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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Drathius on 08/08/2005 13:21:58
There has been this dude in my system lately stealing people's
ore cans and talking trash in local. It's a 0.9, so i cant use secure cans. Why is there a way in the game for people to steal millions of credits of property without the owner being able to defend it? CCP should either let me use secure cans or let me blow that guys indy to kingdom come if he messes with my cans. I dont have a problem with pirates realy. If they can beat me they deserve my loot, but at least i can fight back. Anyone else think that CCP should make this an exploit or preferably make it so i can kill him for taking my stuff?
PS. How the heck do i get my picture to show up in my forum posts?
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:22:00 -
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Yarr, you should be moving to less secure space. Mine in .4 and rarely do you get your can looted.
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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:23:00 -
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And rarely do i have enough guns fitted while mining to fight off  's
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:24:00 -
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Secure cans.
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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:27:00 -
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Read the post before replying bro. It's a 0.9 and secure cans can only be used in 0.7 or under.
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:38:00 -
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Why not mine in a 0.7? u get better ores as well, to be honest this topic has been brought up many many times before and all u will get is flamed by everyone 
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:38:00 -
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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Drathius on 08/08/2005 13:47:06
Because my corp is based in this system? Besides that does anyone else see the insanity in telling me to move to a LESS secure system if i want more security?! CCP realy needs to either allow secure cans in high security or allow me to vaporize anyone stealing from nongroup noncorp cans.
Edit: oh, and thanks eris.
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migwar
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:49:00 -
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Definatly mine in an 0.7. i have a scythe that i mine with into a secure container, With good BMs i just warp to station and get my punisher which easily handles the rats. I never did mine in secure space so i have never had to worry about ore thieves. If you must mine in 0.9 buddy up with a hauler you will find it more profitable anyway.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Drathius
Edited by: Drathius on 08/08/2005 13:47:06
Because my corp is based in this system? Besides that does anyone else see the insanity in telling me to move to a LESS secure system if i want more security?! CCP realy needs to either allow secure cans in high security or allow me to vaporize anyone stealing from nongroup noncorp cans.
Edit: oh, and thanks eris.
high security space is not meant to be such a money machine: try moving to lower security space to make more profit (without people stealing your ore ;) )
See the sticky on this very forum about how to beat the ore theives: it has a lot of tips which may come in useful for you.
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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.08 13:59:00 -
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A: Low security space is a money machine not high. Low security has POS's and better ores to mine and better rats to fight.
B: It is secure space, it is supposed to be secure. It is already less profitable.
C: It makes no sense to the story to not be allowed to protect my ore and how am i supposed to believe concord wouldnt do anything to a blatant thief. Even if they dont let me shoot him he should take a drop in security so concord will eventualy deal with him.
D: It is completely retarded that SECURE cans cant be used in SECURE space. The restriction should be the opposite. You should only be allowed to use secure cans in 0.5 or over. You're supposed to be stolen from in unsecure space and in that unsecure space you can kill thiefs anyway
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.08 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/08/2005 14:16:34
Once upon a time we had secure cans in high security space. We had massive can litter and Apocs where strip mining entire fields with their 'staked' secure cans.
It was massive crap fest. If you want to make more money and stop ore theiving use secure cans and mine in low security space.
Also, you're in a newbie corp. So what corp :/
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.08 16:29:00 -
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Read the "how to avoid ore thieves" sticky.
Theres thousands of systems in EVE.
Move to a quieter one. Also read in the FAQ why ore theft is allowed.
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.08.08 16:41:00 -
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Well no one forced you to 1) jetsion it into space or 2) mining in a supper carebare system where you cant use secure cans. S either 1) stop being lazy and go back to the station each time your holds full and stop complain about how ccp dosent have anyway to secure your ore when it dose or 2) move to omg .6 system where concord will still protect you.
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Akirium
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Secure cans.
learn to read the post moron, its a 0.9 sec system....scc's can't be used...
