gate camps suck but just having better mechanics with the guns seems not to be the answer. some form of better intel would rule. something that also rewards campers for being cunning and possibly invisible.

You are bad and you should feel bad.

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

low sec and null are identical right now.

If only it was - please let me know when you find a way to drop bubbles in low sec.

'cos i don't use scout alts?

what are you on about low sec is the best

if gate camps were fewer, i would agree

Get a scout alt or

Gate camps aren't all that hard to avoid

right now we have high and null sec, low doesn't really exist.

if gate guns in low can be tanked by anything BC and up, just get rid of them CCP, be honest, low sec and null are identical right now.

a small pirate fleet shouldn't be able to gate camp in low, let alone a single loki.

we have high sec and null sec currently, if you haven't played the game continuesly for a few years, you can't leave high sec.

So not true. I'm a noob. Been playing just under a month. My corps main base is in low-sec and we're always having to deal with local pirate groups and regular gate camps.

Yep I've been blown up a number of times but I and we manage just fine. The majority of my corp are members younger then me game time wise. We have a few longer term players who have taught us survival techniques and how manage the risk.

I travel back and forth between low and high all the time. I played only in high sec for about a week before going to low sec. If I had stayed in high sec I probably would have more isk right now but boy was it easy and boring in comparison. Gatecamps can be annoying but part of playing in low-sec is dealing with them and playing with there existence. It means that sometimes what I plan on doing I can't so I do something different. It means each game day can be different depending on what other locals decide to do. It's great and so much more interesting all round.

Pator has a lowsec base?

i shouldn't have to rely on others

Yeah, Eve is a solo game... sheesh

Should clean up that nonsense.

Why was that dropped anyway? Or is it still on the table?

Pator has a lowsec base?

We had warp to 0 fix a lot of low sec and maybe a little lag, but why not just have the jumpgates hurl us to where we want to go bypassing it entirely?

I think that would be the quickest the best solution.

we have high sec and null sec currently, if you haven't played the game continuesly for a few years, you can't leave high sec.

We had warp to 0 fix a lot of low sec and maybe a little lag, but why not just have the jumpgates hurl us to where we want to go bypassing it entirely?

I think that would be the quickest the best solution.

I've biomassed multiple mains thinking I'd never come back, but I always do. I've started several main characters and all of them (including my first) left high sec almost immediately. I know from first hand experience that a BC is plenty capable of null sec belt ratting with about a month of training. You might not be an awesome solo killing machine right off the bat, but you can contribute to PvP fleets pretty quickly. Your statement is objectively and demonstrably wrong.


They already have that. It's called a cyno.

you omited the rest, i said in empire space, anything goes in null, i get that, that's a sandbox, but it shouldn't go from relativly safe to insta pop if not in a large corp.

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

It already exists, it's called a scout.

To op:
What a load of total bs

First of all, read up on the game-history, intentions of game (from CCP) and then read up on mechanics.... Perhaps after that you will be back in here with half a clue

Gatecamps can be annoying but part of playing in low-sec is dealing with them and playing with there existence. It means that sometimes what I plan on doing I can't so I do something different. It means each game day can be different depending on what other locals decide to do. It's great and so much more interesting all round.

right now we have high and null sec, low doesn't really exist.

if gate guns in low can be tanked by anything BC and up, just get rid of them CCP, be honest, low sec and null are identical right now.

a small pirate fleet shouldn't be able to gate camp in low, let alone a single loki.

we have high sec and null sec currently, if you haven't played the game continuesly for a few years, you can't leave high sec.

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

lol so many cowards ...

are you not the guy shooting capsules in hi-sec?

i shouldn't have to rely on others traveling in empire space, and a scout alt is just dum, by the time i switch back to my main toon, things will have changed

Wow, I'm actively living and operating in an area of space that doesn't exist.

