With regard to the article by poetic...and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."

So, what exactly is all the fuss about?

Ignore them or gank them.

If there are so few of them, and they can make CCP dance to their tune, they seem to me to be really, really good at Eve.

Perhaps the, 'make Eve harder - meaner - tougher', folk should ask them for advice on meta-gaming.

I don't know when you started this whine campaign but goons and other whiners make like 99.99% of whine posts in forums since i first visited it....

let's say for every 1 anti-suicide gank post i see 10 posts "nerf this, nerf that, nerf whatever bears have!"

Been playing since '05 and have seen just as many or even more whines from the hardcore 'elite' PVPers. So your claim is simply false. In fact, I've seen you yourself whine quite more often than any other one "carebear" in the forums.

Yeah yeah. I know, if it's you making the complain then it isn't a whine. It's only a whine when it's coming from one of those pesky "carebears".

And then Unifex stated one of those things the baltec1 of the game still can't understand:

On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.

From my observation, reason and logic has never explained the level of hate, disdain, and contempt that you and some of the other very vocal anti-carebear players bring to this forum. But to be fair, this behavior isn't unique to Eve alone. However, for whatever reasons, you do tend to be more aggressive and vocal than what I've observed elsewhere.

it's the go to comment when people run out of valid points, doesn't matter what your corp or alliance is.

not in goons but somewhere else? they say they've never heard of you, you're a nobody, hence your voice is irrelevant.
not in a player corp? assumed to be some npc alt hiding, hence your voice is irrelevant.
no matter what corp you are in, because it's not theirs, your voice is irrelevant.

and they're still crying about the barges

it's not irrelevant to mining. I always mine systems with no station and have to make at least one jump to my refine station. you have to get out there these days.

haha, good one.

I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security.

I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.

Chribba, I am disappoint.

I don't think i'm allowed to post killmails my mack has got but trust me it's still out there.

Carebears forced CCP to apply Tiericide to barges?

why do i have these highly amusing mackinaw killmails then?

I don't want to lose a single mackinaw, because it takes a long term to replace it with mining income. i mean, if you aren't running three accounts with orca support.

Well barge tanks were laughably weak at the time, I remember looking at the numbers. It was a struggle to get a ship costing hundreds of millions of ISK to survive an attack from a destroyer costing a 10th of that money. Perhaps they overdid it, I haven't checked the new figures.

There's better ways to get miners into nullsec. See the nullsec vs highsec industry threadnaught on front page of GD.

Your obsession with the state of mining barges is hilarious. Genuinely curious: why are you so passionate about that little corner of the game?

Here's some facts for you:

1. CCP didn't balance the barges because of some mythical carebear influence, they balanced them along with other ships based on the state of the game. Strings of Hulkageddons, interdictions etc. are more to blame than some imagined complainers. Have some faith that your game devs know what they're doing and don't blindly mess with stuff based on some forum posts.

2. If you find it remotely challenging to gank a miner, you are terrible.

I don't know. There has been plenty of "Nerf Hi-Sec, Buff null-sec" threadnaughts going on for quite some time, yet there doesn't seem to be any inclination on CCP part they are going to follow suit on those demands.

Now, it could be that a large percentage of players actually did say in their cancelation reason (when they canceled their subs) that they were quitting because their miner was ganked and then CCP acted on that instead of the forum complaints (as it directly hits their wallet).

But the truth is we don't know. CCP never came out and said we're making these changes because of X reason.

It was just assumed because of the threadnaughts that it was because of that. They might have had other reaons and we wouldn't know. Mabye a magic 8ball that said "Buff Miners" came up during the team meetings.

baltec1,

Firstly, you are no stranger around here. Just as I am known to be pro-carebear, you run on the opposite side of the line. Don't insult yourself by claiming anything else. Your 'selfless acts' of providing miners with fits ran along the lines of fit tank and HTFU. Stop pretending to be the gift to carebears. You're not. Ever since I can remember you've had nothing but disdain and contempt for carebears.

Second, what do you expect people to think of an alliance that, up until the time that one of your own died on a terrorist attack, made it a point to run campaigns based on real-life terrorist attack themes, even though repeatedly you were told that it was in poor taste? You associate with a group of players that have gone out of their way to grief play and come in here pretending like it's undeserved? You poor thing.

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that he was drunk during the days it took him to prepare his presentation. But yeah, it's always the alcohol's fault :).

I hereby encourage people ton++ find and kill Alexander Gianturco.

I beg your pardon? I see, retorting to lying now . Please do show where I have EVER said anything like that.

Never? That's odd, I seem to remember CCP complimenting the gankers when it first started happening. Of course, that was when we had original CCP like Oveur and not Punktarded.