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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:00:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:
Is that because people like arenas better than ganking?
The OP did not say anything about stopping PVP anywhere. He was suggesting the addition of an arena feature.
The RvB alliance basically already does that and has not ended pvp outside of it.
I think the addition of a CCP controlled arena system would do a lot to teach PVP.
I think a lot of players do not PVP because they don't know how.
While I agree with the last part, I don't think arenas are the way to go about it. Actually that's the whole premise of the idea in my sig.
Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |

Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
21
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:23:00 -
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Sivren Ravenwood wrote:PvP Arena maybe? Go back to WoW. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |

Alec Enderas
14th Legion
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:28:00 -
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Hell No, you should feel very bad for even suggesting something like this. The whole game is a PVP arena....no need for arenas within arenas. |

Ai Shun
897
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thats why its killed pvp in every single MMO that has added arenas. They are the single worst thing you can add to a snadbox PvP game.
Can you imagine EVE where nobody undocks; all they do is click "Queue for Arena" and go in with a simulation of a ship fitted with their Arena Points which will result in losing nothing except arena ranking when they lose the battle.
And people actually think that will be a good thing for EVE Online? I can see why so many veterans post one-line, GTFO type of responses. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |

Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
254
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:46:00 -
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Oh this new and exciting topic again. 
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
909
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:01:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:Oh this new and exciting topic again. 
Well, CCP once tried to sneak an arena in. Then the server didn't accept the code.  It still makes me wonder if EVE would be 'dead' by now if the server could had accepted 'virtual deaths' back then.
Mind you, I agree with most people here that EVE is already an entire arena and doesn't need one artificially, especially not now you have the 'duel' mechanism and that an arena won't get people afraid of losing ships/clones less afraid of PvP.
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March rabbit
No Name No Pain
581
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:22:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:baltec1 wrote:Thats why its killed pvp in every single MMO that has added arenas. They are the single worst thing you can add to a snadbox PvP game. Can you imagine EVE where nobody undocks; all they do is click "Queue for Arena" and go in with a simulation of a ship fitted with their Arena Points which will result in losing nothing except arena ranking when they lose the battle. And people actually think that will be a good thing for EVE Online? I can see why so many veterans post one-line, GTFO type of responses. so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD.  great point of view.
another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")?
I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk  |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2826
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:44:00 -
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Othran wrote:Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS. I think its a shite idea. What's all this 20 jumps crap?  Amarr is 3 jumps from low-sec and 10 jumps from null; Rens is 3 jumps from low-sec and 8 jumps from null; Jita is 3 jumps from low-sec and 10 jumps from null. Learn to play the game or **** off back to whatever game you played before  And Jita is only nine (?) jumps from Hek. Just need to go through Rancer.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA XD |

Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
13
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:46:00 -
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I thougth we had alot of arenas? |

baltec1
Bat Country
5486
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:13:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD.  great point of view. another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")? I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk 
People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now.
End result is pvp dies everywhere except in the arena. Ithas happened in every single game that has added an arena and will happen here too if its added. It wont get more people pvping and will destroy one of the biggest reasons people play this game. It is a horrible idea and will rightly be shot down by everyone but the lazy clueless. |

March rabbit
No Name No Pain
581
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:13:00 -
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Athena Maldoran wrote:I thougth we had alot of arenas? according to some posters here should we have at least one arena Eve would be dead already. So nope... |

