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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Derisor on 07/08/2005 18:08:08
I dont know about you guys but when I buy bookmarks, I sometimes get some very strange labeling. Therefore I would like to propose some bookmark labeling standards:
Gate to gate:
B-VIP9 -> 6WT-BE
or
Rebilier -> Annelle
The principle point isthat the gate names appear as written on the map, using an arrow to point at the gate the insta goes to.
Unconquerable NPC Stations in a bookmark should appear with planet name and moon name such as the following:
[VI - M1] -> Kamih
or
[VI - M1] -> [V - M1]
Asteroid belts name should be in brackets with number of planet and asteroid belt number. The following is the third bookmark in that belt.
<VI - AB11> 3
Planet bookmarks Should be in round parentheses:
(VI) -> [IV - FNTF]
Midsafes should be labeled with the two gates or entities between which the safe is aligned:
MidSafe ( VII ) <-> Fihrneh
Bookmarks from a star to another entitiy shoudl be labeled with a star:
* -> [IV - FNTF]
This works since it is easy to see the solar system in people and places and also only the appropriate bookmark will be active in a system.
Moon bookmarks should be like a planet with the moon designation:
(V - M3) -> Firneh
Player owned station, conquerable stations, and outposts should use curly braces instead of square and indicate moon and planet.
{VII - M3} -> B-VIP9
If we all can adapt such standards it will be much easier to trade bookmarks.
Comments or suggestions?
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:12:00 -
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I use the following naming:
G) Gate1 -> Gate2
SG) Station1 -> Gate1
GS) Station1 -> Gate1
SS) Safespot #1
A) VII-I Spiffy Arkonor
It groups all the BMs into a nice order in the right click menu 
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Chrais Mrisith
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chrais Mrisith on 07/08/2005 18:17:45
Good luck with getting "Oursulaert -> Alentene" to fit in the menu.
.. and *->Station bms where you have multiple stations at the same object.
Having the arrow pointing like this <- would help, because regardless of the origin, you always know the destination which is important.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Chrais Mrisith
Edited by: Chrais Mrisith on 07/08/2005 18:17:45
Good luck with getting "Oursulaert -> Alentene" to fit in the menu.
.. and *->Station bms where you have multiple stations at the same object.
Having the arrow pointing like this <- would help, because regardless of the origin, you always know the destination which is important.
"Alent <- Ours"
The source is just as important. But then I have people an places open all the time sorted by jump count.
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
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Mak'shar Karrde
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:31:00 -
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I always use the first 4 letters of a origin/destination prefixed with with the planet/moon number or 'G.' for a gate.
For example (origin first, then destination):
G.MAGI - G.AMMO
G.AMMO - 6.12 REPU
6.12 REPU - 1.6 ROID (Where 'ROID' = Asteroid belt)
ALL - 5.6 QUAF (I love nice big stations!)
Works for me.
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Christos Hendez
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:38:00 -
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I suggest you take your bm ideas and shuff em where the sun don't shine. 
You sir are a baboon!
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anister
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Posted - 2005.08.07 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez
I suggest you take your bm ideas and shuff em where the sun don't shine.
You sir are a baboon!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez
I suggest you take your bm ideas and shuff em where the sun don't shine.
You sir are a baboon!
The fact that he's a baboon has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. If you're judging the idea based solely on who it came from, you're going to miss out on a lot of good ideas.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:42:00 -
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Baboons have feelings too!
I prefer the simple Gate -> Gate format. And names that are too long can easily be shortened without causing confusion. Oursalert can be Oursa.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez
I suggest you take your bm ideas and shuff em where the sun don't shine.
You sir are a baboon!
Further proof that some people on this forum flame just to flame. There is nothing inflamatory in this post and yet someone has to be a jerk.
*shakes head*
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The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.08.07 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez
I suggest you take your bm ideas and shuff em where the sun don't shine.
You sir are a baboon!
Actually the idea seems quite useful (apart from the problem with long names).
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.08.08 00:45:00 -
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Or get given a bunch of BM's from a German guy that go....
ABC-12 von 123-bc
The "Von" is "From" in English so the gate to gate jump sequence is reversed.
Try flying and fighting through hostile space crawling with bad guys without the benift of the "insta auto-brain" that one develops through continued use of insta-jumps.
Not nice and Not relaxing. And sometimes fatal. 
