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Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 98	Posted - 2013.03.01 04:37:00 - [31] - Quote Incoming Transmission Origin: Nennamaila:Ishaga:Black Rise Looking directly at the Camera Is this the same people that fought the Gallente Federation to a stand still because they felt they needed their own space. Fought on because they felt they needed to preserve their own way of life from an encroaching influence? Now you stand idly by while workers are killed simply because they go on strike and cause a minor disruption? Shaking his head at the camera Hopefully you as a collective will wake up and realize who the real enemy is before you reach a point of no return. Turns and walks off camera muttering something incomprehendable
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2013.03.01 04:59:00 - [32] - Quote Yes, yes, well, not to play the devil's advocate or anything... or rather, to play the devil's advocate... or even more rather a witch who sees God in the chaos of emptiness - how exactly has it been established that howevermany thousand of these workers stuffed into freighters were, in fact, "peaceful?" If I were a zombie overlord, say, with a cybernetic nanite virus that transforms people into more zombies, say, filling two freighters with zombie virus carriers, simply for the purposes of argument, might strike me as a keen way to take revenge on the people who most wronged me - hypothetically speaking. How has that been ruled out, exactly? Is it not in fact possible that Heth made the right choice under extraordinarily difficult conditions?
Aquila Shadow Midnight Security Consulting 96	Posted - 2013.03.01 08:21:00 - [33] - Quote Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters. I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming, both nations have down horrendous things since the founding of our two nations. From Nouvelle Rouvenor to the Malkalen we have been killing each other and neither one of us are innocent. You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning. The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Los Muertas Defiant Kelkoons 138	Posted - 2013.03.01 08:44:00 - [34] - Quote Aquila Shadow wrote: Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters.{/quote] Actually it is the fault of the people. They all empowered this man with their mindless following a man who came to the public spotlight by committing a terrorist act and who advocated nothing short of war as the best way to elevate the State out of some imaginary quagmire. Aquila Shadow wrote: I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming... The man uses Titans and Dreadnoughts guns pointed at civilians to "make peace", are you seriously saying that this method of peace never seemed strange to you, that perhaps a made man holding hostages to get his way, was a mad man that would turn on anyone in order to maintain his power base? Aquila Shadow wrote: You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning. So put a bullet in his head and be done with it. [quote=Aquila Shadow] The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is. You all already had that look at your leader, why would this change what the State has already chosen. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Aquila Shadow Midnight Security Consulting 96	Posted - 2013.03.01 09:07:00 - [35] - Quote Los Muertas wrote: Aquila Shadow wrote: Its so nice to know that in the aftermath of a tragic event we can always rely on at least one Gallente to claim that this somehow justified, that it was the fault of the people that Heth murdered those protesters.{/quote] Actually it is the fault of the people. They all empowered this man with their mindless following a man who came to the public spotlight by committing a terrorist act and who advocated nothing short of war as the best way to elevate the State out of some imaginary quagmire. Aquila Shadow wrote: I for one wasn't aware that the we all some how gained the gift of seeing into the future. Know one could have foreseen that Heth would come down so hard on those people, you don't have the moral high ground to claim you saw this coming... The man uses Titans and Dreadnoughts guns pointed at civilians to "make peace", are you seriously saying that this method of peace never seemed strange to you, that perhaps a made man holding hostages to get his way, was a mad man that would turn on anyone in order to maintain his power base? Aquila Shadow wrote: You want Heth gone? Get in line. Contrary to popular believe among Gallente loyalists Heth does not have a very strong fan base in the State capsuleer community and the regular people in the State don't have access to this Summit. Organisations like I-RED and The Fourth District have been against the Provist movement since the beginning. So put a bullet in his head and be done with it. [quote=Aquila Shadow] The only good that can come from this tragedy is that the people of the State now have an unfiltered look at how far gone Heth is. You all already had that look at your leader, why would this change what the State has already chosen. 