1.One or both of the participants' ships have been destroyed.

2.Exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.

So why did i get podded (40mil) Clone (13mil)...in 0.9 space.

You can and probably will get podded after losing a duel.

I do agree that CCP isn't clear on this with the in-game instructions regarding a duel, it's rather misleading.

A duel ends when one of two conditions are met:

1.One or both of the participants' ships have been destroyed.

2.Exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.

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So why did i get podded (40mil) Clone (13mil)...in 0.9 space.

Because that little squishy sound your pod makes just as it explodes into tiny little pieces is so addictive

Edited for crap spelling :P

So players can now officially pod each other in high security with no Concord reprisal and no security status hit if they're in a duel?

Heh, seems CCP conveniently forgot to include that little bit of information.



DMC

I like the way CCP implemented duels into EVE. They don't even really matter, per se.

It's even more fun when people swear to you that starting a duel prevents other people from interfering, stops at the pod, and (best so far) ends at 1 struct.

This is EVE. E-bushido is out the window. If i can convince you to restrict yourself to some silly rules like "1v1", I'm bringing 5 bros to explod you.

It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach

I'm quite aware of the risks taken in PvP but when ccp state on their brag page that a duel ends when "One or both of the participants' ships have been destroyed." I expected to grats my challenger and head in for anouther ship. I have sent a petition but im guessing thousands have done the same....

This isn't Goldshire.

Maybe, but there's a difference between that, and flat out lying about a game mechanic which sounds like is the current state of things. Not just misleading, as it says specifically after one or both ships are destroyed.

Staying docked is a good way to avoid this unsavoury stuff

2. Exchange of fire ceases for more than five minutes, allowing the timer to run out, concluding the limited engagement period.

Being able to pod kill after a duel? Kind of takes all the fun out of it.

Cheap ship, duel, lose, nice fun.
100 mill implants, duel, lose, crying rivers for years after. Swear never to duel again.

The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.

The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.

The introduction of the Dueling system is absurd and does not belong in EVE.
This is just another slab of concrete in the sandbox.
I hope CCP realise how badly this waters down EVE combat and removes this feature post-haste.
Terrible feature.

It's the Eve way... "they'll figure it out when it happens and be better for it" approach is the best approach

I don't know how it would take more than 3 brain cells firing in unison to figure this one out when dueling was announced.

Crimewatch 2.0 made any and all CONCORD-sanctioned PvP in highsec include the legal destruction of pods as a possible outcome. How people concluded that a Limited Engagement bourn from a duel invite would be any different is beyond me.

Well, actually it's not beyond me. 90% of eve is really really good at making bad decisions based on bad assumptions.

Because that little squishy sound your pod makes just as it explodes into tiny little pieces is so addictive

The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.

What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?

The limited documentation states the Duel is OVER once a ship is destroyed. Therefore, podding afterward with the Duel OVER merits a CONCORD response.

What is so impenetrable in understanding that ?

...if the target accepts the challenge, then a 5-minute Limited Engagement is created between the two characters. From here, the existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest (Punishing neutral remote-reps, extending the life-time of the engagement due to module activation etc).

Expecting CCP to provide information on game mechanics may be asking too much.....I'm not sure they know what's happening themselves...

However, Pods have been free game since Crimewatch, in any type of limited engagement.

I see this happen all the time. Pods left sitting there, then blown up. I'm assuming a lot of people still don't know (or rather, a lot of people are still finding out) that Limited Engagements allow for podding.

OP never said whether there was a Concord response.

I don't know how you could have come up with that info. Care to cite your source? I'll cite mine:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74208



Emphasis mine.

I see nothing about podding in your source.

Nor here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Duel

The point is the documentation is not clear at all.

The only thing CLEAR is that "the duel is over once a ship is destroyed".

EDIT: and it does not help that OP did not clarify whether or not there was a CONCORD response.

I matters not to me personally, but that is a rather important point for those interested in such a mechanic. And I would like to know just because.

That is exactly the problem here.

You make no sense. The duel was over and he got podded. Likely whomever podded him was whacked. End of story.

What you think that he should have been immune to podding? AFTER THE DUEL WAS OVER?

A duel is over when the Limited Engagement timer between the people involved expires, not when a ship is destroyed.

What else could "existing Crimewatch mechanics take care of the rest" mean? This is just another shining example of what I meant when I said that 90% of eve makes bad assumptions.

The wiki is often updated by ISD member who themselves don't completely grasp the finer points of Eve Mechanics. It's the last place I look for authoritative documentation.

The current mechanic has been described already, so I'll not go into too much detail other than confirming that a Limited Engagement (whether caused by a successful duel request or other mechanics) will stay active for 5 minutes after the last aggressive action between the two pilots involved, and that it indeed does allow the capsule of either party involved in it to be attacked and destroyed while it is active.

My point is that anyone can get podded any time. Anywhere.

Hello everyone.

We noticed this particular bit of incorrect information on the Retribution feature page for dueling a few days ago and have taken steps to correct it back then, but unfortunately this isn't quite an immediate process for various reasons. However, by the time I am posting this the feature page has been corrected for all language versions of the page to reflect the correct situation (see http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/).