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Akirium
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Drathius
Edited by: Drathius on 08/08/2005 13:21:58
There has been this dude in my system lately stealing people's
ore cans and talking trash in local. It's a 0.9, so i cant use secure cans. Why is there a way in the game for people to steal millions of credits of property without the owner being able to defend it? CCP should either let me use secure cans or let me blow that guys indy to kingdom come if he messes with my cans. I dont have a problem with pirates realy. If they can beat me they deserve my loot, but at least i can fight back. Anyone else think that CCP should make this an exploit or preferably make it so i can kill him for taking my stuff?
PS. How the heck do i get my picture to show up in my forum posts?
when in high sec systems, have a buddy in a hauler sit there while you mine into the can, and your buddy removes it as soon as you put it in. Use a bookmark to hold the can from popping(call it "pop stop" or some such name). The thieves can't steal the ore if it is in the hauler...when hauler is gone, just wait until they return to continue mining...easy...
Don't listen to those that tell you to head to 0.4 and below sec systems, they are just looking for easy kills .
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Akirium
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Posted - 2005.08.08 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drathius
A: Low security space is a money machine not high. Low security has POS's and better ores to mine and better rats to fight.
B: It is secure space, it is supposed to be secure. It is already less profitable.
C: It makes no sense to the story to not be allowed to protect my ore and how am i supposed to believe concord wouldnt do anything to a blatant thief. Even if they dont let me shoot him he should take a drop in security so concord will eventualy deal with him.
D: It is completely retarded that SECURE cans cant be used in SECURE space. The restriction should be the opposite. You should only be allowed to use secure cans in 0.5 or over. You're supposed to be stolen from in unsecure space and in that unsecure space you can kill thiefs anyway
one thing to remember above all else:
CCP caters to the griefers and PVP faction of it's playerbase.
Before some halfbrained moron spouts off that Eve is all PVP;
PVP means - FIGHTING, shooting others.
PVP is only an ASPECT of the game, not what it revolves around.
As long as CCP has the attitude that the only way the game can be fun is to make griefing by any means easy for that tiny but loud little group of griefers (they whine the most, and the longest, even to the point of spamming any dev chat with pointless bullocks until they get their way), then Eve will be full of griefing twits.
If you don't like they way Eve and the Dev's/GM's are pushing the game, use that cancelation button to let them know how you feel.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.08.08 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drathius
Because my corp is based in this system? .
Viziam is an NPC corp last time I checked. Am I missing something here?
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akirium
Don't listen to those that tell you to head to 0.4 and below sec systems, they are just looking for easy kills .
You are more then fine mining alone in a .4 system or below. You just need to watch local.
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Elroy Cruise
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Posted - 2005.08.08 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Elroy Cruise on 08/08/2005 19:47:05
Edited by: Elroy Cruise on 08/08/2005 19:46:17
[edited for spelling]
Drathius: you seem to miss an essential point here:
Mining in jet cans is not an intended feature, it's an exploitative use of a mechanic originally designed to allow ship to ship transfer of cargo.
It was left in, partly because this exploit got "naturally" balanced out by the ability to ore steal from said cans.
You can use secure cans in <.8, which grants more safety, or get assistance from a hauler for more capacity (yet higher risk of seeing the hauler popped - compared to a secure can).
You can't use secure cans in very high sec, but the odds of your hauler getting popped get lower, too.
Short version: get a hauler to drop your yield to, or exploit jet cans at the risk of petty thieves counter exploiting this unintended feature at your detriment.
Cheers,
Elroy.
PS: .7 isn't that dangerous, really. 
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Lord Kronos
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:49:00 -
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What u ask from ccp will never get answered and things will remain as they are for one reason : MACROMINING danger!!!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akirium
Originally by: Drathius
A: Low security space is a money machine not high. Low security has POS's and better ores to mine and better rats to fight.
