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Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:25:00 - [1] - Quote I'm a serious newb, so bear with me. I'm also no PvP'er. At this point in my career, I'm simply a flying joke. So I was attempting to dock at a station in a seriously high security area in Gallente space, when all of a sudden my overview shows a criminal/pirate icon flashing (had skull and crosses). I was in an Amarr Coercer outfitted with 8 radio lasers. I opened fire on him and hit him with 5 or 6 volleys of all 8 lasers before he knew what hit him. At that point he turned around and returned fire, plus released a ton of drones. It then became apparent to me that this was some kind of heavy cruiser - can't remember the type. I just know that one hit stripped off my entire shields, and I just warped out of there as fast as I could before I could take another hit. Fortunately, I lived. Here's the part that surprised me. I got 3 timers out of this. One timer was for "aggression against another pilot" which stopped me from using stargates, and I believe docking as well. The other two were limited engagement and something else. But my question is about the first timer. I had safety on, so from my understanding I should not have been able to fire at another pilot unless he 'deserved' it so to speak. He was also flashing some kind of criminal or pirate icon, so apparently (afaik) he was 'fair game'. Also, I didn't have Concord or police breathing down my neck after this, so I assume I didn't act illegally, yet I still got this flag for 'aggression against another pilot.' Is this what should have happened? Can anyone explain? Why couldn't I use stargates or dock at a station (I'd understand if I acted improperly)? Secondly, how was he able to fly around sentry guns and cops and everything else freely without any repercussions? Note that I'm not complaining about anything, nor do I want anything changed, nerfed, etc. I'm just trying to understand the rules is all. (Oh, forgot to mention, after the encounter I checked the guy and he had over 300 million bounty on his head. Not sure if that's considered a 'lot' to most folks, but it's a lot to me!)
Skeln Thargensen The Scope Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:30:00 - [2] - Quote he was flashy yellow? that means he's a suspect. you shot at him so you get suspect flagged too so you get locked down in the system. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1643	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:32:00 - [3] - Quote The PvP flag (aggressed another pilot) you always get for shooting another pilot, irrelevant of why or who. You also got a weapons flag because you fired a weapon. CCP decided that if you fire on a suspect he gains the right to shoot you back. So he did. Be glad he did no not get you with a warp disruptor, and grats on being aggressive and surviving. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Rutger Janssen Xanadu 55	Posted - 2013.02.28 00:37:00 - [4] - Quote Skeln Thargensen wrote: he was flashy yellow? that means he's a suspect. you shot at him so you get suspect flagged too so you get locked down in the system. That's not true. Shooting a suspect doesn't make you a suspect! The flag you got were limited engegament, weapons flag and pvp flag. Limited engagement allows the other person to shoot you without concord repurcussion while it's active. PvP flag prevents you from disappearing when you log out so you can't just log off when you see you're loosing. You do emergency warp if you're not warp disrupted but you stay in space while it's active and can be probed down. The pvp timer prevents you from docking and using stargets so you're comitted to the fight. You don't want people that are shooting you just dock up right before they're about to pop. Unless they haven't been shooting you for a while(deaggress) Search the forums/dev blogs/internet for better explanations ont he terhms.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 604	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:20:00 - [5] - Quote Hi there! It was me you aggressed. You gained the following three timers: 1. Limited Engagement As soon as you aggress a legal target, you gain a limited engagement timer. This can also be created by accepting a duel request. It essentially just gives you 5 mins to extend the engagement with the target and allows you to shoot freely without goign suspect or criminal yourself. 2. Weapons Timer Any aggressive action you take will earn you a weapons timer of 1 minute. This timer will prevent you from docking, jumping (except WHs), ejecting, or switching ships. Performing logistics that would generate any timer for you will also earn a weapons timer (I.E. inheriting one for remote repairing someone else) 3. Log-off Timer Any aggressive action done to you or by you will generate a 15 minute timer that will prevent you from logging off safely in space. If you have to log off in space, you always want to make sure this goes away first or you may find yourself dead. An exception might be logging off in a POS. I hope you enjoyed the little encounter. I wouldn't have killed you due to your age, but I do like to send newbs scurrying when they aggress. The bounty you pointed out is because I have a tendency to ** people off. Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Tah'ris I'm Denzel Washington.**