Athena Maldoran
Special Nymphs On A Mission
24
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:14:00 -
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But I've been in so many ingame turnaments already.. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Literally every single game that added an arena ended up with no pvp outside of it.
False. Played for a long time in Wow pvp servers where you don't have the choice but to pvp because it goes absolutely everywhere unlike many troglodytes think, you can do Arena in those servers too and you have guys doing it, but say there was less or no pvp outside the Arena is a lie.
People talk about Wow pvp when they never knew anything else than Normal/PVP servers -yeah those you can trigger pvp flags or avoid them- please be my guest to make your new character in a full PVP server and come here tell me how many rabbits you could kill per hour and how fast you got to lvl "whatever crap"
Arena in Eve would be good for several reasons:
- Majority of players are in high sec would want to pvp in some defined environment/rules (like tournament)
- A large part of those players do not refuse to pvp, they refuse the systematic abuse of game mechanics/failures from other players or death traps not worth the effort for an instant loss.
- They want to play their character not their mandatory alt scout, for many of them.
Now, how bad would this be to null or low sec if those players would have some sort of arena?
Simple: It wouldn't change a crap, they will not GO TO LOW SEC OR NULL SEC, thus the fantastic PVP you guys talk about being already nonexistent, this wouldn't harm the game at all. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Sentamon
725
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:30:00 -
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What's happening to our cold hard universe?  ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:31:00 -
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We already have an arena, its in Catch.
We call it HED. |

baltec1
Bat Country
5487
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:39:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:baltec1 wrote:Literally every single game that added an arena ended up with no pvp outside of it. False. Played for a long time in Wow pvp servers where you don't have the choice but to pvp because it goes absolutely everywhere unlike many troglodytes think, you can do Arena in those servers too and you have guys doing it, but say there was less or no pvp outside the Arena is a lie. People talk about Wow pvp when they never knew anything else than Normal/PVP servers -yeah those you can trigger pvp flags or avoid them- please be my guest to make your new character in a full PVP server and come here tell me how many rabbits you could kill per hour and how fast you got to lvl "whatever crap" Arena in Eve would be good for several reasons:
- Majority of players are in high sec would want to pvp in some defined environment/rules (like tournament)
- A large part of those players do not refuse to pvp, they refuse the systematic abuse of game mechanics/failures from other players or death traps not worth the effort for an instant loss.
- They want to play their character not their mandatory alt scout, for many of them.
Now, how bad would this be to null or low sec if those players would have some sort of arena? Simple: It wouldn't change a crap, they will not GO TO LOW SEC OR NULL SEC, thus the fantastic PVP you guys talk about being already nonexistent, this wouldn't harm the game at all.
SWG added an arena and pvp outside of it ended. There was nothing but restus.
STO has arenas and there is no pvp to be found elsewhere.
Even WoW only has a handfull of spawn campers in popular caves and outside travel points. Everyone else are in raids and other arena style areas. I have played that game, it sucks for pvp.
The same will happen here. It will not bring in more pvpers from high sec because they already have the option of FW and red vs blue as well as the test server that has no penalty to dieing. Adding a button for instant pvp will not get those mission runners to suddenly pvp and never has in any game. We already have the options to have their 1v1s now and they make no use of them.
Arenas will kill this game if they are added. |

Getsafe Aisak
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:49:00 -
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If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options: - Duels on trade hub undocks - Red vs Blue in highsec - Blue vs Blue in nullsec |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:SWG added an arena and pvp outside of it ended. There was nothing but restus.
STO has arenas and there is no pvp to be found elsewhere.
Sorry Baltec1 but SWG and STO are what those are: bad pvp games from the beginning and I wouldn't pay a dime to have those in my computer, even if those were free wouldn't be bothered to DL them.
Lineage2 Guild Wars Age of Conan Aion
Even these shiny elves/pimp karat+¬ bimbo games are by far more of a pvp game than those you mentioned. Like every MMO and Eve is not an exception, things are shaken down up a bit from time to time. One day one class is above the others but this is how MMOS go, and so does Eve.
Give a try to Lineage2 if you really like pvp everywhere every time without pussies crying their mom because they got gank. You'll have no more trouble with high sec miners, no more trouble with low sec you can't bomb etc. Everything goes every time everywhere.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5487
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:04:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Sorry Baltec1 but SWG and STO are what those are: bad pvp games from the beginning and I wouldn't pay a dime to have those in my computer, even if those were free wouldn't be bothered to DL them.
Lineage2 Guild Wars Age of Conan Aion
Even these shiny elves/pimp karat+¬ bimbo games are by far more of a pvp game than those you mentioned. Like every MMO and Eve is not an exception, things are shaken down up a bit from time to time. One day one class is above the others but this is how MMOS go, and so does Eve.
Give a try to Lineage2 if you really like pvp everywhere every time without pussies crying their mom because they got gank. You'll have no more trouble with high sec miners, no more trouble with low sec you can't bomb etc. Everything goes every time everywhere.
I played SWG before the NGE. The pvp then was fun and much like EVEs untill they added an arena. All of those MMOs you listed do not have the same sort of pvp we have here. EVE is unique and we want it to stay that way and not have everyone pushing a button and wait for a scripted match. I'm sorry you dont like the idea of hunting for targets and risking getting hit by a bigger fleet but thats no reason to turn this game into the same as everything else out there. |