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.08.08 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 01:01:24
@ CCP plz consider making the folders you put bookmarks in serverside instead of local... if you get a HDD crash or smth, you are seriously f$#!@% 
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2005.08.08 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 01:00:11
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 00:58:23
@ CCP plz consider making the folders you put bookmarks in serverside instead of local... if you get a HDD crash or smth, you are seriously f#@$!@#$
lucky you edited that. 
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.08.08 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vanamonde
Originally by: Lo3d3R
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 01:00:11
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 00:58:23
@ CCP plz consider making the folders you put bookmarks in serverside instead of local... if you get a HDD crash or smth, you are seriously f#@$!@#$
lucky you edited that.
i know  im learning eh
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Ela B
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:06:00 -
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Good Ideas here, too bad some people come on just to flame for no reason.
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Que Omega
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:31:00 -
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We use symbols -
StartPoint > Endpoint
* - stargate
AB - Asteroid Belt
^ - Station
$$ - Safe spot
! - Entering a Low Sec Region.
so
*stargate1 > *stargate2
*stargate1 > ^station1
^station1 > AB 2-1
$$system1
Sniper spots -
*stargate1 150k
^station1 150k
*Stargate1 > station1 150k
Also the way we organise folders is by destination -
To Stargates:
Contains All BMs that take you TO a stargate from any other point
To Stations:
Contains All BMs that take you TO a station from any other point
To Safe Spots:
Contains All BMs that take you TO a safe spot
makes it a lot easier to find the one you want...
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/08/2005 01:01:24
@ CCP plz consider making the folders you put bookmarks in serverside instead of local... if you get a HDD crash or smth, you are seriously f$#!@%
CCP, please give us more lag to deal with...there's a reason why they store stuff locally, if you can't be bothered to back up your data, its your own fault if it gets lost.
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Something Random
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Posted - 2005.08.16 22:11:00 -
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Dont see much wrong with a Backup BM Folders button and a Restore BM Folders button - as far as i can see theyre tiny files, even a modem could transfer it in a few secs.
Sorry, i know that was off topic and i answered but its sorta valid...
As far as bm naming conventions go - i hope they take up your idea, but symbols confuse... me anyway. I got route instas named route 20... route 19 etc, fine once you used them but confusing, gate to gate name should be standard at the least so anyone can follow them.
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Kvarium Ki
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Posted - 2005.08.16 22:19:00 -
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Could anyone tell me where the bookmarks are stored? backing them up sounds like a good idea but I just can't find them 
K.
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2005.08.16 23:20:00 -
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If i was CCP i would be storing all the player bookmarks on the 1 server which has the all the hard drives which make funny sounds when you run them.
Just sit back and wait for the inevitable hardware failure, apologize for the incovienace then impliment their new BM/travelling scheme in the next patch. 
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.16 23:46:00 -
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I use Station -> Gate#
Simple.
[EvE Domination]
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.08.17 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kvarium Ki
Could anyone tell me where the bookmarks are stored? backing them up sounds like a good idea but I just can't find them
K.
They're on the server. The folders are local, and part of your prefs...
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.08.17 02:51:00 -
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I prefer a different method. The Destination first followed by origin gate. Thusly;
Renyn from Oursalert
Or Renyn (insert symbol) Oursalert
The reasoning behind this is simple. Reading takes time. When you rightclick in space you always know where you are going. The destinations are followed by origins so you can pick a specific one out there. If you list the destination second you have to figure out where you are coming from, look at it, then figure out where you need to go. I have found its faster (especially when fighting) since when you gate the destination shows up first while the closest gate doesn't show untill you have loaded completely.
I used to do bm's the other way, but after using the Destination->Origin method I have found it saves you precious time in the heat of battle.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.08.17 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ela B
Good Ideas here, too bad some people come on just to flame for no reason.
Yes, imagine that.
I like this, but without the arrow.
B-VIP9 to 6WT-BE
or
Rebilier to Annelle
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Shara Courtier
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Posted - 2005.08.17 03:58:00 -
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Well I dont like gate to gate BMs so here is what I do. In every system that I make BMs in I make a BM called Marker (just a ss that I dont use as a ss) From that BM I make instas to the gates/stations/whatever in the system.
Like to name them "To X, Y, etc.
To Marker (also good to use the name of the system)
To (X jumpgate)
To (Y jumpgate)
To (X station)
To (X spot in Y belt)
I like to have the BMs this way becouse
a)fewer and more userfriendly BMs
b)easy to add and change BMs as long as you dont change your Marker.
