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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1014
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Posted - 2013.03.04 12:16:00 -
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Fixing low-sec (and null-sec) will require a whole lot more design and resources than simple nerf-this-buff-that number juggling.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
268
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:23:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.
low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it
Here's a warning system for you: My middle finger as your overview lights up with flashy red on it. Next time you want to ***** and moan about losing pods, and other stuff fly something Bigger than a kestrel. Oh and yes I can do as I please and I love it.
That includes blowing whinny little high sec kids like you to bits and getting a very nasty hatemail and a scary "kill right" because I'm already - 10 and CONCORD is going to chase me in a 0.4 or your little ratting brigade is going to come hunt me.
But by all means bring more people to low sec. We need the prey 
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
509
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:27:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.
low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it
just a passer-by saying
Hello, excuse me!
Here you can see what is called a "Gate-Camp", as we watch these pirate scum from afar, you will see their pack mentality. There is always one alpha male, usually called the "FC". The "FC" has to control the rest of the scum so that they listen, and follow him. In a gatecamp though, people get bored, and a power struggle can occur.
Is this what you're after?
Or are u just after a big warning light that says IF YOU JUMP UN-SCOUTED, YOU'RE AN IDIOT ANYWAY! |
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
The Big Dirty
14
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:28:00 -
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I love tears. They are the fuel that makes my instalock ship make care bears go blap. :D |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:51:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Calathorn Virpio wrote:a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.
low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it Here's a warning system for you: My middle finger as your overview lights up with flashy red on it. Next time you want to ***** and moan about losing pods, and other stuff fly something Bigger than a kestrel. Oh and yes I can do as I please and I love it. That includes blowing whinny little high sec kids like you to bits and getting a very nasty hatemail and a scary "kill right" because I'm already - 10 and CONCORD is going to chase me in a 0.4 or your little ratting brigade is going to come hunt me. But by all means bring more people to low sec. We need the prey
Just don't take the Ashmarir route to lowsec.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=4006&m=2&y=2013
Also note the relatively low number of frigate and AF kills.
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Lucy Oreless
The Guardian Knights
122
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Posted - 2013.03.04 14:44:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:I love tears. They are the fuel that makes my instalock ship make care bears go blap. :D
Hi handsome  Long time no see... Is there any pants now?
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-áI did not have sexual relations to THAT woman.... |
Sentamon
720
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:45:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Get eight friends with battleships together and show them what you think of their gate camp.
You're a genius. It's not like they'll immediately dock up when faced with any sort of challenge, nope wont happen at all. Then you'll be the idiot sitting at a gate camp with 8 battleships.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out
Suddenly Spaceships.
33195
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:53:00 -
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I'm sure i'm parked in LOWSEC right now.
Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.03.04 15:58:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Calathorn Virpio wrote:low sec and null are identical right now. If only it was - please let me know when you find a way to drop bubbles in low sec. 
the classic definition of low-sec : It's like 0.0 but you can't drop bubbles
also there is no isk in lowsec
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3664
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:14:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Get eight friends with battleships together and show them what you think of their gate camp. You're a genius. It's not like they'll immediately dock up when faced with any sort of challenge, nope wont happen at all. Then you'll be the idiot sitting at a gate camp with 8 battleships.
Very true, except you miss the point that those 8 Battleships now control the gate, and access through that system. Meaning that their corp mates and friends can freely conduct whatever Low Sec business they have (and so can everyone else).
Low Sec gate camps are very vulnerable to being counter ganked (though not as much as Null Sec gate camps)... but it takes a little more brainpower and planning that simply jumping in 8 BS. You need a few tacklers and/or warp in points (if the camp is for the most part operating at range from the gate), preferably ones that have already slipped into system through the camp... and juicy bait is always a plus if you don't want to wait for an innocent to wander by and get snagged.
The gate guns are there to put the pirate camp at a disadvantage, not to eliminate it completely. The game mechanics are there to encourage hostile encounters, not to ensure they don't happen at all.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
356
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:16:00 -
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There's already a fix, I use it all the time...I don't go to low.  |
Levome Thorphan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:17:00 -
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Very true... low-sec is completely useless/obsolete at this moment. There's absolutely no advantages for using low-sec instead of high-sec :( |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
93
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying.
Karash Amerius
Operative, Sutoka |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3664
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:33:00 -
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Levome Thorphan wrote:Very true... low-sec is completely useless/obsolete at this moment. There's absolutely no advantages for using low-sec instead of high-sec :(
Outside of FW, that is completely true and needs to be rectified. I'm hoping that there will be an overall resource/industry/economy restructuring that also takes Low Sec into consideration, instead of just focusing on Null and High sec.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3664
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:33:00 -
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Karash Amerius wrote:This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying.
Undoubtably.
Fortunately, the OP's original intent is fairly irrelevant to this conversation.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Santo Trafficante
the united
Negative Ten.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:38:00 -
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Go F**k urself OP |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1197
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:47:00 -
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Exploration, missioning, PI, Industry... all are safe in high sec.
Exploration, missioning, PI, Industry... all are safe in sov blue.
In low sec, nothing is safe. You have to learn how to do things the right way, and your tactics MUST change to survive. Low sec is what this game SHOULD be about. Not sov, not high sec Veld mining, not 11% missioning tax, 10% PI tax, and relative safety outside the Niarja and Uedama corridors.
Turn it up. And I don't mean more d!cks in Tornados that apparently have problems locking targets.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:53:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Allow bombs to be used in low sec, that is all.
This
Me wants to warp a couple alts and bomb them all meanies at the gate ;)
Gate camp problem solved.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sentamon
721
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Posted - 2013.03.04 16:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:[quote=Katran Luftschreck]Get eight friends with battleships together and show them what you think of their gate camp. Very true, except you miss the point that those 8 Battleships now control the gate, and access through that system.
You don't control anything in lowsec. Assuming it's only 1 gate and your lame gatecamp might be semi effective at system control, well ... I can run a gatecamp in my sleep.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:02:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:The gate guns are there to put the pirate camp at a disadvantage, not to eliminate it completely. The game mechanics are there to encourage hostile encounters, not to ensure they don't happen at all.
The idea is not bad, unfortunately the way gate guns are so easy to tank just made of gate camps nothing more than graveyard camping, thus not increasing pvp but diminishing pvp.
This is not pvp, it's just another shooting ducks game, with space ships. yay!!
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
794
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:05:00 -
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low sec is a lot like the NPC 0.0 sec.
Theres stations to dock in that cant be "owned" by players, theres small groups of pirates/pvpers and short cut taking high sec bears all buzzing around, occasionally shooting each other. Camps are pretty rare, the only consistent camps are the low sec systems closest to the trade hubs, *probably* 99% of low sec gates are uncamped.
Plus theres FW low sec areas for a little extra, randomness with the pvp.
The gate camps can be spotted very easily and also very easy to scout, map + docking in last high sec and buying a shuttle/newbship and checking the low sec step out first.
The isk to be earnt in low sec should be FAR closer to null sec payouts. Since low sec cant be bubble camped and sov claimed large organisations cant make it "secure" for their members. Theres many more people trying to earn money with the extra risk - usually more dangerous risks than being in a null sec alliance with space and earning money - the reward should reflect this risk factor better.
should be like this:
high sec: low but safe and steady isk - can be soloed.
low sec, medium isk, very risky, small gangs, solo is hard.
null/WH: medium to great isk, risky, large crops/alliances can hold sov and protect space with bubble camps and bridges, solo is next to impossible (ninja ratting/mining/exploration).
For all the extra complications and potential randoms either pvping you or doing the same PVE you are, rewards if they were nice and high, would certainly convince more bears to group and leave the lights of the big city high sec and get their hands dirty with some nice iskies :)
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
286
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:06:00 -
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lowsec is fine.
gatecamps are not hard to slip past, if you're not dumb |
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
71
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:08:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:A few points:
1: I agree with the idea that Low Sec should have unique rewards available there.
I also agree with you on that...the question is, what should these rewards be?
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Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:12:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:I sort of agree. Even the highest security parts of low sec come with gate camps. And not even good ones at that. Just cheaply fitted rag tag pirate bands that can tank the gate guns with ease.
I would welcome some sort of sliding scale for security.
it should take more to gate camp 0.4 than that.
Wonder if it's too much to ask that the gate warns you in 0.5 that the 0.4 exit is camped.
Not a big warning. Just a flashing light or something like that to alert that the gate guns on the other side were recently fired.
basically what i'm asking for.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
615
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:14:00 -
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This thread is returded.
And
If you find a active tanked gate camp in low sec run bs "a few" pirates...just kill them...they wont Do you much harm...
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:15:00 -
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Destru Kaneda wrote:I live in low and rarely see gate camps, so not sure if serious.
On average I hit one every 60 jumps or so. Just use your map and don't derp a Drake into a system with a ton of recent kills and you'll be fine.
Or you know, do it it anyway and take a couple down with you. Most camps are **** anyway.
i ran into the same loki in three differennt systems, and the one he got me in had no "giant blob of orange"
map can be used by both sides, pirates can look at were the traffic is and then find side systems were people trying to avoid the orange blobs go through, and get them there......
what the loki did to me
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14343
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:19:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:I sort of agree. Even the highest security parts of low sec come with gate camps. And not even good ones at that. Just cheaply fitted rag tag pirate bands that can tank the gate guns with ease.
I would welcome some sort of sliding scale for security.
it should take more to gate camp 0.4 than that.
Wonder if it's too much to ask that the gate warns you in 0.5 that the 0.4 exit is camped.
Not a big warning. Just a flashing light or something like that to alert that the gate guns on the other side were recently fired. basically what i'm asking for. There is already a warning you are entering low sec. If you want more info, you'll have to work for it like everyone else.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
334
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:20:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:A few points:
1: I agree with the idea that Low Sec should have unique rewards available there.
I also agree with you on that...the question is, what should these rewards be?
Im all for some expanded interactions with the pirate factions.
Hidden outposts that have to be scanned out offering pirate missions and/or missions to move contraband to highsec would be a good start, lets make dodging the customs officers actually mean something.
Perhaps expand faction warfare so that pirates who oppose a faction (guristas and the caldari spring to mind straight away) can degrade that factions system ownership (not take it, just degrade it) and give lp and loyalty store rewards accordingly.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:26:00 -
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Karash Amerius wrote:This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying.
he found me!
quick! gotta hide somewhere before ISD gets me
seriously, i love how i posted a SMALL amount of info and isd insat locked me, this things trolling responses just keep goin and going and going though.
i sense a double standard here |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:27:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Karash Amerius wrote:This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying. Undoubtably. Fortunately, the OP's original intent is fairly irrelevant to this conversation.
because y'all derailed it with all the troll threads |
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