1. Heth didn't commit any terrorist act to become the had of the State, he just capitalized on the resentment the working class had for the "Caldari elite" 2. The State was in a quagmire, the workers were little better of then slaves that got paid just enough to survive and the economy was about to crash and burn under the neglect of the previous caretakers. While he is a monster Heth did save the State from ruin. Its also not surprising that the people allowed him to become Executor, at this point he hadn't done anything to make them doubt him. 3.The only way the State could have possibly held onto Caldari Prime was to use the Titan as a deterrent. It also stopped a full blown war breaking out between the State and the Federation, we should probably that your Elders invasion for that. 4. If it were that easy to kill Heth he would be dead already 5. Only the capsuleer community has the full story on what was going on when the navy was bombing those planets, and we are the minority, now the whole state has seen what Heth can really do. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Naraish Adarn Fastfood for Fishies 37	Posted - 2013.03.01 10:33:00 - [36] - Quote Aquila Shadow wrote: 1. Heth didn't commit any terrorist act to become the had of the State, he just capitalized on the resentment the working class had for the "Caldari elite" 2. The State was in a quagmire, the workers were little better of then slaves that got paid just enough to survive and the economy was about to crash and burn under the neglect of the previous caretakers. While he is a monster Heth did save the State from ruin. Its also not surprising that the people allowed him to become Executor, at this point he hadn't done anything to make them doubt him. 3.The only way the State could have possibly held onto Caldari Prime was to use the Titan as a deterrent. It also stopped a full blown war breaking out between the State and the Federation, we should probably that your Elders invasion for that. 4. If it were that easy to kill Heth he would be dead already 5. Only the capsuleer community has the full story on what was going on when the navy was bombing those planets, and we are the minority, now the whole state has seen what Heth can really do. which is why media black outs were issued in the state... i honestly suspect someone is trying to figure out how to spin this story either against the protesters or against the capsuleers that declared support for said workers and tried to protect them. then depeding on story spun we'll see who gets the blame and who believes the propaganda. since considering the incident i don't expect hear truth from Caldari media if any mention of it at all.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 428	Posted - 2013.03.01 10:57:00 - [37] - Quote As much as I decry what happened today, there's no proof that Heth ordered this action - in fact we don't know who did. I hope that Kaalakiota will respond with a statement and, until they do, I have no further comment to make.
Lucas Raholan Agenda Industries 58	Posted - 2013.03.01 11:18:00 - [38] - Quote My sympathy goes out to to those caught in this terrible incident, I pray that the upcoming storm passes quickly. I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á
Vincent Pryce Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships. 42	Posted - 2013.03.01 11:22:00 - [39] - Quote This course of events only proves my point from the other thread. Violent revolution is your only solution. Cast down your tyrant and reclaim the true Caldari way of the eight.
Malcolm Khross Caldari Provisions Caldari State 628	Posted - 2013.03.01 12:25:00 - [40] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: For a brief glimmering moment I thought... a kindred in kind, but no... even now, us.. them.. then even the us within ourselves divided. I have no love for the State, it has taken too much from me, but what little harm I could do, I will not. See then to your own hounds. The hounds exist within and without, Syagrius and are not so plain and easy to see as "Gallente" vs "Caldari." Caviar Liberta wrote: Is this the same people that fought the Gallente Federation to a stand still because they felt they needed their own space. Fought on because they felt they needed to preserve their own way of life from an encroaching influence? Now you stand idly by while workers are killed simply because they go on strike and cause a minor disruption? Reading comprehension must be difficult for you. Do not ever accuse those taking action of standing idly by lest you be made to look all the more foolish. ~Malcolm Khross

Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1504	Posted - 2013.03.01 12:37:00 - [41] - Quote Los Muertas wrote: Henry Montclaire wrote: Has the Home Guard given a reason for their attack? Because they are goose stepping followers unwilling and unable to think for themselves. It is an unwise decision to underestimate your opposition.
Halete Alexylva Paradox 684	Posted - 2013.03.01 12:45:00 - [42] - Quote I find it convenient that you can all act so appalled despite the atrocities that your Empires commit each day which are ignored piecemeal. Yes, this is a tragedy, but for as long as you cling to the ways of the Big Four these tragedies will continue. Heth appealed to the State when he sought regression, bringing back the meritocracy, but what he actually seeks is revolution. So he reveals himself to be a fool. There can be no revolutionary regimes. I remind you all that there is a peace, a peace out there that the Four converged upon together to destroy. Makes you think. Trading chains for shackles, I am free.
