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Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:17:00 - [1] I myself haven't had an instance on either side of this, however I have just recieved info that CCP has given the thumbs up on it being ok ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:21:00 - [2] Uh, I think it's been legal for quite a while? (forever) __________________________ Finite Horizon Your end is our beginning.
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:22:00 - [3] Seems like CCP wants to make this game as realistic as possible. Perhaps some sort of penalty when you scam... a security hit maybe... question is how does the game know you scammed... =============================================== I will punch you with my laser! -Scoundrelus
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:26:00 - [4] It's not a VIABLE occupation, because the only people who can ever fall for an escrow scam are the ones who get a popup, "You are about to purchase Escrow containing: 1 unit of tritanium" ... and don't bother to read it. We're talking about the human race here, there can't be all that many people so incredibly stupid as to .... .....what on earth am I saying. It must be a money machine _______ I tried strip mining, but I lost and it's cold flying around in space naked.
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:26:00 - [5] it has not been legal forever, but running rampant forever ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:29:00 - [6] I've never heard of anyone getting banned for escrow-scamming. That said, it's a little bit proletariat for my tastes.
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr It's not a VIABLE occupation, because the only people who can ever fall for an escrow scam are the ones who get a popup, "You are about to purchase Escrow containing: 1 unit of tritanium" ... and don't bother to read it. We're talking about the human race here, there can't be all that many people so incredibly stupid as to .... .....what on earth am I saying. It must be a money machine definetly no lack of "customers" ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:42:00 - [8] do you and viceroy have programs running that tell you when the would scam or exploit come up in forums or are u always scanning them? i care not to delve in this either, however for sake of clarity it would seem to be the same as a vet player taking out a "true" new player by blowing up his ship? ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
babyblue	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Scoundrelus Seems like CCP wants to make this game as realistic as possible. Perhaps some sort of penalty when you scam... a security hit maybe... question is how does the game know you scammed... If it was realistic, there would be some kind of justice or comeback for the scammed party. If by realism you mean life in Lagos, you are probably spot on: "Crime Online"
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:52:00 - [10] However it is not allowed to scam with an alt and then rcycle that alt becuase people are warry of it. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:02:00 - [11] GIVE US "BLOCK THIS CHAR" ON ESCROW!! Ö WTB True Sansha stuff.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I've never heard of anyone getting banned for escrow-scamming. That said, it's a little bit proletariat for my tastes. I believe they have banned people, at least temporarily, for spam scamming. For instance if you put up several hundred units of trit as BSes, etc. This, of course, "breaks" escrow, since no valid escrows will show up due to the size limitations of it. So as long as you don't flood the market with crap, CCP won't care. Originally by: Morela "hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
Lorth	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Hellspawn01 GIVE US "BLOCK THIS CHAR" ON ESCROW!! No, because people would then begin to recycle alts, when thier sales get to low. As it is now, you can do it with a main effectivly. Blocking people only encorages alts, which is far worse then scamming. Give players a chance for player repercusions, and thats all that is needed. Don't encorage the evil ones to begin to use alts. Because all that does is render the player policing ineffective.
Junna Isiene	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Artemis I myself haven't had an instance on either side of this, however I have just recieved info that CCP has given the thumbs up on it being ok When even NPC agents admit they're doing escrow scams to make extra ISK on the side, why would it be not okay for the players, too... :s
Hoshi	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:32:00 - [15] I would say that there should be a lack of customer, because if you are fooled once you will make sure to check next time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame one me.
