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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
273
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:17:00 -
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mm.
the important part here is the 2nd part:
CCP wrote:2. Exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.
yes your ship might have blown up, however exchange of fire has not ceased for 5 minutes therefore the duel is still active, ship or no ship.
also EvE rules of engagement.
They should probably change the wording to avoid unwatned petitions. Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits? |
Toto Zinny
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:38:00 -
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Being able to pod kill after a duel? Kind of takes all the fun out of it.
Cheap ship, duel, lose, nice fun. 100 mill implants, duel, lose, crying rivers for years after. Swear never to duel again.
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Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 11:43:00 -
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Toto Zinny wrote:Being able to pod kill after a duel? Kind of takes all the fun out of it.
Cheap ship, duel, lose, nice fun. 100 mill implants, duel, lose, crying rivers for years after. Swear never to duel again.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose also applies to the shiney implants in your head. They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1108
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:15:00 -
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The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE. This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox. I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste. Terrible feature.
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
230
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:17:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE. This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox. I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste. Terrible feature.
DWI
the dueling system is meant to fill the hole that Crimewatch2.0 created, and even better than before. Now you don't have to expose yourself to a whole corporation just to have a one versus one fight. |
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:21:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE. This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox. I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste. Terrible feature.
Agreed. It seems stupid. No it IS stupid... |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
300
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:52:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE. This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox. I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste. Terrible feature.
And this is just another "sandbox is what I say it is" post. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:03:00 -
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lol :CCP: at it's finest.
Whoever wrote the feature page obviously wasn't communicating with the devs working on crimewatch...
All large companies suffer some degree of miscommunication, the fact this is now bringing tears to the forums is most excellent.
CCP-harvested tears = best tears. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3544
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:48:00 -
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OP still not replying as to whether or not there was a CONCORD response against the podder, as the duel 'ended' with a ship being destroyed.
Yes or no would be interesting. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
127
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:51:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.
I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading. It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach
I don't know how it would take more than 3 brain cells firing in unison to figure this one out when dueling was announced.
Crimewatch 2.0 made any and all CONCORD-sanctioned PvP in highsec include the legal destruction of pods as a possible outcome. How people concluded that a Limited Engagement bourn from a duel invite would be any different is beyond me.
Well, actually it's not beyond me. 90% of eve is really really good at making bad decisions based on bad assumptions. |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1190
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:56:00 -
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Once again, what's the friggin' point of a "duel"? You want peeveepee, go get it. You don't want to get podded, go RvB and hope the other guy abides by the rules.
You want weenie fights where you both shake hands after someone yields? Play Aeon. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3544
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:58:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.
I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading. It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach I don't know how it would take more than 3 brain cells firing in unison to figure this one out when dueling was announced. Crimewatch 2.0 made any and all CONCORD-sanctioned PvP in highsec include the legal destruction of pods as a possible outcome. How people concluded that a Limited Engagement bourn from a duel invite would be any different is beyond me. Well, actually it's not beyond me. 90% of eve is really really good at making bad decisions based on bad assumptions.
The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.
What is so impenetrable in understanding that ? Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3645
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:01:00 -
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I haven't tested this yet, but considering that it follows (for the most part) the rules of a limited engagement, podding is probably allowed (as it should be).
They should simply remove the first line of the description on the features page.
Failing that, it could be a bug. In which case they need to exclude pods from the list of viable targets during a duel (which would be unfortunate).
I suppose they could create a system where the person accepting the challenge can chose whether or not to allow podding, but that would complicate things and I don't like how it fits into the EvE mentality.
For those usually worthy folks complaining about the existence of the dueling mechanic, while they could have chosen a less corny name for it you know as well as we do that it is simply replacing the can mechanic that was taken away with the streamlined crime watch system. People have been "dueling" for years, this is nothing new. In fact the system is quite a bit clearer and more logical than what we had before.
Complaining about the new system (other than this quirk that needs to be ironed out) is simply posturing... and you're better than that. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
65
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:07:00 -
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Arox Dax wrote:Jaiell wrote:
So why did i get podded (40mil) Clone (13mil)...in 0.9 space.
Because that little squishy sound your pod makes just as it explodes into tiny little pieces is so addictive
Pod goo is both nutritious and delicious, some people develop a real taste for it http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Orlacc
266
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.
