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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:53:00 -
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Do you really think it would be fun?
This is what would happen, you would sign up with your friends and get steamrolled by a team of experienced players, and after a few minutes all of you would be sitting in your pods without killing anything.
Just move closer to low-sec or use a jump clone, and you don't have to do 20 jumps to look for fights. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Baby Dady
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:54:00 -
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OP must be a troll |
Sivren Ravenwood
Mandalorian Acquisitions The Gallows Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:25:00 -
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Edah Puss wrote:There is no need for a PVP arena in EVE because we already have one....its called New Eden.
I *think* what you are wanting, OP, is for the duelling system to enforce true 1v1 combat, i.e. no other ships can lock the duelling ships while duel in progress, and all ongrid/offgrid boosts having no effect on the two ships.
You more or less got the point. And as for the rest of you I am trying to bring more PvP to highsec like every one wants. |
Sentamon
715
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:03:00 -
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Will the pixie fairies wisk us away to these magical arenas in space? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:38:00 -
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This conversation is not happening...
Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Edah Puss wrote:There is no need for a PVP arena in EVE because we already have one....its called New Eden.
I *think* what you are wanting, OP, is for the duelling system to enforce true 1v1 combat, i.e. no other ships can lock the duelling ships while duel in progress, and all ongrid/offgrid boosts having no effect on the two ships. You more or less got the point. And as for the rest of you I am trying to bring more PvP to highsec like every one wants.
I dont think you get the type of PVP we want, there is nothing meaningfull about a secure high sec arena fights.
Someone blowing up when they werent really counting on getting blown up however, that creates ripples [and tears]. |
Ai Shun
895
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:15:00 -
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Sivren Ravenwood wrote:You more or less got the point. And as for the rest of you I am trying to bring more PvP to highsec like every one wants.
Presumably you are not a troll. If you are; I can't even say well played because it is too overt. So odds are you're just not in touch with EVE Online (At least as far as I'm concerned)
So, you're going about it in a way that goes against the design principles of EVE Online. I'm hopelessly too lazy to find those original snippets from the Way ... wait. No, I didn't bookmark them. Stupid of me, because they're good for you to read.
Best advice I can give you: Forget about the game mechanics from FF?? or World of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings Online or Age of Conan or whatever it is you played before. This game is unlike any of them and translations of functionality that work in those kinds of games does not work very well here.
Go read some of the moments like the Guiding Hand Social Club and their nefarious activities. See how this game is different to the others. Then go to Features and Ideas and make a good suggestion instead EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2132
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:22:00 -
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Arenas, duels and arranged fights are not PVP, simple as that.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
292
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:33:00 -
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Roime wrote:Arenas, duels and arranged fights are not PVP, simple as that.
For it to be true EvE PvP, you need it to be completely one sided. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2132
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:38:00 -
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No, just unpredictable, uncontrollable, raw, wild and "real" like it is outside hisec.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
684
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:10:00 -
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Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS. Get. Out.
This isn't World of Warcraft nor do we want it to be.
Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2822
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Posted - 2013.03.04 12:00:00 -
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Sure, as long as it sticks to the concept of EvE, such as: everybody can interfere.
But i guess that removes the whole point of an Arena.
Oh well, guess we don't actually need one.
Got any *real* arguments besides "THINK OF THE NOOBS!!!" ? |
Cannibal Kane
The African Terrorist
1475
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Posted - 2013.03.04 12:13:00 -
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Hi OP...
I will be creating a PVP Arena between our corps in a week or two, what do you think? We can use the New Eden map as our Arena. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1112
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:03:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm not eloquent enough to express my contempt for this idea.
Ditto.
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Violet Winters
Angelic Eclipse.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:46:00 -
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Try RVB perhaps?
Violet Winters, sister of Kahlia Winters.
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Dark Reignz
Four-Q
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:57:00 -
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In case no-one has posted this already:
Join one of the current Null BlueDonut alliances, I hear they are planning on implementing "staged" PVP sometime soon Gäó
Who needs CCP heh ?
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Robin Dupont
Hunter Holdings
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:58:00 -
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Didn't CCP try at one time to test such an idea? And didn't the game **** slap them with a "Hell NO!!" Or am I not remembering things correctly. (To lazy to use search, as the OP seems to be as well, for the other numerous posts of this same idea) |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:58:00 -
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And then after that we can split into PvP and NonPvP servers. The Non PvP server will be called Trammel, and it will have ponies, and rainbows, and pets.
GET OUT! "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Lady von Baroness
Mizara's Dollhouse
19
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:08:00 -
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"EvE" stands for "Everyone vs. Everyone." I left WoW because it is dull as Hell. Don't turn EvE into WoW. Mizara's Dollhouse - Do you play with Dolls?
Donations of any doll-related item are graciously accepted anywhere in EvE! |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:10:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS. It's already been suggested, but the Griefers hate the thought of a straight up fight.....
We'll get there at some point.
Only griefers and pussies don't want it. The single idea they can't have all the advantages on their side makes them sick, the idea they might have to fight fairly without abuse/exploit of game mechanics would simply make them rage quit.
It's a matter of time, but we'll get there, and in the end this will lead to more ships destruction and game entertainment. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:22:00 -
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Lady von Baroness wrote:"EvE" stands for "Everyone vs. Everyone." I left WoW because it is dull as Hell. Don't turn EvE into WoW.
We're not getting started again with all this old crap about WOW is not pvp yadaya?
