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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:30:00 -
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Here are a few confessions.
I've been playing eve for about 6 months. I find it really captivating, but i'm interested most in pvp. I got a taranis thinking that i'd be able to kill at least a few people. I can't find anyone weaker than me! I feel like i'd have to play for like another 2 years before I could lord it over anyone, 'own', or 'pwn' so to speak. I got killed yet again tonight, I will spare you the details. To put it bluntly, I'm crap. Is there any fun in the world of eve for someone who is crap? I'll be a punch bag, won't I? Should I just start mining or something? I get more and more skills, yet I'm still crap and it seems whatever setup I use, my enemies always end up making me look like a pansy.
Spare me your pity.. I just felt like confessing this..
Yours truly,
An ex eve-online player
:'(
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:33:00 -
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practice makes perfect
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:35:00 -
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Find a pvp corp that can take you under it's wing. You'd be surprised just how many Alliances, pirates, pk'ers, mercs will all be willing to take you in.
Oh and, watch alot of eve vids.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:37:00 -
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Get in a corp that does PvP, learn good ship setups etc. (At 6 months old you are about on par with a 2 year old player in an inty)
Spar with corp mates till you learn your limits.
You can earn enough ISK to buy an inty a day quite easily. Buy a job lot and set em up and have some fun.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:37:00 -
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if you are serious you would send me your ISK...
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:52:00 -
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I'm sorry, I really dont want to do this, but I have to..
Can I have your stuff?
Respect the Domi. Or else. |
Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.07 00:56:00 -
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Two years to pwn?!?! WTF? Are we playing the same game?
Proud member of Elite Academy. |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.07 01:08:00 -
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Tell you what, losing an interceptor, especially a taranis.. is about the easiest thing that can happen to you. I probably go through five a month, and probably dozens since the first one I got over a year ago.
Its not a huge deal, but it will drain your isk pretty fast if you don't have a lot. Interceptors are paper thin, and you're getting into web/scramble range in yours. A hard sneeze will send you to structure. Of course people can be smartasses and fit plates, but in the end you're a very expensive, very fragile paper bag.
My advice.. if you suck, and are geniunely looking to get better and to "pwn", I suggest you use a Thorax instead. Put a 1600 plate on it, some heavy drones, mwd, web, disruptor, and either light neutrons or 150mm then go screw with someone.
If you die, you lose maybe 3-4mil worth of junk. Remember, insurance covers tech 1, it doesn't cover tech 2. On the other hand, anything you kill will get majorly pranked.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.07 01:10:00 -
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Most experienced PvPers I know lose ships every day, or at least nearly, at least those who fight a lot.
But its more skill than skill points.
Skill is often knowing which battles you can and cannot fight.
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Proud member of the [23].
Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day. |
theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 01:12:00 -
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Get in a PVP corp. You wont be killing people solo until you get a lot of experience. But its easy to be valuable in a gang.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
-- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure. |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.07 01:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Metal Heart
I got a taranis thinking that i'd be able to kill at least a few people.
In a Taranis you should be able to kill quite a few people 
Get into a corporation that really knows the "PvP ropes" and you'll be killing loads of stuff.
Now, cancel your cancelling of your subscription, find a good team and get back into the game 
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Ra'virr
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Posted - 2005.08.07 01:32:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2005.08.07 02:36:00 -
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I lost a 800mil fited raven to pvp 3 days ago and 200mil fited scorp yester day.
Losing ships comes with the job. Cardinal rule #1 Dont fly ships you cant lose over and over and over again. =)
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Lady Beeblebrox
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Palthos
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Posted - 2005.08.07 02:39:00 -
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Go try wow, it'll be good for about a month. Afterwards you may be ready to come back to EVE.
Oh, and make sure you are training while you're gone.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:03:00 -
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skills and time in game mean nothing unless you have practice on using them
Elements of good pvper:
1)ship setup
2)the right ship for the job (no one ship will take you to the top)
3)manuevering and flying (sounds simple but there are a lot of things you can do wrong, i.e. orbit vs. straight on)
4)good corp and gangmates (ships in eve are meant to be flown (mostly) with other ships to compliment)
5)skills beyond the "minimum" required to use module (i.e. tech II laser can be used at beam spec 1 but you get alot better results when you train to 4 and 5)
6)fly what you can replace
7)scrimmage,practice, and try try again. its frustrating as hell at first but once you get better you really enjoy it more. First cherry-pop kill 4tw! 