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 153	Posted - 2013.03.01 14:36:00 - [43] - Quote Halete wrote: I find it convenient that you can all act so appalled despite the atrocities that your Empires commit each day which are ignored piecemeal. There is a reason when push came to shove the vast majority of Kuvaki's followers abandoned him. Halete wrote: I remind you all that there is a peace, a peace out there that the Four converged upon together to destroy. This is true, in fact this wouldn't have happened in the Nation. Then again, it wouldn't have happened in the Nation because these workers would have been 'True Slaves' and unable to complain about the way they've been treated. Halete wrote: Makes you think. No, not really. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Halete Alexylva Paradox 684	Posted - 2013.03.01 15:02:00 - [44] - Quote Simon Louvaki wrote: There is a reason when push came to shove the vast majority of Kuvaki's followers abandoned him. Oh, I agree. Those vain individuals who were so caught up in the realization that they had involved themselves in something so much bigger than they had at first thought must have felt dwarfed by comparison. At this point their feeble minds could have only chosen to run, there is a simple psychology to this. Though I do not accuse all of the turncoats to be vain, some were simply unready. But I am assuming you mean to imply that Nation commits atrocity? Well, this is subjective. We can however categorically say that, unlike Nation, the Four are guilty of crimes that are unethical to it's own population but the majority choose to remain ignorant of that unless it suits them to show face. This is where you sin. Simon Louvaki wrote: This is true, in fact this wouldn't have happened in the Nation. Then again, it wouldn't have happened in the Nation because these workers would have been 'True Slaves' and unable to complain about the way they've been treated. It's a non-problem. The True Slaves are happy with their place in Nation. Simon Louvaki wrote: No, not really. I used to have that attitude. Trading chains for shackles, I am free.
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 955	Posted - 2013.03.01 15:08:00 - [45] - Quote Henry Montclaire wrote: Has the Home Guard given a reason for their attack? The most probable answer you will receive is that they were following orders. I can respect that. I've been there and done that myself. It's easy to dismiss doing so as weakness or failure. I assure you, from the inside it is not easy. Amoral, yes, but not easy. A good soldier is a well-crafted tool and weapon whose very job is to do as ordered and trust that the orders are good ones. When the authority they obey abuses that trust, then the soldier is not an instrument of evil - they are as much a victim of it as anybody else. Our outrage must be directed towards the one or ones who gave the order in order for it to be effective and just, not against those who followed it. Don't blame the hammer for the GBH. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Seriphyn Inhonores Destiny Foundation 400	Posted - 2013.03.01 15:13:00 - [46] - Quote Only when death is political does it matter to us capsuleers, it seems. I implore that if you all care that much about the loss of human life, then consider using your powers for good.
