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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:12:00 -
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Well, again, I'm a bit new here (almost 9 days) but i think of myself as an inteligent person and i know my stuff. In Corp chat (the rookie one) a guy was trying to get help for the destroyer he "thought" he had bought through escrow. After about 45mins of explaining the escrow and how to recover your items via the assests button, it turns out he spent his 1mil isk on a 2nd ibis. He quit the game on the spot... just an example.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyto
Ok, this is old news.
Let's be honest, if you fall for an escrow scam you're mental, stupid or both. (I once bought a 7m ISK shuttle, you work out which apply to me!)
BOTH!? 
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
it turns out he spent his 1mil isk on a 2nd ibis. He quit the game on the spot... just an example.
I would suggest that Eve removes people not suited for it's environment nice and early. It's like evolution.
"Of course a new predator does not usually drive a species to extinction, the typical outcome is that initially population numbers plunge as the species adapts to the presence of the predator. Over time the population recovers as it evolves strategies for coping with the predator's presence."
Sadly your corpy was removed from the genepool.
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:46:00 -
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That works for species, which have no choice other than to live, because they didn't choose to be here in the first place.
It does not work for games. Any game which sees its population plunge, is almost certain to die as a direct result.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
That works for species, which have no choice other than to live, because they didn't choose to be here in the first place.
It does not work for games. Any game which sees its population plunge, is almost certain to die as a direct result.
If the population plunged below economically viable levels - absolutley. However, escrow scamming isn't killing the game. It hasn't so far, I see no reason why it would.
Escrow scamming is an evolutionary pressure on new players. You'll see I got stung, did I quit? Nope. I learned. I developed a survival strategy (inspecting better, and not playing when drunk/tired).
People who won't be able to face the 'reality' of the world CCP have created will remove themselves pretty quickly, either because they lost cash in an bad escrow, or lost a ship because they didn't read the 0.4 warning properly. The actual trigger is not really relevant, the reason though is they aren't up to the job.
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:56:00 -
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As the escrow is not a market per se but rather a mission that you complete by paying the price and getting the item, items in reward it has never been possible to scam on escrow.
There has however been a large number of very unethical missions available.
The thing about unethical and eve is that being a real A-hole is perfectly OK acording to the rules and if you the "victim" dont take the time to confirm that the reward is on par with the cost then I dont really see why there is a reason to complain.
I would however like to be able to block certain players from my escrow mission list, sure they will keep recycling chars and keep spamming the missions but that may actually become an offence in the end, trying to give a reward of 1 trit for 100mil will never be.
And just so that you know, I do not "scam" on escrow, all my escrow missions have been real, the description is always accurate however I have been known to overcharge a bit from time to time but then I always try to get a good deal on anything I buy or sell.
Originally by: Hoshi
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame one me.
I thougt the quote was:
Fool me once shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tyto
Originally by: Vaugue
it turns out he spent his 1mil isk on a 2nd ibis. He quit the game on the spot... just an example.
I would suggest that Eve removes people not suited for it's environment nice and early. It's like evolution.
"Of course a new predator does not usually drive a species to extinction, the typical outcome is that initially population numbers plunge as the species adapts to the presence of the predator. Over time the population recovers as it evolves strategies for coping with the predator's presence."
Sadly your corpy was removed from the genepool.
This is a point I read often but one which I find utterly absurd. It's basically an argument for the status quo (not only with gameplay and mechanics, but also with the average number of users paying for their accounts), rather than an argument that helps to make Eve a more negotiable place for new players.
He quit because he could have no justice and he knew it. "Crime Online" needs a nerf.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.08 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
He quit because he could have no justice and he knew it. "Crime Online" needs a nerf.
What justice should we have for someone who doesn't read what they are about to buy? Seriously at some point people have to take responsibility for themselves.
He quit because he didn't do that. When I bought my infamous goldplated shuttle I shrugged and learned a lesson. I didn't go crying to the GMs.
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Posmart
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Posmart on 08/08/2005 20:57:31
Call me paranoid, but I even do right-click "inspect merchandise" when claiming escrow from my own alts.
Right-click "inspect mechandise" is just so annoying, it takes all of, what, three-quarters of a second?
Current favourite escrow scams:
Vigilant - turns out it's a Vigil, either BP or ship is good.
Military/Whatever Connections - nicely priced at 85mil. - D'oh! Turns out it's Criminal Connections (still, the military are criminal if you're as left-wing as me).
Add your own!
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tyto
Originally by: babyblue
He quit because he could have no justice and he knew it. "Crime Online" needs a nerf.
What justice should we have for someone who doesn't read what they are about to buy? Seriously at some point people have to take responsibility for themselves.
He quit because he didn't do that. When I bought my infamous goldplated shuttle I shrugged and learned a lesson. I didn't go crying to the GMs.