8)train your friends too, it doesn't help you if you got "omg what do i do" pilots flying with you
theres more but thats a good start 
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:05:00 -
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As many have said before me, join a good corp that will show you the ropes. When i was 6 months old i was flying around in my caracal fighting wars, i wasnt "teh pwn" so i lost alot of ships but it was so much fun since i was flying around with fun people doing what i liked. So give eve another shot.
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:21:00 -
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ive been really encouraged by you all. i have been taken in by a group of good pvpers but i dont want to burden them with all my death killmails. tbh, i do research ship setups etc and i got on pretty well in single player missions with the thorax. i have therefore decided to setup my thorax like this:
High:
5xtI light neutrons (i can use tII, but i'll only lose them anyway and they are cheaper)
Mid:
1xweb 1xscrambler 1xmwd
Low:
1x1600mm plate
1xmed armor repairer
3xdamage mods
should i swap the damage mods for cap relays? still a bit confused on the lowslots. dont wanna get nossed again, that sucked, i died from a vexor it totally owned my taranis :'(
cheers for all the support.
i have uncancelled my cancellation :)
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subvert
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:27:00 -
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real time skill system. Yes, anyone in tech 2 is going to own you. You are a punching bag to veterans. Get used to it
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Heart
Here are a few confessions.
I've been playing eve for about 6 months. I find it really captivating, but i'm interested most in pvp. I got a taranis thinking that i'd be able to kill at least a few people. I can't find anyone weaker than me! I feel like i'd have to play for like another 2 years before I could lord it over anyone, 'own', or 'pwn' so to speak. I got killed yet again tonight, I will spare you the details. To put it bluntly, I'm crap. Is there any fun in the world of eve for someone who is crap? I'll be a punch bag, won't I? Should I just start mining or something? I get more and more skills, yet I'm still crap and it seems whatever setup I use, my enemies always end up making me look like a pansy.
Spare me your pity.. I just felt like confessing this..
Yours truly,
An ex eve-online player
:'(
Best bet, blow up noobships. Velators,shuttles, Iteron I's in 0.4 space so you can strike and warp quickly.
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Killage
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:35:00 -
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i can almost use tII med blasters, can already use tII repairers and blasters. i just cant be arsed to fit them because i will lose them. im gonna be a coward and bring down a few haulers, that'll make me feel better
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:36:00 -
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killage isnt my alt.... honest
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Heart
ive been really encouraged by you all. i have been taken in by a group of good pvpers but i dont want to burden them with all my death killmails. tbh, i do research ship setups etc and i got on pretty well in single player missions with the thorax. i have therefore decided to setup my thorax like this:
High:
5xtI light neutrons (i can use tII, but i'll only lose them anyway and they are cheaper)
Mid:
1xweb 1xscrambler 1xmwd
Low:
1x1600mm plate
1xmed armor repairer
3xdamage mods
should i swap the damage mods for cap relays? still a bit confused on the lowslots. dont wanna get nossed again, that sucked, i died from a vexor it totally owned my taranis :'(
cheers for all the support.
i have uncancelled my cancellation :)
Dont fit damage mods - fit hardners, active if you can. Not sure how to make the fitting work (dont fly Gallente) but it should fit with light neutrons.
The thorax's biggest asset is the 8 heavy drones it can carry. If you don't have the skills then train them now! It's probably about 10 days to be able to run 8 heavies.
What somebody else said is so true. Learn to pick your fights. Sometimes its ok to run away.
Good luck
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 03:44:00 -
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Cheers Deja.
Think I'll try the hardeners I have the skills to fit them (had them on my megathron, lost it on a lvl3 mission being careless)
I seriously pick the worst fights. I'm itching for my .............first kill... so i go for anyone
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.08.07 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Heart
Cheers Deja.
Think I'll try the hardeners I have the skills to fit them (had them on my megathron, lost it on a lvl3 mission being careless)
I seriously pick the worst fights. I'm itching for my .............first kill... so i go for anyone
hehe, damn. you have terrible luck. L3s can be done in a thorax :)
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 04:13:00 -
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yeah they were too easy in a mega, i just happened to push it too far with some drones and couldnt warp out in time.
ok - ive fitted em, thermic and kinetic hardeners now. i have elec+engin lvl5 so i managed to just about fit all that on.
problem is, dont have a very fast cap recharge now. should i drop the web (as i wont bother taking down small fast things, i just wanna kills cruisers/haulers) and go for a cap battery or recharger? worried about keeping all that stuff going
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.08.07 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox
I lost a 800mil fited raven to pvp 3 days ago and 200mil fited scorp yester day.
The Raven you had in Frulegur? was so atempting that day, but im a carebear at hart 
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HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.08.07 04:55:00 -
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ugh lost count of how many taranises ive lost...30+ ;( stupid pre missle balance cruise missles  .
Don't get down m8, its a learning process...you will fall and fall...and fall lol :P but each time youll gain more knowledge, just stick with it. As the people above said, find a good pvp corp to show you the ropes.
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.08.07 05:02:00 -
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dont get discouraged mate ijust got blown up a few hours ago in my crow doing something really dumb :) Its all part of the game. Just keep trying.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.08.07 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/08/2005 05:08:59
What the guy who posted right before me said. I've been trying to blow up one particular RKK member for the last couple of days, now, but he keeps running. (May have something to do with the fact that his ishtar goes halfway into armor from one volley of my 1400's, but...)
Hang in there, man. It'll get better. Just get yourself in tight with a good PvP corp who can teach you the ropes - there's always more to learn, and always new tactics being devised as new equipment comes out. Who knows? Perhaps you'll be one of the ones to do so.
-Wrayeth |
Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.07 07:41:00 -
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lolz
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.08.07 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Palthos
Go try wow, it'll be good for about a month. Afterwards you may be ready to come back to EVE.
Oh, and make sure you are training while you're gone.
Quoted for truth.
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NeoThermic
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:13:00 -
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DonŠt quit - keep practising.
Learn who you can and cannot fight, most of pvp is knowing when to fight, and when to run to the hills. In certain ships you may end up doing more running than you had hoped for, but at least you stay alive. IGNORE anything your opponent puts in local (unless itŠs nice) and always try to use your weaknesses as strengths. (If youŠre small and theyŠre big, youŠre mobile and theyŠre slow. YouŠre hidden, theyŠre exposed)
DonŠt fight battles you know you canŠt win, there are no heros in space.
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Wizard
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:23:00 -
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Get a tech1 cruiser fit it out and go have some fun.
The insurance payout covers loss better for cruiser isk/risk in my opinion better than any other in game.
Pick a quiet time to get into 0.0 safely, like the second after d/t.
Make yourself a mid gate ss, and scan ships entering system, if your setup for anti frig and older players do show info on you, they might become foolish and think they can take you easily.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:32:00 -
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Quote:
I'm crap. Is there any fun in the world of eve for someone who is crap?
Plenty!
Go find some decent fighters and hang out with them  If you're lucky, they won't even notice you're just zooming about not managing to hit the broadside of a barn in all the action
Worked for me 
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NeoThermic
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Posted - 2005.08.07 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest
Quote:
I'm crap. Is there any fun in the world of eve for someone who is crap?
Plenty!
Go find some decent fighters and hang out with them If you're lucky, they won't even notice you're just zooming about not managing to hit the broadside of a barn in all the action
Worked for me
worked for me too... then i started to learn how to actually fight :D
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.07 10:16:00 -
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Ehhh 2 years and nuthin', I'm a lost cause
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Tulor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tulor on 07/08/2005 11:19:05
try a destroyer, they are dirt cheap to lose and they are very very unforgiving meaning that if you learn how to fly one of these with success you will be able to own in a interceptor!
Thrasher 4TW!
Oh, and if you are going thorax I suggest finding a way to fit active hardners and some small or medium nosses instead of so many guns if you are taking the plate route.
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Engelious Angelion
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:23:00 -
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Hmm...strange my account has had 5 active skill traning months, and im doing fine??
think you just need to learn it, or get the correct fittings
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:35:00 -
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Join a good PvP corp and learn to PvP from a mentor. A novice shouldn't be able to just move in and start killing experienced pilots.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:44:00 -
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I am very new to the game myself (8days) and i will be subscribing, this i know for sure. Obviously being 8 days old EVERYONE (well 95% of everyone) will be better than me no matter how long i play or what i do. Obviously I'm going to have to compensate with strategy ALOT, or make some friends, or both.
I am not a whiner (I have lost 3 caldari merlins already with roughly 3-5mil in mods on each in my first 8 days alone, i can take it, and revenge will be mine someday be it by my hand or a group of corpmates, when i find one) The only thing that bugs me is I will never ever be on par with any vet player (skill wise)in this game ever.... no matter how much effort or time i put into this game.... i will always be lower. I can accept this, but in the back of my mind it bugs me, just a little.
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 13:14:00 -
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Where are you at the moment Vaugue?
Would it be ok for me to.. just kill you? Damn I need a kill.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.08.07 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: NeoThermic
DonŠt fight battles you know you canŠt win, there are no heros in space.
Oh there are, but you need to have "Biomass" ticked in your overview to find them...
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.07 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: NeoThermic
DonŠt fight battles you know you canŠt win, there are no heros in space.
This is the hallmark of mediocrity.
I will trade a half-dozen losses outnumbered and outgunned for one improbable victory screenshotted or FRAPSed.
Which is more impressive? Someone who has lost one inty in the last two months, or someone who has lost 6 but has solo battleship killmails?
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Metal Heart
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Posted - 2005.08.07 16:27:00 -
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I'm definitely with you there blind fear. I'm not scared of dying, just want to kill, that's all.
How about this setup for thorax-? Scared of running out of cap again
High
3xmed neutron blasters
2xmed nos
Mid
mwd
web
scrambler
low
tII(?) armour rep
3xhardeners
1xmag stab
i have elec/eng lvl 5 and some other cap skills
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
The only thing that bugs me is I will never ever be on par with any vet player (skill wise)in this game ever.... no matter how much effort or time i put into this game.... i will always be lower. I can accept this, but in the back of my mind it bugs me, just a little.
Yes you can. Everyone eventually max out their skills and then you're on par with skill points vs a vet player that chose the same path as you.
"We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." |
Gunship
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:55:00 -
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hint!
It's a team game.
Join a PvP corp, fly a cheap frig for a while and learn on the job.
I have seen outstanding pilots with only 2-3 weeks eve behind them.
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without
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Posted - 2005.08.07 20:32:00 -
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yep join a pvp corp, try recruitment channel,
intercepter is crap alone,
seems u want a thorax setup
5 t2 150mm guns, with antimatter, lead and iron in cargo
8heavy explosive or EM drones, i tend to use explosive
kin, therm, exp, hardeners, t2 med rep, 1600mm plate
in mids, a good webber, 20km scram, AFTERBURNER
that setup is practically a HAC
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:51:00 -
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Thorax:
5x Medium Beam II
1x 10mn MWD
1x Webber
1x Scrambler
1x 1600mm Nanofiber
2x Hardener
1x CPR
1x Heat Sink II
8x Berserkers
Cheap and effective.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: NeoThermic
DonŠt fight battles you know you canŠt win, there are no heros in space.
This is the hallmark of mediocrity.
You know I think you're wrong. That is a hallmark of awareness. Why take on a fight you know you can't win?
If I had an ISK for every time the PFM were accused of cowardice I wouldn't have to agent *****, but you know what? We get kills, and we win fights. Knowing which is is one you can win makes sense, especially to a char who is getting disheartened.
Having said all that, I admire your bravery. Just not tactically sound
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:16:00 -
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Yay !
We've taken him on, He's learning Fast, Once he's learned a bit We'll move him on. |
TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:17:00 -
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WTS
1 METAL HEART
Hard working Slave.
Bids start at :
1 isk contact me in game ASAP PLEASE
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eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Amataras
practice makes perfect
yeap
remember this - your expirence and "personal" skills are as important if not more important than your characters "eve" skills
drop the ranis - get a clone and a rifter - go into allaince space (0.0) and gank some haulers
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