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 2898	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:21:00 - [6] - Quote So many people don't understand how this works. It's sad, really. First, let me explain the timers: - Limited engagement (blue): this timer is created between you and one other pilot, either by shooting a legal target or declaring a duel. It lasts for five minutes after the lass aggressive action between the two pilots. NOTE: if they shoot you, it resets your timer. Providing reps or other logistical support to a pilot who has an LE will cause you to be flagged as a suspect. - Recent aggression timer: If you engage in a hostile act against another player, you are prevented from docking in a station or using a jump gate for 60 seconds. Unlike the LE timer, only your actions count here. - Combat logoff timer: This timer prevents your ship from disappearing if you log off. You get a 5 minute timer from NPC combat, and a 15 minute timer from PVP. This timer is refreshed by aggression from either side, meaning that your ship will not disappear so long as they continue to aggress you. - Suspect timer (yellow): You set your safety to yellow and stole something from someone. Now you're yellow on the overview, got that nifty little icon, and anyone can shoot you, but you aren't free to shoot first. When they do, it will created a limited engagement timer between you. NOTE: Limited engagement timers can outlast the suspect timers that originated them. Providing reps or other logistical support to a pilot who is a suspect will cause you to be flagged as a suspect. - Criminal timer (red): Concord be coming for you. Anyone can shoot you. You turned off your safety, shot something, and you will be shot. NOTE: shooting a criminal still generates an LE, allowing them to return fire until concord shows up. Providing reps or other logistical support to a criminal pilot would be really, really stupid. Alright, there are five reasons you can shoot someone in high sec: 1) Their security status is below -5. This means they have committed quite a few criminal acts. 2) They have committed a criminal act and are about to be shot by concord.***** that killmail! 3) You are at war with them. 4) They are a suspect. 5) You have entered into honorably combat via a duel, and gained an LE against them. Every one of those will generate an LE. You won't see the LE timer when you're at war with your target, but it exists because neutral logi support will go suspect if they intervene. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 2898	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote Skeln Thargensen wrote: you shot at him so you get suspect flagged too so you get locked down in the system. facepalm Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:28:00 - [8] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Hi there! It was me you aggressed. Hello good Sir! Thanks for your fine explanation, and thanks for the... uh... 'flying lesson' too, heh heh. Quote: I hope you enjoyed the little encounter. I'm just a scrub, so it doesn't take much to give me a thrill. I guess I was basically a gnat buzzing around you, but it was fun regardless! I'm just glad to be alive! Nice ship btw. Quote: I wouldn't have killed you due to your age... Not sure I believe you here... but thanks. Quote: ...but I do like to send newbs scurrying when they aggress. And scurry I did! Quote: Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Don't think I got any isk, as I didn't kill you, but fly safe, and don't let the bedbugs, er, newb-bugs bite! And thanks to all the other answers too - I understand it a little better, and it mostly makes sense.
Clara Stewart Stewart Collections 20	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:31:00 - [9] - Quote Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 607	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:36:00 - [10] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: Quote: Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Don't think I got any isk, as I didn't kill you, but fly safe, and don't let the bedbugs, er, newb-bugs bite! I sent you a small quantity of isk as a leg up once I saw your forum post. People who help themselves, deserve respect. Posting and seeking out the answer early on in your career shows you'll probably go far in EVE. I'm Denzel Washington.
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 580	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:37:00 - [11] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: I'm a serious newb, so bear with me. I'm also no PvP'er. At this point in my career, I'm simply a flying joke. So I was attempting to dock at a station in a seriously high security area in Gallente space, when all of a sudden my overview shows a criminal/pirate icon flashing (had skull and crosses). I was in an Amarr Coercer outfitted with 8 radio lasers. I opened fire on him and hit him with 5 or 6 volleys of all 8 lasers before he knew what hit him. At that point he turned around and returned fire, plus released a ton of drones. It then became apparent to me that this was some kind of heavy cruiser - can't remember the type. I just know that one hit stripped off my entire shields, and I just warped out of there as fast as I could before I could take another hit. Fortunately, I lived. Here's the part that surprised me. I got 3 timers out of this. One timer was for "aggression against another pilot" which stopped me from using stargates, and I believe docking as well. The other two were limited engagement and something else. But my question is about the first timer. I had safety on, so from my understanding I should not have been able to fire at another pilot unless he 'deserved' it so to speak. He was also flashing some kind of criminal or pirate icon, so apparently (afaik) he was 'fair game'. Also, I didn't have Concord or police breathing down my neck after this, so I assume I didn't act illegally, yet I still got this flag for 'aggression against another pilot.' Is this what should have happened? Can anyone explain? Why couldn't I use stargates or dock at a station (I'd understand if I acted improperly)? Secondly, how was he able to fly around sentry guns and cops and everything else freely without any repercussions? Note that I'm not complaining about anything, nor do I want anything changed, nerfed, etc. I'm just trying to understand the rules is all. (Oh, forgot to mention, after the encounter I checked the guy and he had over 300 million bounty on his head. Not sure if that's considered a 'lot' to most folks, but it's a lot to me!) No pvp? why do you even play mmorpg then? The are games call X3- Terran Conflict. Thats a pve game. I think thats a better choice to play. Eve is based on pvp you can do pve offcourse but whats the point of only farming money and then sitting in dock space..... Its just me or people are that scared to lose a ship. Its only a ship. Its no real thing. Just go outside kick the ball and score. So like real thing go undock, go to low sec get pod killed and start over. Till you know how to defend and how to play agains other people. Thats more fun than only isk farming fest. Thats borring like hell. Just my opinion on your view offcourse.
Galenwade Shrubbery Acquisitions 184	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:47:00 - [12] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Mymuff Tutuff wrote: I'm a serious newb, so bear with me. I'm also no PvP'er. At this point in my career, I'm simply a flying joke. So I was attempting to dock at a station in a seriously high security area in Gallente space, when all of a sudden my overview shows a criminal/pirate icon flashing (had skull and crosses). I was in an Amarr Coercer outfitted with 8 radio lasers. I opened fire on him and hit him with 5 or 6 volleys of all 8 lasers before he knew what hit him. At that point he turned around and returned fire, plus released a ton of drones. It then became apparent to me that this was some kind of heavy cruiser - can't remember the type. I just know that one hit stripped off my entire shields, and I just warped out of there as fast as I could before I could take another hit. Fortunately, I lived. Here's the part that surprised me. I got 3 timers out of this. One timer was for "aggression against another pilot" which stopped me from using stargates, and I believe docking as well. The other two were limited engagement and something else. But my question is about the first timer. I had safety on, so from my understanding I should not have been able to fire at another pilot unless he 'deserved' it so to speak. He was also flashing some kind of criminal or pirate icon, so apparently (afaik) he was 'fair game'. Also, I didn't have Concord or police breathing down my neck after this, so I assume I didn't act illegally, yet I still got this flag for 'aggression against another pilot.' Is this what should have happened? Can anyone explain? Why couldn't I use stargates or dock at a station (I'd understand if I acted improperly)? Secondly, how was he able to fly around sentry guns and cops and everything else freely without any repercussions? Note that I'm not complaining about anything, nor do I want anything changed, nerfed, etc. I'm just trying to understand the rules is all. (Oh, forgot to mention, after the encounter I checked the guy and he had over 300 million bounty on his head. Not sure if that's considered a 'lot' to most folks, but it's a lot to me!) No pvp? why do you even play mmorpg then? The are games call X3- Terran Conflict. Thats a pve game. I think thats a better choice to play. Eve is based on pvp you can do pve offcourse but whats the point of only farming money and then sitting in dock space..... Its just me or people are that scared to lose a ship. Its only a ship. Its no real thing. Just go outside kick the ball and score. So like real thing go undock, go to low sec get pod killed and start over. Till you know how to defend and how to play agains other people. Thats more fun than only isk farming fest. Thats borring like hell. Just my opinion on your view offcourse. Maybe Because he wants to play in the sandbox his/her way funny that ,oh and mmorpg stands for Massively multiplayer online role-playing game i dont see the term PVP in there . Maybe they want to pve with other people ? Maybe he is Roleplaying a carebear !!! Oh and +1 to the OP for shooting , it was a bad idea but fun :)
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.02.28 01:48:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET Hey! I resemble that! And for future reference, I prefer the term 'noob-cakes' if you don't mind. Quote: I sent you a small quantity of isk as a leg up once I saw your forum post. People who help themselves, deserve respect. Posting and seeking out the answer early on in your career shows you'll probably go far in EVE. Thank you good Sir. You are my hero. Quote: No pvp? why do you even play mmorpg then? The are games call X3- Terran Conflict. Thats a pve game. I think thats a better choice to play. Eve is based on pvp you can do pve offcourse but whats the point of only farming money and then sitting in dock space..... Its just me or people are that scared to lose a ship. Its only a ship. Its no real thing. Just go outside kick the ball and score. So like real thing go undock, go to low sec get pod killed and start over. Till you know how to defend and how to play agains other people. Thats more fun than only isk farming fest. Thats borring like hell. Just my opinion on your view offcourse. I didn't mean to imply that I didn't like PvP, or didn't want to try PvP when the time comes (in fact, I do, and I do). I simply meant to say that at this point in time I don't know jack. I'm a nooblet. I'm noob-cakes. I'm noob-escent.
Ptraci Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 1325	Posted - 2013.02.28 02:30:00 - [14] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: But my question is about the first timer. That timer exists simply to prevent people from playing stupid station/gate games. It doesn't matter if it's a legitimate target or not, you shoot at another player, you have to wait a minute before you can dock/jump. Likewise if he shoots back he can't dock for a minute either.
Revman Zim Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda 91	Posted - 2013.02.28 03:40:00 - [15] - Quote Ignore Johan Civire... He is one of those idiots that think if you don't play the game their way, you aren't playing the game. A very Fascist way of thinking. Anyways, good job on taking the initiative and trying something new. The best thing to come out of your experience is... well, Experience. You will be better informed and better prepared for any future engagements. Most of us are not a55holes and understand that new players are the only thing that add content to the EVE universe. Not patches, not ship-balancing, not nullsec or hisec. NEW PLAYERS. Welcome to EVE and good luck!
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1111	Posted - 2013.02.28 04:33:00 - [16] - Quote Tah'ris is pretty dumb, you can kill him pretty easily if you get together with some other people that hate him. (There are a lot of them)
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 5487	Posted - 2013.02.28 05:48:00 - [17] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Tah'ris is pretty dumb, you can kill him pretty easily if you get together with some other people that hate him. (There are a lot of them) Hmmm, for some reason I'm reminded of a story about not throwing stones in a glass house............. DMC
Galenwade Shrubbery Acquisitions 185	Posted - 2013.02.28 06:35:00 - [18] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Tah'ris is pretty dumb, you can kill him pretty easily if you get together with some other people that hate him. (There are a lot of them) Hmmm, for some reason I'm reminded of a story about not throwing stones in a glass house............. DMC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XzFXzabR68
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3865	Posted - 2013.02.28 07:08:00 - [19] - Quote Clara Stewart wrote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET A nooblet that tried. She's already leagues beyond most of the EvE playerbase! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1032	Posted - 2013.02.28 08:32:00 - [20] - Quote Best thread in GD for quite some time. This is not a signature.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2990	Posted - 2013.02.28 08:54:00 - [21] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Hi there! It was me you aggressed. You gained the following three timers: 1. Limited Engagement As soon as you aggress a legal target, you gain a limited engagement timer. This can also be created by accepting a duel request. It essentially just gives you 5 mins to extend the engagement with the target and allows you to shoot freely without goign suspect or criminal yourself. 2. Weapons Timer Any aggressive action you take will earn you a weapons timer of 1 minute. This timer will prevent you from docking, jumping (except WHs), ejecting, or switching ships. Performing logistics that would generate any timer for you will also earn a weapons timer (I.E. inheriting one for remote repairing someone else) 3. Log-off Timer Any aggressive action done to you or by you will generate a 15 minute timer that will prevent you from logging off safely in space. If you have to log off in space, you always want to make sure this goes away first or you may find yourself dead. An exception might be logging off in a POS. I hope you enjoyed the little encounter. I wouldn't have killed you due to your age, but I do like to send newbs scurrying when they aggress. The bounty you pointed out is because I have a tendency to ** people off. Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Tah'ris All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance**
Schmata Bastanold Keep It Burning Stupid 640	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:00:00 - [22] - Quote Heh, I like OP's attitude. Shoot first, ask questions later :) Nah, but seriously it is way better to lose few cheap ships and learn something that will benefit you for the rest of your Eve life than just be another tumbleweed that never tries new things because it may result in their pixels getting exploded. OP, whatever you decide to be your thing in Eve don't ever let other people tell you are playing Eve wrong. You may be wrong at fittings, you may use not proper ships to do your things and on those matter you should seek advice and take critique and help with gratitude. But being miner, mission runner, wardec merc or gate camper or nullsec explorer is your choice and if it gives you fun you want just do it no matter what people say. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Zimmy Zeta RvB - RED Federation 9093	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:00:00 - [23] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Clara Stewart wrote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET A nooblet that tried. She's already leagues beyond most of the EvE playerbase! +1 I tell you a secret about Eve, OP: Most of us are terrible at this game. Don't let the crazy amounts of skillpoints or shiny faction ships fool you: If you know about those aggro timers and if you learn everything you can about tracking/transversals, scram ranges and overheat mechanics, you will already be better than 90% of the other players. edit: flying sober is helpful, too. Please don't feed me.
Alice Saki Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships. 31893	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:04:00 - [24] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Clara Stewart wrote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET A nooblet that tried. She's already leagues beyond most of the EvE playerbase! +1 I tell you a secret about Eve, OP: Most of us are terrible at this game. Don't let the crazy amounts of skillpoints or shiny faction ships fool you: If you know about those aggro timers and if you learn everything you can about tracking/transversals, scram ranges and overheat mechanics, you will already be better than 90% of the other players. edit: flying sober is helpful, too. SHHHHHH!!! Thanks Zimmy <3
bbb2020 Carebears with Attitude 39	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:11:00 - [25] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: I'm a serious newb, so bear with me. I'm also no PvP'er. At this point in my career, I'm simply a flying joke. This is just wrong. You did just pvp in the way pvp is ment to be played in this game, and survived to tell the tale after the fight was lost. Secondly you show more understanding of the game mechanism than most senior players in here. You Sir or Madam - You have my utmost respect.
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:44:00 - [26] - Quote Wow, thanks for all the great feedback and advice. The timers make sense now, I was just under slightly different assumptions about one of them. Also, it seems this game has plenty of friendly players willing to help out a noob (knock on wood), and even one who sends money for being attacked! I salute you all. Oh, my saying I'm no PvP'er was my way of simply saying that I'm no professional when it comes to that, being a noob and all. But I certainly want to explore all aspects, including that. Cheers.
Skorpynekomimi 460	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:38:00 - [27] - Quote This is how EVE is meant to work. Make a mistake, learn from it, help newbies.
BobFenner Black Hole Runners Brainfarts 63	Posted - 2013.02.28 10:40:00 - [28] - Quote Sounds to me like you WILL be a decent pvp'er given more time and practice. I for one salute you. Also - LOVING the character name. My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1615	Posted - 2013.02.28 11:21:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Masterplan - Introducing the new and improved Crimewatch Make sure to read the part on Flags in Detail.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 366	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:25:00 - [30] - Quote Thanks OP, this topic made me smile! GD needed a positive story and you delivered. Now that you know about the normal PVP flags, good luck using them in you tactics. It goes without saying that anyone that attacks you, legally or not, gains the same timers. If you do not agress back, you're in a situation where you can jump gates... but your attacker can't. Good luck!
Malcolm Khross Caldari Provisions Caldari State 617	Posted - 2013.02.28 12:35:00 - [31] - Quote Congratulations on breaking the ice in PvP, the first step is always the hardest and definitely the most important. Seeking the answers will definitely help you out more than getting frustrated and remaining confused, so props on that as well. Your positive attitude combined with your willingness to seek answers and be a little dangerous is what will make you a fantastic pilot, keep it up. Also yes, most of us suck at this game, so trying to learn what you can learn will make you significantly better than most other players. Good luck out there in space and if you ever want some PvP practice you can always find me in space and duel, I'm not the greatest PvPer out there but we all have lessons we can share. ~Malcolm Khross
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 2907	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:09:00 - [32] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. I've come to look at it this way: Highsec is like boxing, lowsec is like MMA, and nullsec is like a drunken brawl. They're all legitimate ways of fighting. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 911	Posted - 2013.02.28 16:17:00 - [33] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: I'm a serious newb, so bear with me. I'm also no PvP'er [EDIT: means I'm no pro when it comes to PvP]. At this point in my career, I'm simply a flying joke. ... I opened fire on him and hit him with 5 or 6 volleys of all 8 lasers before he knew what hit him. ...Fortunately, I lived. EVE. You're doing it right. Congraqtulations on your 'fangs out' approach. Further congratulations on your reflexes and ability to think clearly. Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Hi there! It was me you aggressed. ... I hope you enjoyed the little encounter. I wouldn't have killed you due to your age, but I do like to send newbs scurrying when they aggress. The bounty you pointed out is because I have a tendency to **** people off. Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Tah'ris Classy. +1 Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2991	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:14:00 - [34] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. I've come to look at it this way: Highsec is like boxing, lowsec is like MMA, and nullsec is like a drunken brawl. They're all legitimate ways of fighting. I find this is a better metaphor: Highsec is like a hunting preserve. Yeah, there's game, but there's no hunt and you have to pay fees when you're done. Lowsec is like the woods around a city. You run into the occasional wild animal but need a licence and it isn't free. Nullsec is like the true wilderness. No rules, and you best be able to hunt, because you aren't on top of the foodchain anymore. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Mon Diddies Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore 3	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:33:00 - [35] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Clara Stewart wrote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET A nooblet that tried. She's already leagues beyond most of the EvE playerbase! id say leagues behind, since firing a weapon and not understanding how it works. Dont believe anything you read, and only half of what you see. To be fair dont trust what you hear either.!!!!!!! TINFOIL ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!!
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 916	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:38:00 - [36] - Quote Mon Diddies wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Clara Stewart wrote: Quite simply. YOU ARE A NOOBLET A nooblet that tried. She's already leagues beyond most of the EvE playerbase! id say leagues behind, since firing a weapon and not understanding how it works. "Not understanding" is pretty much the definition of 'n00b.' But by even trying, and then seeking answers to those things that aren't understood? LIGHT YEARS beyond those who never try at all. Many of whom have been playing for years. Crapping on a n00b who demonstrates such admirable characteristics, however? D+¬class+¬. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Minerva Zen Swords of Valor 21	Posted - 2013.02.28 22:42:00 - [37] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: I'm a nooblet. I'm noob-cakes. I'm noob-escent. I propose Noobling.
Mark Munoz Schwarzschild Casimir Collective STR8NGE BREW 77	Posted - 2013.02.28 23:07:00 - [38] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Hi there! It was me you aggressed. You gained the following three timers: 1. Limited Engagement As soon as you aggress a legal target, you gain a limited engagement timer. This can also be created by accepting a duel request. It essentially just gives you 5 mins to extend the engagement with the target and allows you to shoot freely without goign suspect or criminal yourself. 2. Weapons Timer Any aggressive action you take will earn you a weapons timer of 1 minute. This timer will prevent you from docking, jumping (except WHs), ejecting, or switching ships. Performing logistics that would generate any timer for you will also earn a weapons timer (I.E. inheriting one for remote repairing someone else) 3. Log-off Timer Any aggressive action done to you or by you will generate a 15 minute timer that will prevent you from logging off safely in space. If you have to log off in space, you always want to make sure this goes away first or you may find yourself dead. An exception might be logging off in a POS. I hope you enjoyed the little encounter. I wouldn't have killed you due to your age, but I do like to send newbs scurrying when they aggress. The bounty you pointed out is because I have a tendency to **** people off. Fly safe, and enjoy a nice little isk bonus! Tah'ris I vote you win EVE Player of the Week.
Aaldari The Flying Dead Dauntless. 0	Posted - 2013.02.28 23:38:00 - [39] - Quote It's refreshing to see people trying out things that can get them blown up and coming here to ask good questions afterwards.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 3145	Posted - 2013.03.01 00:37:00 - [40] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: [ sensible review of a situation accompanied by a sensible question ] You're doing it right! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Sidrat Flush The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement 126	Posted - 2013.03.01 01:15:00 - [41] - Quote I would appreciate it if you could join my corps public channel PRAX - your thread will be an inspiration to all potential applicants to our corp. I also can't believe I'm the first to do it in this thread. The new home of the Eve Industrial Organiser is here. Enjoy the first in a series, EIO:Refinery now http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/Sidrat/ Read about it http://eveindustrialorganiser.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4086	Posted - 2013.03.01 01:17:00 - [42] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. Last I checked two out of those three timers still apply in nullsec and have the same exact effect. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Celestra Doxaila MinTek Heavy Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.01 01:47:00 - [43] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. I've come to look at it this way: Highsec is like boxing, lowsec is like MMA, and nullsec is like a drunken brawl. They're all legitimate ways of fighting. So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere!
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 922	Posted - 2013.03.01 01:54:00 - [44] - Quote Celestra Doxaila wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: All these silly rules. I love the minimalism of nullsec. No special rules, no silly sec loss, no worrying. Just shoot and the worst that can happen is you can't jump for a bit. I've come to look at it this way: Highsec is like boxing, lowsec is like MMA, and nullsec is like a drunken brawl. They're all legitimate ways of fighting. So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3426	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:10:00 - [45] - Quote silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Celestra Doxaila MinTek Heavy Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:16:00 - [46] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3426	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:19:00 - [47] - Quote Celestra Doxaila wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack. I know pretty well that if you have a hound MWD into its own bomb it will blow up. If your MWD is not on then the bomb damages you then you will survive. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 923	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:21:00 - [48] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack. I know pretty well that if you have a hound MWD into its own bomb it will blow up. If your MWD is not on then the bomb damages you then you will survive. They died. MWD + Bomb = Insurance payout. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Celestra Doxaila MinTek Heavy Industries 49	Posted - 2013.03.01 02:24:00 - [49] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack. I know pretty well that if you have a hound MWD into its own bomb it will blow up. If your MWD is not on then the bomb damages you then you will survive. Guess I was just unlucky and his MWD cycled off before my bomb went off. Glad the other guy's died, however. :)
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1044	Posted - 2013.03.01 08:32:00 - [50] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff, don't let the trolls get to you. They're trolls. It's what they do. It's all they do. EvE Forum Bingo
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2991	Posted - 2013.03.01 09:04:00 - [51] - Quote Celestra Doxaila wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: silens vesica wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: So this means wspace is like ninjas. Stealth bombers everywhere! Heh. Some fairly clueless ninjas, at times. I've seen folks bomb themselves. They of course were MWDing into their own bombs and died, right? Tell me they died. Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack. Not when MWDing. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.03.02 11:36:00 - [52] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Mymuff Tutuff, don't let the trolls get to you. They're trolls. It's what they do. It's all they do. Sort of like that line in the Terminator, eh? "And they absolutely will not stop, EVER, until you are trolled into oblivion!" So to update this thread with yet another boring nooblet story for anyone interested in the life of a noob. So yesterday I was flying around and saw a ship I'd never seen before leaving a station. I looked it up and it was some kind of npc convoy ship. In fact, a convoy was apparently forming to shuttle stuff from one station to another. I quickly pulled up some web pages to read about how this all works. It seems that they are only safe to attack under certain conditions, those conditions being they are entering a station vs. leaving one, and the station owner is the 'right one' so to speak. At any rate I followed this convoy to where it was going. As it was arriving at the destination I wasn't 100% sure the sender wasn't also the receiver, but decided "NO GUTS NO GLORY!" so opened fire with the same destroyer in the first story. No station guns fired on me, I was able to kill all 4 ships. There was way too much booty to fit into my cargo space (that's what SHE said... when pulling on her pants, heh), so I was making runs back and forth to offload it at a station, when lo and behold I see another ship displaying curiosity in my booty (I mean pirate booty, of course). I didn't like this of course, and since this thread taught me to study and memorize the rules of engagement in hi-sec, I knew that if he tried to touch my booty (pirate booty of course), he'd be flagged suspect. What's a girl to do? Decisions decisions. First off, didn't want to bite off more than I could chew ("that's what she said!" - oh stop it already!) like I did with the first engagement, so I pulled up info on his ship. It was a Gallente destroyer, so at least I wasn't outmatched on the ship vs. ship side of the equation. Did this guy even know I was watching him from a distance? Didn't know. I locked onto him (does he get a signal when I do that?) and pressed 'keep at distance' to about 25 kilometers, which my guns are ranged to. I saw a flashing on and off as he was next to one shipwreck. Ah, salvaging. But will he take the next step to stealing? I decided a moving target might be better than stationary, so I changed 'keep at distance' to 'orbit at distance.' My trigger finger was getting itchy. It was then that I thought "I came to chew bubble gum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubble gum." Unfortunately, this story ends with a whimper rather than a bang. He simply salvaged all the wrecks and then warped out. But hey, at least I tried!