Nice. Crime Online is that ghey kind of place where it's always the victims fault and never the criminals. In fact, we applaud the criminal for rooting out victims like this because Crime Online doesn't want them. Crime Online wants criminals, not victims.
Hold on, something is wrong there........ can't quite put my finger on it...........
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.08 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
Nice. Crime Online is that ghey kind of place where it's always the victims fault and never the criminals. In fact, we applaud the criminal for rooting out victims like this because Crime Online doesn't want them. Crime Online wants criminals, not victims.
Hold on, something is wrong there........ can't quite put my finger on it...........
Well it could be that the majority don't agree with you.
I'm a Liberal. I believe that indivuals are free to choose whatever path they like. The state's role (CCP's in this case)is to provide an environment where that is possible, and to interfere as little as possible, apart from where one person pursuing their freedom prevents someone else from doing the same.
I'm free to charge whatever I like for an item. You're free to buy it or not as you wish, at whatever price. You're also free to read the info or not as you wish. We both have responsibility for what we do.
What next if we remove individual responsibility? Welfare payments to players who can't be bothered to earn their own ISK? I know we could pay for it through taxing richer players. That sounds fair.
Responsibility. Who clicked "claim escrow"? Did the 'scammer' make them click it? So who's responsible then?
Yes it's annoying, yes it's frustrating. But be honest, when you get scammed who are you angry at? Yourself or the scammer. If you say the scammer, then you're deluding yourself. If you say yourself, that's called taking responsibility.
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
Nice. Crime Online is that ghey kind of place where it's always the victims fault and never the criminals. In fact, we applaud the criminal for rooting out victims like this because Crime Online doesn't want them. Crime Online wants criminals, not victims.
Correct.
If you dont like it, leave.
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:59:00 -
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Ignorance - or lack of knowledge - about EVE is not something you can be blamed for as a newcomer to the game.
Escrow is a great feature, yes its full of spam, unethical or otherwise down right evil stuff hehe.
But I like it and frankly, until something better is implemented we will have to live with it.
My recommendation would be a similar info box that's shown to you when you talk to an agent for the first time concerning standing loss if you fail to complete a mission or fail to reject it before 24 hours have passed.
Something of the order: "The escrow traders provide items that may be completely unrelated to their description. Be wary of fraudulent escrows and always inspect deals before purchasing".
This already exists when you try to claim an escrow... but to a newcomer this may look just like another "confirm" box and they might not bother to read it, so showing the warning when the mission button is clicked makes more sense.
I agree Eve is not for everyone, but if somebody is taken advantage of and leaves the game in their first week.. well... that is unnecessary and sad..
R3dSh1ft,
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tyto on 08/08/2005 23:34:42
Originally by: R3dSh1ft
This already exists when you try to claim an escrow... but to a newcomer this may look just like another "confirm" box and they might not bother to read it
No more questions your honour.
Bah I can't just leave it at that. Red, I understand where you're coming from, I'm not saying that we want new players to leave, that's bad for all. But do we want to play a game that does all the thinking for you? Or is set to cater for the lowest common denominator?
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:37:00 -
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I'm split here actually.
As much as I want freedom it's just downright annoying having to cycle through the scams to find the real deal.
Just allow faction items on market and add some form of personal filter. If it increases the amount of alts then fine CCP makes a little extra on the side. In any case it's more annoying than 'dangerous'.
Also just get a GM to say it's an exploit and now a bannable offence, they did it with other things recently that has been normal since day 1 of EVE.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:49:00 -
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I don't get it. What's the big deal about escrow scams all of a sudden? They've been around since the escrow system was put in, they were never "illegal" afaik, and hell back in the day they were much worse with no confirmation query or blueprint information.
It's not a terribly taxing mental effort to avoid escrow scams. You simply read, which is a fundamental requirement of EVE and all computer related activities.
It's simply far too insignificant/ineffective to start a anti-escrow-scam campaign over.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.09 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: babyblue
Nice. Crime Online is that ghey kind of place where it's always the victims fault and never the criminals. In fact, we applaud the criminal for rooting out victims like this because Crime Online doesn't want them. Crime Online wants criminals, not victims.
Correct.
If you dont like it, leave.
I don't want to leave Crime Online. Especially as I'm busy spinning to get features implemented that would make the good guys more lauded than the bad guys. We should be hearing stories about the success of bounty hunters at killing PK'ers, not the success of some dubious "role player" who managed to steal all the assets from some corp, or trick people into arriving at his POS for instagankage, or managed to sell a shuttle to someone not paying attention for 100,000,000, etc.
By the way, Eve was not implemented as a playground for pirate/criminal roleplaying as it's primary gameplay element. It was implemented to allow it, but note also that other players are supposed to keep those of dubious moral fibre in check. The mechanics for this don't exist however. Hopefully, at some point in the future, they will and people like you will turn to the light side, because you'll get fed up with getting ganked by the good guys.
As for escrow scamming, same as above - there can be no justice from alt scamming. `Features' or gameplay elements that don't allow a "comeback" should either be removed or fixed.
So basically, you have no clue  .
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Baleine4Nerver
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Well, again, I'm a bit new here (almost 9 days) but i think of myself as an inteligent person and i know my stuff. In Corp chat (the rookie one) a guy was trying to get help for the destroyer he "thought" he had bought through escrow. After about 45mins of explaining the escrow and how to recover your items via the assests button, it turns out he spent his 1mil isk on a 2nd ibis. He quit the game on the spot... just an example.
That is mosy unfortunate, and brings shame on all those scamming scumbags.
I myself am blessed with being as tight as a Gnats chuff when it comes to spending my hard earned isk. This attribute forces me to vigilantly "Inspect" every escrow before I purchase.
Thus ensuring i spot the 1 unit of trit instead of that BP or ship I wanted.
I dont think anything should be done about it, after all its just a game dynamic, people living of other people... thats the way it is.
Just be careful peeps.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.08.09 09:20:00 -
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Scamming should only be illegal in situations where the scammer finds a way to make it nearly or completly impossible to find out what you're really buying.
But that's never the case on escrow, if you fail to realize what you're about to buy before you complete the transaction it's really your own fault.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:17:00 -
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I'm just sick of having to make 6 gajillion mouse clicks to check everything 6 ways to make sure its not a scam.
The escrow scam brings nothing positive to the game.
It does make escrow a more time consuming & tedious task then it needs to be.
Even just adding a little I ( info ) icon next to the escrow so you can single click to bring up the escrow details & then 1 for each item.
The right click, menu click, etc is a pain ( literally ) for us old people with wrist issues.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow
The right click, menu click, etc is a pain ( literally ) for us old people with wrist issues.
I'm sure there is a joke there somewhere...
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.08.09 22:48:00 -
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see sig...
On the plus side knowing someone who has been esrowscammed in RL gives you sorts of giggles....
As one of me co-workers found out (he bought a empty faction frig BPc)...As he put it"Ok I got scammed I am a dumbass move on"
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.08.09 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 09/08/2005 23:04:50
Originally by: Hellspawn01
GIVE US "BLOCK THIS CHAR" ON ESCROW!!
Just tie it into the ignore system...
PS I love 0 ISK escrows and ppl who put 6 items up for price of 1.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.08.10 02:30:00 -
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Blocking would be nice.
What's up Maya, trying to catch up with JC?
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.08.10 08:44:00 -
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Think the text thats part of my sig says it all about these people who fall for scams and don't use the "Inspect Merchandise" or other similar tools.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.08.10 11:25:00 -
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Just curious,
I was told when you take an escrow mission (is this a typical legit escrow mission setup?)
example : you haul this (insert item here) from (insert place here) to (insert place here). You pay me 20,000,000 in collateral so i know i wont lose my stuff. I will reward you 5,000,000 when the job is finished and refund your collateral.
From what i've heard and been told in the rookie corp... That you can take an escrow mission.. pay up the collateral and the party in question you took the mission from can cancel it mid mission before completed and keep your collateral, and your stuck with thier crap you were hauling, which most likkly isnt worth the collateral. is this true?
I bought a hauler interested in escrow work since i discovered it, but all i ever see is a 100,000,000 collateral for 1 reward. and others not so ridiculous but look suspicous so i have refused to even delve into it, till im 100% informed and know whats goin on. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Petra Arkanas
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Posted - 2005.08.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Just curious,
I bought a hauler interested in escrow work since i discovered it, but all i ever see is a 100,000,000 collateral for 1 reward. and others not so ridiculous but look suspicous so i have refused to even delve into it, till im 100% informed and know whats goin on. Can anyone enlighten me?
I use courier escrow to get stuf moved from an alt who lives in empire, to my main who lives on the outskirts of 0.0 (the Lonetrek Ghetto) - I usually find that the problem is that the characters who have the isk to cover the collateral (eg 40 mill for a bundle of PDU IIs, some tech 2 guns a BPO and a small qty of Zydrine) are unlikely to want to do 19 jumps for the 3 or 4 mill I am willing to pay to get the items there. risk setting the collateral much below the value of the items and you risk never receiving them.
That said, they DO tend to get taken on and my items DO get delivered, so I'd say that they are useful, if underutilized.
There is the potential for getting ganked because someone wants the collateral isk (i.e transfer some low value but bulky items thru 0.0 with 50m collateral and 10 mill payment) they are unlikely to get there, you are unlikely to get paid and the setter of the escrow is unlikely to have to pay the 10m (but will get the 50 mill collateral)
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