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:37:00 - [16] Legal and legitimate aren't the same, the general public will still always frown upon the scammers and not every corporation will want them as members.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:39:00 - [17] This can not be legal, if it is, then CCP better provide us with a blacklist filter function, else feel the wrath of players. ♥♥♥♥♥
Carter Burke	Posted - 2005.08.07 22:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Scoundrelus Seems like CCP wants to make this game as realistic as possible. Perhaps some sort of penalty when you scam... a security hit maybe... question is how does the game know you scammed... "As realistic as possible" would mean the scammer would get sent to federal prison (i.e., be BANNED) after being caught the first time. CCP wants to make this game as little manpower-intensive as possible, and if that means they can't take the time to code something thoroughly, then we get f***ed. Why do you all sound so surprised by this? It's been par for the course from the beginning. They have no idea how to police this stuff now that they've created it, and therefore they're not going to bother. Way to go, CCP, that's real five-star solution-providing. This game is becoming "home to the sleazebag"...I wonder how indicative that would be of the product management team? CB
Tyto	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:00:00 - [19] Ok, this is old news. Let's be honest, if you fall for an escrow scam you're mental, stupid or both. (I once bought a 7m ISK shuttle, you work out which apply to me!) Simple read the description. Caveat emptor and all that. "Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Tyto Ok, this is old news. Let's be honest, if you fall for an escrow scam you're mental, stupid or both. (I once bought a 7m ISK shuttle, you work out which apply to me!) Simple read the description. Caveat emptor and all that. Neither but careless? ;O ♥♥♥♥♥
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Carter Burke "As realistic as possible" would mean the scammer would get sent to federal prison (i.e., be BANNED) after being caught the first time. On that basis, it would also mean that anyone who kills another pilot should go to federal prison (ie. BANNED) on a first offence, for life (ie. never allowed to play again). But it ain't that sort of a game. Even in empire, you can charge as much as you want for anything you want, and it's up the buyer to check he's getting what he thinks he's getting. You can't murder at will in Empire, but you can in a lot of places. _______ I tried strip mining, but I lost and it's cold flying around in space naked.
EB Research	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:36:00 - [22] Can I get my 1.6 bn isk back now that it's okay?.. GM's told me never to do it again or I would face a ban for it.. Isk was moved back to the players in question and they asked me not to spoil the other players game.
Karazaan	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Carter Burke "As realistic as possible" would mean the scammer would get sent to federal prison (i.e., be BANNED) after being caught the first time. Not really, escrow look like Ebay to me. If someone put a piece of junk for 100$, do you think the federal prison will ever see you? Any lawyer for that matter? You are screwed and that's about it.
Karazaan	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:49:00 - [24] Originally by: EB Research Can I get my 1.6 bn isk back now that it's okay?.. GM's told me never to do it again or I would face a ban for it.. Isk was moved back to the players in question and they asked me not to spoil the other players game. Yeah right... False info are so close to true one that it's hard to make the difference, but you have to make it yourself as nobody can make you learn that.
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.08.08 01:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Artemis I myself haven't had an instance on either side of this, however I have just recieved info that CCP has given the thumbs up on it being ok Amazing how people fall for this, there is an obvious inspect merchandise option. That should ring a bell that maybe it is important to do.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.08.08 02:10:00 - [26] Originally by: HUGO DRAX Amazing how people fall for this, there is an obvious inspect merchandise option. That should ring a bell that maybe it is important to do. It isn't important to do. You don't need to inspect the merchandise, because when you click "Claim Escrow" without looking, it STILL tells you what you're actually going to get regardless of the written description. _______ I tried strip mining, but I lost and it's cold flying around in space naked.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.08.08 02:11:00 - [27] Originally by: EB Research Can I get my 1.6 bn isk back now that it's okay?.. GM's told me never to do it again or I would face a ban for it.. Isk was moved back to the players in question and they asked me not to spoil the other players game. I think you'll find that 1.6 billion Isk scams will still be against the game rules. CCP will only accept you screwing over other players' games up to a point. Inconsistency 4tw _______ I tried strip mining, but I lost and it's cold flying around in space naked.
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.08 04:14:00 - [28] the best thing i can think of is maybe ccp can add to the faq's or q&a section about inspecting merchandise (maybe its there i didnt read squat cuz the manual that came with game was actually close to being up to date ) if it is there it would cover CCP's back, the same as going into low sec you get a warning. I really can't believe there are people that wouldnt take the time to check before buying. The most interesting ones since players aren't fooled so easily any more is Escrow: 35 mil description: Local Hull Cargo Expander ---> actual item Local Hull Nanofibers or Hull conversions. Something real close but not quite. New player (one that never had a local hull expander) would probably not be able to tell its not the right kinda module. Pretty sad tbh that a)escrow is full of crap like this and b) people still buy them ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2005.08.08 04:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire This can not be legal, if it is, then CCP better provide us with a blacklist filter function, else feel the wrath of players. As has been said, it is "In game legal", but it is NOT "legitiment". Lorth gave an excellent argument for not providing a blacklist, but I'll have to disagree with him. Somehow I doubt very many escrow scams are done with mains. Frankly, to this day, I doubt that Zeepo is a main.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.08 04:28:00 - [30] Meh, if you fall for an escrow scam you are stupid or lazy. Escrow is a guy selling stuff down a side street out the back of a van. If you can't be bothered to open the box to see that what you are buying is actually inside then you deserve no sympathy. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.

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