B: It is secure space, it is supposed to be secure. It is already less profitable.
C: It makes no sense to the story to not be allowed to protect my ore and how am i supposed to believe concord wouldnt do anything to a blatant thief. Even if they dont let me shoot him he should take a drop in security so concord will eventualy deal with him.
D: It is completely retarded that SECURE cans cant be used in SECURE space. The restriction should be the opposite. You should only be allowed to use secure cans in 0.5 or over. You're supposed to be stolen from in unsecure space and in that unsecure space you can kill thiefs anyway
one thing to remember above all else:
CCP caters to the griefers and PVP faction of it's playerbase.
No, it caters to everyone else. The PvPers are the most neglected part of EVE, IMO.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.08.08 23:44:00 -
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Use secure cans. If you can't, that means the system you're in caters newbies, who due to their nature mine into their cargo holds and empty them. If you want to leech on newbie space, tough luck I'm afraid. You'll have to face the justice of the ore-liberation squads who will proudly claim the ore YOU stole from newbies.
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C0NC0RD C0MMANDER
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Posted - 2005.08.09 06:57:00 -
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Quote:
CCP caters to the griefers and PVP faction of it's playerbase.
I think CCP does play subtle favorites here and there, and I am perfectly fine with that. If they were paying for it... to which they are not!
I think the game should take its own form and should develop and expand according to what the consumers want.
With consecutive patches I've seen negative changes that indicate CCP does not have an effective developemental plan and a vision for progressive developement for the future.
-If carebears want to mine in secure cans in sec space... give it to them.
-I liked Yulai as a major hub... I could get all my one stop shopping done there.
-Nerfs of any sort... we spent a lot of time training for those skills, and then a new patch comes out, now we need specialization skills and what we had before suddenly doesn't work the way it used to. Thats called being "Ripped Off".
-I could care less if there is never another patch again. There is enough content for years to come.
I could go on... but loosing your interest is not my goal.
MMORPG is not for the narrow minded. EVE is a great game! But, what got CCP to this point of success will not keep them here. Its time for a new way of thinking. The game has become to big for small minded visions.
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piercer
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Posted - 2005.08.09 07:33:00 -
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go to a 0.5.
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Vogon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 08:14:00 -
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What Viceroy said, so eloquently put as usual...
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.09 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: C0NC0RD C0MMANDER
I think the game should take its own form and should develop and expand according to what the consumers want.
Quite possibly the worst suggestion made on the forums, ever.
CCP provide a product.
If you like it, buy it.
If you don't, don't.
Catering to the consumer!
Everyone would play a game where they can't die but everyone else can.
Way to go.
Paradox 4tw!
Seriously, this is a single shard MMOG, you can't give people what they want without considering how it affects everything else.
CCP should stop listening to the community, and just put the 23 in charge of the "think tank".
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2005.08.09 08:24:00 -
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Umm, If I remember correctly, raising your anchoring let you drop cans in secure space. Anchoring lvl 4 lets you drop in 0.9 space if I remember correctly....
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Umm, If I remember correctly, raising your anchoring let you drop cans in secure space. Anchoring lvl 4 lets you drop in 0.9 space if I remember correctly....
I'm afraid you don't remember correctly.
No matter what skills you have, you can never anchor any kind of container in 0.9 or 1.0 systems anymore.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Drathius
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Posted - 2005.08.09 10:43:00 -
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Right i'm in viziam. It's not like its common for people to have uncorp alts in eve To the people saying to move to 0.7 like i said if i want to mine with my corp it's not realy an option. Apart from that i'm not realy asking for secure cans in 0.9. I'd much rather they either take a security hit for stealing with concord sitting there watching them or that i just be allowed to shoot them. I think people should be able to steal your ore, but i also dont think they should be 100% immune to punishment. Anyway, it's obvious from the way half the people didnt read my posts, and the other half are repeating the exact same thing as each other and missing the point completely, that i might as well just give up.
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