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 319	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:08:00 - [53] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: First off, didn't want to bite off more than I could chew ("that's what she said!" - oh stop it already!) like I did with the first engagement, so I pulled up info on his ship. It was a Gallente destroyer, so at least I wasn't outmatched on the ship vs. ship side of the equation. Did this guy even know I was watching him from a distance? Didn't know. I locked onto him (does he get a signal when I do that?) and pressed 'keep at distance' to about 25 kilometers, which my guns are ranged to. Anyone you start to target lock will see it on their overview, unless you have a Passive Targeter module fitted.
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:11:00 - [54] - Quote Takseen wrote: Anyone you start to target lock will see it on their overview, unless you have a Passive Targeter module fitted. Ahh, good info. Perhaps that's why he didn't steal. Next time I won't lock.
bbb2020 Carebears with Attitude 41	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:35:00 - [55] - Quote You tell some good stories bro and you seem too like to tell them. Maybe, just maybe you should consider making a blog about your endeavors in New eden. you'll have at least one follower. On another note. What kind of drop did you get from the convoy. Have always wondered but never gotten around to shooting one myself.
Mymuff Tutuff Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.03.02 12:44:00 - [56] - Quote bbb2020 wrote: You tell some good stories bro Bro-ette. Quote: On another note. What kind of drop did you get from the convoy. Have always wondered but never gotten around to shooting one myself. It was stuff worth a million or two. Consisted of water, antibiotics, batteries, nuclear waste, garbage, a stack of books written by the Amarr emperor, soil, and maybe a few other things.
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 493	Posted - 2013.03.02 14:01:00 - [57] - Quote Quote: I sent you a small quantity of isk as a leg up once I saw your forum post. People who help themselves, deserve respect. Posting and seeking out the answer early on in your career shows you'll probably go far in EVE. THIS.. Eve is not about 'being super carefull and creeping around', Eve is about going out there and enjoying yourself, trying whatever tickles your fancy. Sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose everything, but that's part of the game. Like the intro in the game says, your ability to survive in New Eden rests on your ability to be Bold. Dare to Be Bold, pilot. And you dear OP noob-cakes, are on that road. The only real experience that matters in Eve is not skillpoints, not wealth, but Player Experience. Something you can't buy or train for. It's attained by DOING things. Welcome to Eve.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 944	Posted - 2013.03.02 14:51:00 - [58] - Quote Mymuff Tutuff wrote: bbb2020 wrote: You tell some good stories bro Bro-ette. Quote: On another note. What kind of drop did you get from the convoy. Have always wondered but never gotten around to shooting one myself. It was stuff worth a million or two. Consisted of water, antibiotics, batteries, nuclear waste, garbage, a stack of books written by the Amarr emperor, soil, and maybe a few other things. EDIT: also dairy products and frozen food. Ah. Collectables. No real value, but everyone has some of that stuff littering up their hold. You're thinking, and more importantly, you're researching and doing your homework before pulling the trigger. Well done. I predict great things for you. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3433	Posted - 2013.03.02 14:58:00 - [59] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: Celestra Doxaila wrote: Sadly it usually takes more than one bomb to take out a frigate. And anyone that is clueless enough to bomb themselves probably wouldn't be able to execute a coordinated multi-bomb attack. Not when MWDing. The microwarpdrive, the best module ever to have on while you are about to be hit by ~a thing~ that does damage based on your signature radius. (Bomb, missiles, etc etc) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1263	Posted - 2013.03.02 15:04:00 - [60] - Quote This thread is so awesome, I just want to hug it. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 403	Posted - 2013.03.02 15:21:00 - [61] - Quote Here is the dev blog in case nobody posted it yet. Basically, if they have a flashy red or yellow skull, you can shoot them anywhere without having to worry about Concord http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73443 How the **** do you remove a signature?
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2922	Posted - 2013.03.02 20:08:00 - [62] - Quote Count me in for the OP fanclub. Can we make buttons? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
UKBigWolf 6	Posted - 2013.03.03 00:28:00 - [63] - Quote You also want to consider joining a corporation who will help you learn more as well

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