Either that or the OP is a moron.

if you haven't played the game continuesly for a few years, you can't leave high sec.

i shouldn't have to rely on others traveling in empire space, and a scout alt is just dum, by the time i switch back to my main toon, things will have changed

i said in empire space, anything goes in null, i get that, that's a sandbox, but it shouldn't go from relativly safe to insta pop if not in a large corp.

new players corps shouldn't have to experience the "relative" safety of high sec(since CCP told GOONSWARM year long hulkageddon was a no-no and buffed concord to splat anyone that tried pirating in anything above .5) and go into low sec with only a relatively small amount of eve experience and get splatted. burn people and they leave

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

a warning system that lets you know if there's a gate camp would be nice.

low sec is still empire space mostly, doesn't fit in the game that pirates can just do as they please in it

Here's a warning system for you: My middle finger as your overview lights up with flashy red on it. Next time you want to ***** and moan about losing pods, and other stuff fly something Bigger than a kestrel. Oh and yes I can do as I please and I love it.

That includes blowing whinny little high sec kids like you to bits and getting a very nasty hatemail and a scary "kill right" because I'm already - 10 and CONCORD is going to chase me in a 0.4 or your little ratting brigade is going to come hunt me.

But by all means bring more people to low sec. We need the prey

I love tears. They are the fuel that makes my instalock ship make care bears go blap. :D

Get eight friends with battleships together and show them what you think of their gate camp.

If only it was - please let me know when you find a way to drop bubbles in low sec.

You're a genius. It's not like they'll immediately dock up when faced with any sort of challenge, nope wont happen at all. Then you'll be the idiot sitting at a gate camp with 8 battleships.

Very true... low-sec is completely useless/obsolete at this moment. There's absolutely no advantages for using low-sec instead of high-sec :(

This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying.

Allow bombs to be used in low sec, that is all.

Very true, except you miss the point that those 8 Battleships now control the gate, and access through that system.

The gate guns are there to put the pirate camp at a disadvantage, not to eliminate it completely. The game mechanics are there to encourage hostile encounters, not to ensure they don't happen at all.

A few points:

1: I agree with the idea that Low Sec should have unique rewards available there.

I sort of agree. Even the highest security parts of low sec come with gate camps. And not even good ones at that. Just cheaply fitted rag tag pirate bands that can tank the gate guns with ease.

I would welcome some sort of sliding scale for security.

it should take more to gate camp 0.4 than that.



Wonder if it's too much to ask that the gate warns you in 0.5 that the 0.4 exit is camped.

Not a big warning. Just a flashing light or something like that to alert that the gate guns on the other side were recently fired.

I live in low and rarely see gate camps, so not sure if serious.

On average I hit one every 60 jumps or so. Just use your map and don't derp a Drake into a system with a ton of recent kills and you'll be fine.

Or you know, do it it anyway and take a couple down with you. Most camps are **** anyway.

basically what i'm asking for.

I also agree with you on that...the question is, what should these rewards be?

This is a very creative troll that is laughing at all of you. Just saying.

Undoubtably.

Fortunately, the OP's original intent is fairly irrelevant to this conversation.

I also agree with you on that...the question is, what should these rewards be?

Here's a bit brainstorming from me:

thinking criminal underbelly of the empires
only available if you have security rating -5 and lower
hidden stations where lawful pilots get shot at and can't dock
hidden smuggler gates through low-sec, to NPC 0.0 and even high-sec
hidden pirate haven systems that can only be reached with smuggler gates
epic arc agent introducing you to the underground, giving you the first few bookmarks to hidden content
other bookmarks available as pirate storyline rewards
positions of criminal agents could be found as drops from rats like the old logs
work for an agent, get more bookmarks
of course people can copy and sell those, so no need for everyone to grind missions
easier access to booster production in criminal stations
possibly corpse reprocessing and implant manufacture
access to special manufacturing plants for PI that allow slave trade, drug manufacture and other illegal trades
access to meta-modules, faction rigs or new, restricted modules and/or ships

That just for the beginning, I am sure you can come up with more of the like.

I think someone wrote a ton about a low-sec overhaul, but I forgot where I saw that.

I also agree with you on that...the question is, what should these rewards be?

Hidden outposts that have to be scanned out offering pirate missions and/or missions to move contraband to highsec would be a good start, lets make dodging the customs officers actually mean something.

Perhaps expand faction warfare so that pirates who oppose a faction (guristas and the caldari spring to mind straight away) can degrade that factions system ownership (not take it, just degrade it) and give lp and loyalty store rewards accordingly.

Here's a bit brainstorming from me:

only available if you have security rating -5 and lower

I think someone wrote a ton about a low-sec overhaul, but I forgot where I saw that.

Alts make this contraband stuff pointless, all you need is an alt, scout the gate and pick the mission when it's clean. Pointless!



You can already do something about it, get in to the opponent militia and mess with them.

Alts make this contraband stuff pointless, all you need is an alt, scout the gate and pick the mission when it's clean. Pointless!



You can already do something about it, get in to the opponent militia and mess with them.

I think the interesting extension of this idea would be for FW to influence the actual security status of the system as well... with the ultimate goal being to eventually be able to turn a system into high sec.

You don't control anything in lowsec. Assuming it's only 1 gate and your lame gatecamp might be semi effective at system control, well ... I can run a gatecamp in my sleep.

Why on earth would FW players want to shut down their own warzone?

The idea is not bad, unfortunately the way gate guns are so easy to tank just made of gate camps nothing more than graveyard camping, thus not increasing pvp but diminishing pvp.

This is not pvp, it's just another shooting ducks game, with space ships. yay!!

A change in security status would do nothing to stop the ongoing war between the various factions in those select systems. Those systems would be earmarked as "turnable".

While it would not affect conflict between the different empire militia's (they are at war), it would have significant affect on any pirates that wish to operate in those area's (thus providing incentive). I can think of plenty of other incentives as well including pirate faction rookie ships for members, and excellent pricing through the pirate loyalty stores on various pirate faction vessels and modules... perhaps boosters could figure into this as well.

To expand (very briefly) on this, the only hurdle really is how do pirates "liberate" a system from empire control... assuming the other Militia can't get the job done.

Not too difficult really. While in a "turnable" or border system that an empire has assumed control of and eventually raised it's sec status to .5, Concords role becomes that of protecting the common citizen. Meaning that for anyone other than a representative of a militia Concord would respond as normal. However ships and facilities owned by an empire milita (or militia member) are considered to be part of a military force that is expected to provide it's own security... not only against attacks by other empire milita's but also against pirate activites. They (and their facilites) are not considered (in these systems) to be under Concords civilian protection.

Beyond these "Border" systems Concord maintains it's all encompassin law enforcement edict as per normal.

This means that if regular militia activities don't knock a given border system back to negative sec status, the pirate factions could take matters into their own hands.

easy fix to problem

no matter what, anything smaller then a BS dies if gate camping near gate guns, even with reps.

if you're going to gate camp outside of null, it should cost you to lose your ships

I think it would be better if we had people fighting for pirate factions to turn 0.5 systems, ie, Hek, into 0.4 systems. Now that would be interesting

I still strongly believe in the idea that was floated a while back about escalating gateguns. What ever happened to that awesome idea? Gatecamping has not only killed lowsec, but also acts as the most significant barrier to highsec players making the natural progression to low and nullsec space. The pirates that often whine endlessly about highsec have created the very problem. Lowsec is a wasteland of their own creation.

I've been on both sides of the equation, in Low Sec, Null, and in High Sec war situations. Preventing gate camps even in a multiple gate system isn't difficult if you have the right ships and people in place. In this manner you do indeed "control" the system, at least to the extent that you are interested in doing so. This does not mean you drive the pirates out of system, or even stop them from trying to get the occasional gank at a gate or station, but you can easily render their efforts against anyone in your coms relatively ineffective (unless they are in something entirely inappropriate to the situation or simply stupid).

As I said, if the anti-pirates are well organized you are vulnerable when running a low sec gate camp (you are congrated in one very predictable spot, usually because you are too lazy to use tacticals). It is also true that similar gate camps in Null are even more vulnerable, and incredibly juicy targets. In fact, there exists a subset of highly skill players that specialize in breaking such gate camps solo... but that involves a completely different set of tactics... but it an awful lot of fun.

The only thing that keeps most gate campers alive is the fact that the vast majority of the time their targets are too poorly organized to counter them.

I still strongly believe in the idea that was floated a while back about escalating gateguns. What ever happened to that awesome idea? Gatecamping has not only killed lowsec, but also acts as the most significant barrier to highsec players making the natural progression to low and nullsec space. The pirates that often whine endlessly about highsec have created the very problem. Lowsec is a wasteland of their own creation.

Of course, they argued against this suggested change with gusto. I guess they wouldn't see it as true PvP if their victims weren't marching neatly single-file into their gatecamp. The very idea of the less-PvP-orentated players of highsec being able to "get a foot in the door" of lowsec without being immediately getting OMGWTF-FACE-RAPED was competely unacceptable to them. I mean, they'd have to actually use probes to scan people down, and actually make an effort to find their targets. How unfair would that be?

So, an idea that would lead to more targets, more potential profits for highsec players willing to take the risk, as well as a potentially revitalised lowsec was strongly argued against by pirates because........ well, i'm not competely sure, other than it being for their own selfish reasons. I'm not even convinced they were sure they knew, other than it being a standard "Don't change my EvE". At least, none of them could make a convincing case against it. I invite you to try now!

Personally, i thought this was the best idea i'd heard in a long time. For the betterment of all of EvE.

So by creating a 0.5 system out of a 0.4 FW system we in FW
-lock out the -5.0 and below pirates, one of our best source of fights
-allow anyone not -5.0 to get a free aggress on us, while we don't get to shoot first because Concord will blap us?
-Lowers mission rewards, belt rats, exploration spawns and everything else based on sec status

Yes from a lore PoV it'd make sense for the Gallente militia to want to increase the security status of say Old Man Star, but in practical gameplay terms its not so clever.

You could create it so the truesec remains the same, meaning a lowsec system could be bumped to 0.5 yet still gain the benefits from belt rats, mission rewards, etc. As far as being dynamic you could take it even further, and that station ownership would shift towards NPC corporations that line with said faction.

To take the idea even further, you could have systems around areas that are being attacked begin to drop in security status. Say Gallente begin to make a push into Caldari space and take a few systems, after which adjacent Caldari highsec space would decrease in sec status.

The pirates and combat aspect of it could cause an issue, but as a recall many get annoyed with pirates interfering. This just allows/promotes fights between the warring factions.


However the idea of a fully dynamic Eve is only a pipe dream, since CCP would never take a chance on such radical changes. Even if it matches up completely with the whole idea of a sandbox, though they seem to have no issues throwing it around any chance they can.

To address the worthy points Takseen made above.

-The inability of -5.0 pirates to operate in that system if the Militia succeeds is the main motivation for them to attempt to interfere. If they are not successful then they either need to rely on their members that can still operate in that area, or they need to do what they can to help the opposing Militia break that system loose again. Strong incentive.

-I think it rather goes without saying that if Pirate factions become part of FW (which is going to happen in one form or another very shortly) then the Militia's will be considered to be in a state of war with members of those said Pirate factions. Thus any Pirate Faction member able to enter the system can fire on the Militia freely, and vice versa... and not just in that system either. Normal Faction police response would be generated against Pirate Faction members venturing deeper into an Empire Factions space. Also keep in mind, not all Pirate Faction member necessarily end up with a negative security status. Many of their targets will be legitimate in the eyes of Concord.

-The bonuses that Militia members receive in a Low Sec system that they successfully convert to a "Border" High Sec system would be substancial obviously, just as they are for controlling Low Sec systems versus their enemy faction. "Liberating" said Border system back to a Low Sec status could likewise have perks for the Pirate Faction members.

I'm not tryiing to bash you here, just taking the mechanics involved to their logical conclusions.

I still strongly believe in the idea that was floated a while back about escalating gateguns. What ever happened to that awesome idea? Gatecamping has not only killed lowsec, but also acts as the most significant barrier to highsec players making the natural progression to low and nullsec space. The pirates that often whine endlessly about highsec have created the very problem. Lowsec is a wasteland of their own creation.

Of course, they argued against this suggested change with gusto. I guess they wouldn't see it as true PvP if their victims weren't marching neatly single-file into their gatecamp. The very idea of the less-PvP-orentated players of highsec being able to "get a foot in the door" of lowsec without being immediately getting OMGWTF-FACE-RAPED was competely unacceptable to them. I mean, they'd have to actually use probes to scan people down, and actually make an effort to find their targets. How unfair would that be?

So, an idea that would lead to more targets, more potential profits for highsec players willing to take the risk, as well as a potentially revitalised lowsec was strongly argued against by pirates because........ well, i'm not competely sure, other than it being for their own selfish reasons. I'm not even convinced they were sure they knew, other than it being a standard "Don't change my EvE". At least, none of them could make a convincing case against it. I invite you to try now!

Personally, i thought this was the best idea i'd heard in a long time. For the betterment of all of EvE.