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 955	Posted - 2013.03.01 15:16:00 - [47] - Quote Now is not the time for off-topic sermons, Inhonores. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Ston Momaki Disciples of Ston 736	Posted - 2013.03.01 15:54:00 - [48] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Henry Montclaire wrote: Has the Home Guard given a reason for their attack? The most probable answer you will receive is that they were following orders. I can respect that. I've been there and done that myself. It's easy to dismiss doing so as weakness or failure. I assure you, from the inside it is not easy. Amoral, yes, but not easy. A good soldier is a well-crafted tool and weapon whose very job is to do as ordered and trust that the orders are good ones. When the authority they obey abuses that trust, then the soldier is not an instrument of evil - they are as much a victim of it as anybody else. Our outrage must be directed towards the one or ones who gave the order in order for it to be effective and just, not against those who followed it. Don't blame the hammer for the GBH. Dear Mr. Stitcher, Perhaps you could clarify the extent to which you believe that the soldier has immunity based on the claim that he or she was "just following orders." Throughout history, soldiers have been judged culpable for atrocities and war crimes committed under orders and have not been relieved of accountability. At what point would you say that it is the soldier's responsibility to question the orders and determine that they are "not good?" At what point does is the soldier no longer a victim of bad orders but a perpetrator of atrocity and fully culpable for his his or her behavior? Can the soldier always claim refuge in the claim that he or she is a victim? At some point, this line of reasoning leads to holocost, does it not? The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1506	Posted - 2013.03.01 16:11:00 - [49] - Quote You are assuming a universal morality there, Ston. It doesn't naturally exist. Some cultures place obedience as a higher virtue than any other. While some cultures might think that "refusing to follow an order you do not agree with" is heroic, other cultures would hold that swallowing your pride and following the order anyways, despite your objection, is what makes a true hero. In the Empire, for instance, attempting to ignore an order from a superior because you are following your conscience would be considered the first step towards heresy, given the Empires focus on hierarchy and stability. The Caldari are much the same way, and to be honest I am actually surprised to see so many turning against Heth in such an open manner.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2140	Posted - 2013.03.01 16:20:00 - [50] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Our outrage must be directed towards the one or ones who gave the order in order for it to be effective and just, not against those who followed it. Don't blame the hammer for the GBH. No. Humans are not tools. They are living, thinking beings capable of individual judgement and discernment, and apparently one of the Home Guard pilots realised this and stood down rather than murder civilians. So many atrocities have been justified under the aegis of "I did what I was ordered to do." Soldiers are trained to follow orders but the soldier who doesn't spare even a moment's thought to what he's being ordered to do is no less responsible for what happens by his hand than the people who give him the orders. Mane 614

Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 958	Posted - 2013.03.01 16:53:00 - [51] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: to be honest I am actually surprised to see so many [Caldari] turning against Heth in such an open manner. The thing to remember is that freelance Caldari capsuleers are not representative of the citizenry of the State. We tend to be statistical outliers, free(er)-thinkers, independents and liberals (with a little L, people, please don't get offended if you identify as a Patriot or Practical). We are, in short, Different. Don't mistake the reaction of Empyreans as being typical of the reaction of our people. We have money, power, and influence and we sit outside that warm sense of belonging and collective (which I sometimes miss terribly, by the way). Military life starts young in the State. Speaking for myself, my education began to include military elements before I had even lost my last milk teeth. If you follow that path to its conclusion, you spend most of your life surrounded by the idea that your job is to follow orders - it's hammered into you that this is ethically good, that you are a weapon for your superiors to aim and fire, that the blame for any evil your actions may cause ultimately lies with those who make use of your skills, not with you. I am not condoning this mindset, I am describing it. I am saying: "this is how the Home Guard soldiers will answer". It is how they will feel. At this point, I'm not prepared to enter into a debate on the morality of that attitude; I am explaining what is happening, not opining on what should. It needs to be understood that the Home Guard officers at this point will have guilty consciences. It needs to be understood that they have been conditioned - powerfully and to a very deep level - to put their faith and trust in a higher power, and that faith and trust has been abused. Set aside the "faceless jackbooted thug" mentality here. Remember that these people have done their Heiian as was demanded of them and as they interpreted it, and for better or worse that's all we can ask. Whether or not they should have thought of themselves as tools and weapons, they did. They were indoctrinated to place obeying orders as a higher virtue. Let's not fall into the trap of charicaturing our own people into faceless villains and targets. We need to remember that if we take up arms to defend one group of citizens against another, we're still shooting Caldari. If we're to be honest, we need to recognise the other side of this tragedy. We need to pick our stance honestly and in the full knowledge of what it means for all involved. Cold Wind needs to blow: we need to forget the symbols of our houses, and see only the faces of our brothers. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Malcolm Khross Caldari Provisions Caldari State 628	Posted - 2013.03.01 16:59:00 - [52] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: The Caldari are much the same way, and to be honest I am actually surprised to see so many turning against Heth in such an open manner. Caldari capsuleers have historically proven to be more vocal and frivolous with their opinions than most other Caldari. Take from that what you will. It should also be noted that there have always been vocal and heated debates for and against Heth from the capsuleer community. It seems the more prominent side of the argument is the opposing side in this case. ~Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores Destiny Foundation 401	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:10:00 - [53] - Quote To those in open dissent; What of the Home Guard crew? If they were told they were acting to prevent another Malkalen, then were they in the wrong?