The current mechanic has been described already, so I'll not go into too much detail other than confirming that a Limited Engagement (whether caused by a successful duel request or other mechanics) will stay active for 5 minutes after the last aggressive action between the two pilots involved, and that it indeed does allow the capsule of either party involved in it to be attacked and destroyed while it is active.

If you have lost a Pod in a duel between Feb. 19th (when Dueling was introduced), and Feb. 27th (when the text on the feature page has been corrected) please feel free to file a petition regarding a capsule destruction within a duel and we will look into the matter of reimbursing lost implants and clone costs on a case by case basis. Please keep in mind that due to the current petition load, it unfortunately may take a few days before we will get to your petition, so please be patient in this regard. Also keep in mind that Pod Kills which happened within a Limited Engagement acquired through other means than a successful duel request are considered normal game play and will not be eligible for reimbursement unless other and independent issues warrant it.

THAT statement is vague beyond belief.

Hello everyone.

We noticed this particular bit of incorrect information on the Retribution feature page for dueling a few days ago and have taken steps to correct it back then, but unfortunately this isn't quite an immediate process for various reasons. However, by the time I am posting this the feature page has been corrected for all language versions of the page to reflect the correct situation (see http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/).

Complaining about the new system (other than this quirk that needs to be ironed out) is simply posturing... and you're better than that.

Once again, what's the friggin' point of a "duel"? You want peeveepee, go get it. You don't want to get podded, go RvB and hope the other guy abides by the rules.

You want weenie fights where you both shake hands after someone yields? Play Aeon.

They really don't. CCP gets to define the terms. People may then feel free to point to a dictionary or some assumption they made about the words CCP chose to use, in which case CCP either gets to say "You know, that's right, its a bit confusing" or, more often, they will point and laugh and circle your petition around the office to snicker at behind your back.

That is exactly the problem here.

Although I will say that the podding animation is really bad because at first I thought I survived and got into the station.

I like the way CCP implemented duels into EVE. They don't even really matter, per se.

It's even more fun when people swear to you that starting a duel prevents other people from interfering, stops at the pod, and (best so far) ends at 1 struct.

This is EVE. E-bushido is out the window. If i can convince you to restrict yourself to some silly rules like "1v1", I'm bringing 5 bros to explod you.

A pod is a ship

The term limited engagement is relativly easy to understand.... when a battle report is written and it says "limited engagement" with the enemy it does not mean a timeout was called to discuss roe or when to tap out... mean they briefly fought each other and disengaged.

I bet a lot of high SP players just flushed this feature. I thought this was going to be a casual fun thing to do, didn't know it was going to be a stealth null sec training scenario...

Ah yes, I got podded in my first duel. Flying a crapfit Ferox against a Rupture who clearly knew what he was doing.

I'm not entirely surprised I got podded though. Just miffed that I forgot docking requests had a longass delay. Then again, I had like 10mil in my head and the guy ransomed my Ferox for 50mil (the fits was only like 40mil cumulative), so I declined his offer and he exploded me.

Then I remembered that you're supposed to warp to a nearby something. Oh well. Although I will say that the podding animation is really bad because at first I thought I survived and got into the station.

Yeah, OK.

That's like saying firing a Nuclear Missile is just a 'Limited Engagement' since it can be done very quickly. I will admit it would definitely make the engagement 'Brief'. I wouldn't use the term 'Limited Engagement' to describe it though.

'Limited Engagement' means that one party or all parties involved have placed limits and or restrictions in the engagement, ie, using conventional weapons instead of using Nuclear / Chemical weapons, etc.

Anyway, this topic is now a dead horse.

I agree.

This could have been a very good isk sink as well as a way to interest or coax PvE players into doing some PvP combat. Since it's a new mechanic just added to the game, the dueling option will probably get used for a while. However, due to getting podded enough times, players will just end up going back to can flipping to do their ship dueling.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Good luck to everyone participating in the so called 'Limited Engagement' high security combat.


DMC

Well, seems CCP really needs to be a lot more selective when choosing specific words to describe something. Using the term 'Limited Engagement' is very misleading to say the least, just like the term 'High Security'.

I wasn't aware that the old can trick to legally start a fight kept people from podding each other.

You want weenie fights where you both shake hands after someone yields? Play Aeon.

We noticed this particular bit of incorrect information on the Retribution feature page for dueling a few days ago and have taken steps to correct it back then, but unfortunately this isn't quite an immediate process for various reasons. However, by the time I am posting this the feature page has been corrected for all language versions of the page to reflect the correct situation (see http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/dueling/).

So you're saying professional boxing is weenie fights?

Staying docked is a good way to avoid this unsavoury stuff

I would say they are, too much posturing, too many rules.

You stole my tattoo!!

I like the duel system as is, though it should be made clear that they get to kill ya and pop your pod too!

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a good professional boxer will beat the tar out of a down and dirty street fighter.
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I thought you could be legally podded for can flipping pre-CW2.0. And I'm quite sure that being a suspect allows you to be legally podded: