreens went from stylus (think Palm Pilots) to fingers. Far less accurate. Doesn't solve 1 and 3. |
Prekaz
The Gentlemen's Corporation
23
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:48:00 -
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:[
Yet they continue to be outsold because of sheeple flocking to the next shiny.
Tablets outsell PCs because they're a better device for a larger number of people.
I don't see this particular tablet performing well, though, because it's actively working against most of the actual selling points of a tablet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3648
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:50:00 -
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One other interesting development in the pipe for touch screens is the ability to provide tactile feedback. In other words the screen can actually bump up or form a "pit" where the graphic for say an icon or other control would be, even allowing the important sense of contact and response than many people find necessary when working with something like a keyboard.
I have used a laser keyboard, where the device was simply a small USB box that projected a keyboard onto the surface of your desk. It was a bit disconcerting at first, even though you could turn on the option of hearing an audible click when you typed for each keystroke. However I'll admit I would be a lot more comfortable (even typing a text message on my phone) if I could actually feel a bump for each key I was pressing.
Point being, this simple advance could well make a separate keyboard go away... or at the very least become a fully customizable keyboard you can lay out any way you wish with a simple software selection (as we are starting to see at the electronics shows).
Things are rapidly changing my friends. Soon our kids will have that same somewhat condescending smirk on their faces that WE used to reserve for our parents when they stared blankly at a keyboard and mouse. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
447
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:55:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Isn't it funny how we shape history to fit our current reality.
I remember always hating the hiss and degradation on VHS, always wondering why betamax never took off and then rushing out to get a DVD player for my PC the first chance I got.
Then much much later, getting a PS2.
I guess I'm just remembering history from my perspective :P |
T'Laar Bok
60
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:When a gaming tablet can beat my dual 27" monitors for gaming beauty, I will be the first in line.
When a gaming tablet can beat my quad 30". quad 27" and quad 19" monitors for gaming beauty, I will be the first in line. Amphetimines are your friend.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok |
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