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 153	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:44:00 - [54] - Quote Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: To those in open dissent; What of the Home Guard crew? If they were told they were acting to prevent another Malkalen, then were they in the wrong? Just to be clear to those who weren't there; the ships were leaving the Station in which they were perused by Home Guard forces as they were trying to escape; These were unarmed ships attempting to flee. Despite the presence of military vessels, the targets were unequivocally focused on the carriers and not the several battleships, cruisers and battlecrusiers in the area that could have done just as much if not more damage and who were in direct conflict with Home Guard forces. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Lyn Farel Kitzless 429	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:02:00 - [55] - Quote Halete wrote: I find it convenient that you can all act so appalled despite the atrocities that your Empires commit each day which are ignored piecemeal. Yes, this is a tragedy, but for as long as you cling to the ways of the Big Four these tragedies will continue. Heth appealed to the State when he sought regression, bringing back the meritocracy, but what he actually seeks is revolution. So he reveals himself to be a fool. There can be no revolutionary regimes. I remind you all that there is a peace, a peace out there that the Four converged upon together to destroy. Makes you think. Not that I really disagree, but wouldn't that put you in disagreement with your CEO's writtings on... Revolution ? Just out of curiosity. Stitcher wrote: Now is not the time for off-topic sermons, Inhonores. Why ? Andreus Ixiris wrote: Stitcher wrote: Our outrage must be directed towards the one or ones who gave the order in order for it to be effective and just, not against those who followed it. Don't blame the hammer for the GBH. No. Humans are not tools. They are living, thinking beings capable of individual judgement and discernment, and apparently one of the Home Guard pilots realised this and stood down rather than murder civilians. So many atrocities have been justified under the aegis of "I did what I was ordered to do." Soldiers are trained to follow orders but the soldier who doesn't spare even a moment's thought to what he's being ordered to do is no less responsible for what happens by his hand than the people who give him the orders. It is quite easy to say for a capsuleer, but I hear that doing something like that in some situations is more or less equal to social suicide. The individual will revolt against the order, and then what about his own life ? You are basically asking everyone to be able of self sacrifice, which is far from being the case for the masses.
Fredfredbug4 The Scope Gallente Federation 490	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:17:00 - [56] - Quote Aquila Shadow wrote: 1. Heth didn't commit any terrorist act to become the had of the State, he just capitalized on the resentment the working class had for the "Caldari elite" 2. The State was in a quagmire, the workers were little better of then slaves that got paid just enough to survive and the economy was about to crash and burn under the neglect of the previous caretakers. While he is a monster Heth did save the State from ruin. Its also not surprising that the people allowed him to become Executor, at this point he hadn't done anything to make them doubt him. 3.The only way the State could have possibly held onto Caldari Prime was to use the Titan as a deterrent. It also stopped a full blown war breaking out between the State and the Federation, we should probably that your Elders invasion for that. 4. If it were that easy to kill Heth he would be dead already 5. Only the capsuleer community has the full story on what was going on when the navy was bombing those planets, and we are the minority, now the whole state has seen what Heth can really do. 1. I wouldn't call it terrorism, but he certainly led a fully grown and bloody revolt. You can't deny that. 2. If he saved the State from ruin and apparently made things so much better, then why were the workers protesting Kaalakoita in the first place? Why were the riots in New Caldari? Why is the media being stopped from further reporting the events? He screwed up the State, everyone knows it but he still thinks he can hide it. 3. The Titan did not stop full blown war, CONCORD did. Forces for a Gallente counter attack were already being mustered to drive back the Caldari and possibly invade their own space. If we completely overkilled the Kador invasion, then you can sure as hell bet we will show no mercy against a Titan battlefleet. 4. Very true. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 156	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:29:00 - [57] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: 2. If he saved the State from ruin and apparently made things so much better, then why were the workers protesting Kaalakoita in the first place? Why were the riots in New Caldari? Why is the media being stopped from further reporting the events? He screwed up the State, everyone knows it but he still thinks he can hide it. It's not a secret that war can revitalize a stagnant economy, but its only a temporary fix. The Caldari people rallied behind him for a time for that reason. He did bring the State out a political and economic quagmire, the issues (public issues at least) came as a result of the eventual stagnation that came after the State had exhausted itself and there were no more quick fix's to hide the glaring problems of Heth's regime. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 5	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:30:00 - [58] - Quote This incident gives me a particularly disturbing case of deja vu. 12 May 109 was one of the darkest days in my tenure as a member of the Reserve's Command Staff, and to this day I still regret the fact that I could not have been there to prevent the loss of life that occurred that day. That nothing appears to have been learned from our tragic mistake on that day is the worst part of this for me. Unfortunately, this is yet another symptom of the rot that has been created by Tibus Heth and his illegal regime. The Provists are not soldiers, they are thugs -- when you believe that violence and suppression of any dissent is the only way to maintain power, and maintaining that power is your only goal, it is unsurprising that these are the results. The fact that the Home Guard participated in this act only proves that the rot that was present during those events in Piak that gave rise to his prominence has only grown worse. The State must dismantle the office of the Executor and disband Tibus Heth's private mob of Provists; the rule of law, arbitrated by the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal, must be reinstated. Illegal incursions into corporate sovereignty must end. If Kaalakiota wishes to devour itself by turning on its own workers en masse, then so be it, but the rest of the State cannot allow itself to be destroyed because of one man's need to exact vengeance against those who would call out his failures. To those in the Caldari Navy, your obligation is to the CEP and the Caldari people, not to a tinpot dictator and his whims. Do not allow Tibus Heth to tarnish three hundred years of honorable service with the blood of your brethren. You must refuse to allow him to use you as a tool against his political enemies. To the Chief Executive Panel, your kowtowing to this ridiculous man, who was nothing more than a construction worker five years ago and has proven himself to be nothing more than a demagogue and a thug since, must end. Your shareholders have elected you to lead to preserve the value of their investment, and if the State falls into civil war and internal bloodshed, all will be lost. Our forefathers understood this and designed our State so that no central authority could drag the Caldari to their own end; when you gave this man the power you did five years ago, you went against the very things that made the State strong. Now is the time to end this charade. Remember your obligations to your employees and your shareholders and refuse any claims of authority the Executor or his Provists claim over you. To the Kaalakiota board of directors, I say only this. To allow Tibus Heth to occupy the same chair that Mathias Sobaseki did three hundred years ago is not only an insult to Kaalakiota and its shareholders, but also to the Caldari people. It is time for your corporation to remember your obligations and end the disgrace that you have brought to the Kaalakiota name.
Lady Katherine Devonshire Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 136	Posted - 2013.03.02 02:21:00 - [59] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: No. Humans are not tools. They are living, thinking beings capable of individual judgement and discernment, and apparently one of the Home Guard pilots realised this and stood down rather than murder civilians. So many atrocities have been justified under the aegis of "I did what I was ordered to do." Soldiers are trained to follow orders but the soldier who doesn't spare even a moment's thought to what he's being ordered to do is no less responsible for what happens by his hand than the people who give him the orders. A very enlightened viewpoint. It reminds me of how, when the Republic kidnapped my niece so long ago, she managed to ignore their attempts at indoctrination, refused their orders, stole the ship they put her in and fought her way back to God, Home and Family once again. EvE Forum Bingo
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 487	Posted - 2013.03.02 07:09:00 - [60] - Quote Oh for the love of... do you and Luftshreck have to make everything about how us "evil Matari" attempted to drag her away from your Amarrian utopia? Give it a rest, lady! We know the song and dance by now and it's long since grown stale. If I start a thread about the factors behind the rising price of Tritanium will you somehow manage to turn that into another of your "teh ebil Minmatars iz done kidnapped my kin and tried to lead her to ruinz in that backwards Republik" rants? Grrr... What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.



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