You should have played WOW in a pvp server instead, then you see there is plenty of pvp over there just like in Eve. Wow pvp servers are what you're looking for when you want real pvp everywhere at every moment.
Penalties are different, rewards and drawbacks are different, Eve is a sandbox, WOW is played in different servers. Both are great games and one would be an idiot to not recognize something going good in the other gaming style.
Want to graveyard camp? -pick some friends go to low sec camp the gate, pick some friends bble whatever null sec station/gate What's the difference in between your Orc killing rabbits spawning at the graveyard and whatever passing through the gate getting killed by your gang? -none, gaming reasoning is the same, just different tools. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
84
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Posted - 2013.03.04 18:38:00 -
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The difference between EVE and WoW are that in WoW PvP is nothing but a timesink, you die, respawn, mount up and get back to whatever the hell you were doing.
In EvE you're in an egg and have to fly all the way back to a station to reequip before you can join the fray again, or you get podded and end up in the medical facility of your choice. Dying in EVE is a time-sink, ISK-sink, mood-sink and maybe even a kitchen-sink.
If you are hoping for an Arena to provide you with an area where you can slug it out, but you won't loose your ship... use the test-server for that as stated earlier in this thread.
If you want to be able to duel, we have all the tools to do that too... so what is it you are asking for? |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2218
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Posted - 2013.03.04 19:53:00 -
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One of the biggest aspects of pvp in EVE is setting yourself up in a favorable position to engage before you even press F1. Through a variety of things like the fitting of your ship. What knowledge you may or may not have of your enemy and his fitting, whether or not you have any allies nearby, whether or not you have a cyno, neuts, nos, webs, etc. Engagement range, transversal, keeping range, closing range and a host of other factors.
EVE pvp is top-fuel funny car racing and you want to make it stock car, getout . |
Whim Aqayn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:06:00 -
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No, thanks. |
Ur235
Moon In Scorpio The Kadeshi
92
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:47:00 -
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Don't start this again... its a stupid idea, has and will always be a stupid idea it would destroy any sort of sandbox pvp game play. Everyone will give up on roaming because hey guys we have arenas now!!! Space will become even more empty than it already is all the pvp corps will begin to quit
The only way to encourage more pvp in Eve is to make ships less expensive to buy and get rid of stupid things that give gangs or single players an advantage over the general pvper (implants linky alts you know stuff like that). because atm the moment the main reason why fights dont happen on small scales because the enemy tend to assume the other enemy has some sort of advantage over your own gang other than the fleet comp hmm |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:51:00 -
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I do not think that the OP was saying that the arena idea would be mandatory for everyone. But only something to do for those who might want a level playing field. Only those interested in such things would participate. If I wanted to do such things, why would that matter to anyone else? Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
baltec1
Bat Country
5479
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:58:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:I do not think that the OP was saying that the arena idea would be mandatory for everyone. But only something to do for those who might want a level playing field. Only those interested in such things would participate. If I wanted to do such things, why would that matter to anyone else?
Literally every single game that added an arena ended up with no pvp outside of it. |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bud Austrene wrote:I do not think that the OP was saying that the arena idea would be mandatory for everyone. But only something to do for those who might want a level playing field. Only those interested in such things would participate. If I wanted to do such things, why would that matter to anyone else? Literally every single game that added an arena ended up with no pvp outside of it.
Is that because people like arenas better than ganking?
The OP did not say anything about stopping PVP anywhere. He was suggesting the addition of an arena feature.
The RvB alliance basically already does that and has not ended pvp outside of it.
I think the addition of a CCP controlled arena system would do a lot to teach PVP.
I think a lot of players do not PVP because they don't know how.
Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
baltec1
Bat Country
5480
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:40:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:
Is that because people like arenas better than ganking?
The OP did not say anything about stopping PVP anywhere. He was suggesting the addition of an arena feature.
The RvB alliance basically already does that and has not ended pvp outside of it.
I think the addition of a CCP controlled arena system would do a lot to teach PVP.
I think a lot of players do not PVP because they don't know how.
No, its because why go looking for a fight when you can just click a button and get one now.
Thats why its killed pvp in every single MMO that has added arenas. They are the single worst thing you can add to a snadbox PvP game. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2144
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:47:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote: I think the addition of a CCP controlled arena system would do a lot to teach PVP.
I think a lot of players do not PVP because they don't know how.
I've been in RvB and as much fun it is and by far the best way to get instant fights all the time, it does not teach you much about normal PVP, because of the rules they have, and the limited style of engagements. It's just different from what you face elsewhere.
Like No More Heroes said, "PVP" involves a lot of stuff in addition to locking up your opponent and flying your ship properly in the fight, and the only way to learn that is to go out there and do it. Find friends and learn together, or find a corp that helps you to learn.
Arenas would just create a special environment, and becoming an arena pilot would not make you a good pvper.
If you need practice with the combat part itself, fight your corpmates. Try out how different fits work, experiment with tracking and transversal, get a feel for how much incoming damage you can take, learn to manually orbit etc- just stop at hull and this doesn't even cost you anything. It's very useful to do this with a friend, you can tell each others what you are doing and analyze the results together.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Othran
Route One
456
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Posted - 2013.03.05 07:59:00 -
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Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS.
I think its a shite idea.
What's all this 20 jumps crap?
Amarr is 3 jumps from low-sec and 10 jumps from null; Rens is 3 jumps from low-sec and 8 jumps from null; Jita is 3 jumps from low-sec and 10 jumps from null.
Learn to play the game or **** off back to whatever game you played before |
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