I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading. It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach I don't know how it would take more than 3 brain cells firing in unison to figure this one out when dueling was announced. Crimewatch 2.0 made any and all CONCORD-sanctioned PvP in highsec include the legal destruction of pods as a possible outcome. How people concluded that a Limited Engagement bourn from a duel invite would be any different is beyond me. Well, actually it's not beyond me. 90% of eve is really really good at making bad decisions based on bad assumptions. The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response. What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?
OP never said whether there was a Concord response. He seemed to think his pod should not have been able to be blapped. Please read before getting huffy. |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
127
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.
What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?
I don't know how you could have come up with that info. Care to cite your source? I'll cite mine:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74208
Quote: ...if the target accepts the challenge, then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters. From here, the existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest (Punishing neutral remote-reps, extending the life-time of the engagement due to module activation etc).
Emphasis mine. |
Skorpynekomimi
459
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:24:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Jaiell wrote:I'm quite aware of the risks taken in PvP but when ccp state on their brag page that a duel ends when "One or both of the participants' ships have been destroyed." I expected to grats my challenger and head in for anouther ship. I have sent a petition but im guessing thousands have done the same....
Expecting CCP to provide information on game mechanics may be asking too much.....I'm not sure they know what's happening themselves... However, Pods have been free game since Crimewatch, in any type of limited engagement.
Jon Joringer wrote:I see this happen all the time. Pods left sitting there, then blown up. I'm assuming a lot of people still don't know (or rather, a lot of people are still finding out) that Limited Engagements allow for podding.
Thank you. I WAS nervous about seeing so many corpses around, but now I am at peace. It's perfectly normal behaviour. Back to collecting and selling them. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3544
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:36:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:
OP never said whether there was a Concord response.
That is exactly the problem here. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3544
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:41:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.
What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?
I don't know how you could have come up with that info. Care to cite your source? I'll cite mine: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74208Quote: ...if the target accepts the challenge, then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters. From here, the existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest (Punishing neutral remote-reps, extending the life-time of the engagement due to module activation etc).
Emphasis mine.
I see nothing about podding in your source.
Nor here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Duel
The point is the documentation is not clear at all.
The only thing CLEAR is that "the duel is over once a ship is destroyed".
EDIT: and it does not help that OP did not clarify whether or not there was a CONCORD response.
I matters not to me personally, but that is a rather important point for those interested in such a mechanic. And I would like to know just because. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
127
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.
What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?
I don't know how you could have come up with that info. Care to cite your source? I'll cite mine: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74208Quote: ...if the target accepts the challenge, then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters. From here, the existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest (Punishing neutral remote-reps, extending the life-time of the engagement due to module activation etc).
Emphasis mine. I see nothing about podding in your source.Nor here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DuelThe point is the documentation is not clear at all. The only thing CLEAR is that "the duel is over once a ship is destroyed". EDIT: and it does not help that OP did not clarify whether or not there was a CONCORD response. I matters not to me personally, but that is a rather important point for those interested in such a mechanic. And I would like to know just because.
What else could "existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest" mean? This is just another shining example of what I meant when I said that 90% of eve makes bad assumptions.
The wiki is often updated by ISD member who themselves don't completely grasp the finer points of Eve Mechanics. It's the last place I look for authoritative documentation. |
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Orlacc
266
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Orlacc wrote:
OP never said whether there was a Concord response.
That is exactly the problem here.
You make no sense. The duel was over and he got podded. Likely whomever podded him was whacked. End of story.
What you think that he should have been immune to podding? AFTER THE DUEL WAS OVER? |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
128
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:56:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Orlacc wrote:
OP never said whether there was a Concord response.
That is exactly the problem here. You make no sense. The duel was over and he got podded. Likely whomever podded him was whacked. End of story. What you think that he should have been immune to podding? AFTER THE DUEL WAS OVER?
A duel is over when the Limited Engagement timer between the people involved expires, not when a ship is destroyed.
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Orlacc
266
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:57:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Orlacc wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Orlacc wrote:
OP never said whether there was a Concord response.
That is exactly the problem here. You make no sense. The duel was over and he got podded. Likely whomever podded him was whacked. End of story. What you think that he should have been immune to podding? AFTER THE DUEL WAS OVER? A duel is over when the Limited Engagement timer between the people involved expires, not when a ship is destroyed.