Only bad thing is that traveling is a bit slower. You get extra 30sec-1min in every system becouse you have to warp twise.
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.08.17 06:09:00 -
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I use a number system in order to properly sort the bookmarks for each menu. Next follows the system I'm travelling to, and afterwards the system where I'm travelling from. Like this:
01. WD-VTV//9K0E-A (name of folder)
02. 9K0E-A//36N-E (name of folder)
The game sorts bookmarks like the escrow system, beginning with numerical and then alphabetical. By starting your bookmarks with numbers, you can control the way in which thy are presented, and keep a simple record of how many make up a set and which ones are missing.
I place the name of the next system before the previous system, because the human brain reads left to right and it's more efficient that way.
I also place the name of the home folder at the end of each bookmark, so that if all the folders get deleted, I know exactly where each bookmark is supposed to go.
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implanted
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Posted - 2005.08.17 06:27:00 -
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to avoid confusion with all the diff symbols you guys are using simply put
rens to onga
onga to rens
station 1 from rens
the 1 denotes top station in system and so on down list
works for me 
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.08.17 06:55:00 -
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I could never buy other people's bookmarks, partly for the inconsistent naming conventions Derisor pointed out, but also because of inconsistent warp-to distances (some people still prefer 15km but I use 20km), and the risk of things like fakes leading to hostile POSs in low-sec, etc. Put simply, if you want something done right...
In my experience, different naming conventions cater to different needs. Sometimes you have a set that covers a region or part of it, and sometimes you have a set that covers one particular route, possibly through multiple regions, there and back.
The first set of bookmarks I was ever given was one of the latter kind, where the two instas for any one system read along the lines of "Y-MPWL TO" and "Y-MPWL FROM". Easy enough to follow, just use the "to"s when heading into 0.0 and the "from"s when heading back.
Now, me being a complete noob, I took this naming convention as gospel at first, because I didn't know any better. But later I started running into problems where - in making my own around Empire - common travel routes began intersecting with each other. Take for example, "Jita FROM"... 'nuff said.
Over time I've inherited several different bookmark collections, each one with their own convention, such as:
Y-MPWL TO
01. EC-P8R to EWOK-K from Torrinos
(01) -to S-U8A4- Chesiette to 6-CZ49
Hakonen (G) -> P3EN-E (G)
Uhodoh - Kari
68FT-6 von H-64KI
As I've continued making my own instas to complement (or in some cases replace) those sets, I've been tinkering with possible conventions of my own.
When I was in JQA I developed a system that went as follows:
[S-U] 6-U to 98Q gate
I liked the idea of being able to read all three relevant system names, even if they were being shortened - I figured most people using them would already be familar with the systems and be referring to many verbally by the first few characters anyway.
In this case, the BM would take you from the 6-U2M8 gate to the 98Q-whatever gate in S-U8A4. I considered using a dash "-" instead of "to" but worried that it might impact on quick readability with the existing dashes in 0.0 system names, so I went with "to" instead.
Including the current system name in each bookmark certainly made lists of bookmarks very easy to dish out to people, especially if they were only missing certain systems for an area - just look for the system names in question at the start of each bookmark.
For a time, all was well, but upon my return to Empire earlier this year I began to struggle with abbreviating Empire system names as easily. [Man], [Keh], [Ash], etc. It just didn't seem as suitable for Empire, but there wasn't enough room to expand those names without losing the rest of the bookmark information when right-clicking.
Finally around April/May I gave up on trying to squeeze that extra system name into my bookmark names, and settled for something that, coincidentally, is a near perfect match for Derisor's first suggested convention in his original post:
Sobaseki -> Niyabainen
Belt VI-1 -> Stn
Stn -> 6-U2M8
ie, from the Sobaseki gate to the Niyabainen gate in Jita, etc. I was tempted to stick with "to", but after hearing about this German set with "von"s and a reversed order of references, I opted for the "->" in the hope that people of all languages would at least be able to interpret that as being an arrow.
Following this convention I've since mapped the better part of four regions, three of which are 0.0, and I'm pretty happy with how it's worked out. And no, you can't have them. 
/Ben
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.08.17 08:23:00 -
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You could do that but its soo dull and is not that much easier for scannig through them.
Here is an example of one of my naming conventions:
RDs Magic BM - Boon base - Nonni
Don't ask what a magic bookmark is, its a secret.
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