March rabbit
No Name No Pain
581
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:08:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:We already have an arena, its in Catch.
We call it HED. been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one.
yea, this is something honourable like Arena  |

March rabbit
No Name No Pain
581
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD.  great point of view. another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")? I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk  People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now. one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears).
So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already.
Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here: - not sure there is considerable amount of these players - these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears". |

baltec1
Bat Country
5487
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:32:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD.  great point of view. another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")? I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk  People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now. one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears). So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already. Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here: - not sure there is considerable amount of these players - these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears".
Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens. |

March rabbit
No Name No Pain
581
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens. well. maybe you right after all.
i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first).
However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:11:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:KuroVolt wrote:We already have an arena, its in Catch.
We call it HED. been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one. yea, this is something honourable like Arena 
That one ship died an honourable death! |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:14:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:March rabbit wrote:KuroVolt wrote:We already have an arena, its in Catch.
We call it HED. been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one. yea, this is something honourable like Arena  That one ship died an honourable death!
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2147
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:27:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens. well. maybe you right after all. i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first). However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders.
:D
Dude your "pvp" is shooting pods in hisec, there are no worse bottom feeders than you :D just admit it, you don't like risk.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2147
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:28:00 -
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Lolled so much that I doubleposted.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
7
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:57:00 -
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I cant imagine a worse idea!
I do not want WoW - f**king pink pony crap.
The non pvpers who want to pvp - they can find it, they can learn how to do it, like everyone else. Large scale in nullsec, medium scale in NPC null, small scale in lowsec. Just go and see what to do. Ask pirates if thats your thing, or anti pirates if thats isnt.
For those that wasnt t 1 on 1 - go to Sisi. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
637
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:18:00 -
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Rab See wrote:I cant imagine a worse idea!
I do not want WoW - f**king pink pony crap.
Too late you already have graveyard camping and duel system, you know what is said in these moments: adapt or die
Rab See wrote:The non pvpers who want to pvp - they can find it, they can learn how to do it, like everyone else. Large scale in nullsec, medium scale in NPC null, small scale in lowsec. Just go and see what to do. Ask pirates if thats your thing, or anti pirates if thats isnt.
You clearly haven't read the op and what we're talking about.
Tell us how would you get more pvp out of 0 pvp? High sec players are not going to low sec nor null sec, so this represents 0 pvp and ships destruction. How much would this 0 pvp change if those players could enjoy "tournament" like arenas?
Answer: nothing for said 0 low/null sec pvp, but more ships destroyed for another class of players you seem to completely despise, and for your information their money is as good as yours, if CCP is capable to run Tournaments and those are successful. Expand it to "arenas" where more different sort of players can get involved and practice would be good for the game in the end since the initial problem is not PVP but shooting-ducks game so many around like to call it pvp.
Rab See wrote:For those that wasnt t 1 on 1 - go to Sisi.
You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.
I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?
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baltec1
Bat Country
5490
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:22:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.
I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?
Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do. |
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