My point is that anyone can get podded any time. Anywhere. |
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GM Karidor
Game Masters C C P Alliance
870
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:05:00 -
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Hello everyone.
We noticed this particular bit of incorrect information on the Retribution feature page for dueling a few days ago and have taken steps to correct it back then, but unfortunately this isn't quite an immediate process for various reasons. However, by the time I am posting this the feature page has been corrected for all language versions of the page to reflect the correct situation (see http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/).
The current mechanic has been described already, so I'll not go into too much detail other than confirming that a Limited Engagement (whether caused by a successful duel request or other mechanics) will stay active for 5 minutes after the last aggressive action between the two pilots involved, and that it indeed does allow the capsule of either party involved in it to be attacked and destroyed while it is active.
If you have lost a Pod in a duel between Feb. 19th (when Dueling was introduced), and Feb. 27th (when the text on the feature page has been corrected) please feel free to file a petition regarding a capsule destruction within a duel and we will look into the matter of reimbursing lost implants and clone costs on a case by case basis. Please keep in mind that due to the current petition load, it unfortunately may take a few days before we will get to your petition, so please be patient in this regard. Also keep in mind that Pod Kills which happened within a Limited Engagement acquired through other means than a successful duel request are considered normal game play and will not be eligible for reimbursement unless other and independent issues warrant it. GM Karidor | Senior Game Master |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3550
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:06:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote: What else could "existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest" mean? This is just another shining example of what I meant when I said that 90% of eve makes bad assumptions.
The wiki is often updated by ISD member who themselves don't completely grasp the finer points of Eve Mechanics. It's the last place I look for authoritative documentation.
THAT statement is vague beyond belief. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3550
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:08:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:
The current mechanic has been described already, so I'll not go into too much detail other than confirming that a Limited Engagement (whether caused by a successful duel request or other mechanics) will stay active for 5 minutes after the last aggressive action between the two pilots involved, and that it indeed does allow the capsule of either party involved in it to be attacked and destroyed while it is active.
Thank You.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
37
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:08:00 -
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Just learn to instawarp after you ship explodes.
There is no need to die, no bubbles are involved.
But real Gentleman accepts the fact that he sucks in PVP and lost this duel, so he needs to be podded. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3550
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:10:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:
My point is that anyone can get podded any time. Anywhere.
Gee....after 3 years of playing I had no idea
The point was whether it was 'allowed' with no CONCORD response when a Duel was 'over'.
You have a comprehension issue we can see that much. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3648
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:17:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:Hello everyone. We noticed this particular bit of incorrect information on the Retribution feature page for dueling a few days ago and have taken steps to correct it back then, but unfortunately this isn't quite an immediate process for various reasons. However, by the time I am posting this the feature page has been corrected for all language versions of the page to reflect the correct situation (see http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/). The current mechanic has been described already, so I'll not go into too much detail other than confirming that a Limited Engagement (whether caused by a successful duel request or other mechanics) will stay active for 5 minutes after the last aggressive action between the two pilots involved, and that it indeed does allow the capsule of either party involved in it to be attacked and destroyed while it is active. If you have lost a Pod in a duel between Feb. 19th (when Dueling was introduced), and Feb. 27th (when the text on the feature page has been corrected) please feel free to file a petition regarding a capsule destruction within a duel and we will look into the matter of reimbursing lost implants and clone costs on a case by case basis. Please keep in mind that due to the current petition load, it unfortunately may take a few days before we will get to your petition, so please be patient in this regard. Also keep in mind that Pod Kills which happened within a Limited Engagement acquired through other means than a successful duel request are considered normal game play and will not be eligible for reimbursement unless other and independent issues warrant it. Perfect. Please tell everyone involved thanks for getting that taken care of so quickly.
It's appreciated. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2899
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote: What else could "existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest" mean? This is just another shining example of what I meant when I said that 90% of eve makes bad assumptions.
The wiki is often updated by ISD member who themselves don't completely grasp the finer points of Eve Mechanics. It's the last place I look for authoritative documentation.
THAT statement is vague beyond belief.
Not really. "Creates a 5 minute Limited Engagement and all normal rules for limited engagements apply" is pretty concrete. That's precisely what " then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters. From here, the existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest" means. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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