You realize the result of this is entrenched stagnant null-sec alliances concerned with nothing but RMT profits.

Heh, well assuming everyone isn't allied and you can convince someone to risk their gravy train, good luck invading null when they have a near infinite supply of cheap T1 ships to throw away in defense.

question is: who forces them players to risk/hard work/all this great stuff in 0.0? No one except themself and their slave-lords.
Their chose this way so why whine now?

so yes. totally flawed

Because a large number of players are carebears, and a large number of them fund their accounts on PLEX, there HAS to be a place that is (relatively safe), that allows people to go about their business (mostly) unmolested, to guarantee a way to grind the ISK needed to keep the accounts funded.

That's the most confusing part of the argument for null sec having better industry...

Consider what CCP put Nulsec into the game for

"an area of space where capsuleers (the players) can build thier own empires"

At any point have CCP said that doing the above should be easy, cheap or low-risk ??
where CCP have failed in delivering that objective, is by restricting the players ability to achieve it.

If CCP allowed multiple outposts per system, most nulsec areas would then have the potential to easily equal hisec for industry and research, but you would have to work for it.

Tippia, would all of that add anything worth doing to the space?

Unless there's a latent market that nobody is talking about there just aren't enough people to justify major changes to nullsec industry.

Help me out here, what do you mean "if the industrial capacity was there"? I see empty moons all over down here just waiting for a manufacturing POS to go up on. Slots galore.

I have only manufactured ammo from a POS, and have limited experience with larger scope manufacturing. What makes it so painful?

And I am aware that Outposts do need the ability of increased industry capabilities, but I do believe the amount of increase Tippia would like to see is frankly too much.

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Similar to this but a bit less say 50=70% of what you are asking.

And they already are, by a mile.

Lack of uber null industry is a made up problem that only exists

Then don't build in nullsec, there's nothing stopping you from using highsec industry.

Straw man

Sure it is.

There is no question the biggest problem with null sec is the

If these intellectually dishonest null high sec players thast complain here really cared about null sec and the game they would be pushing for substantial changes to null and sovereignty that everyone KNOWS are needed instead of wasting time complaining about mining barge EHP and high sec carebears non-existent nullsec cabals.

The motives are clear as day. CCP is full of intelligent people as well and they see this for what is as well.

Your motives are clear as well, especially when most of you null bears

The solution is very simple. If you want more, go take it.

Yeah, odd that I understand the very fundamentals and these experienced players don't. Odd indeed.

Personally, I'm all for giving null sec exactly what they want: complete autonomy.

Are you really going to try to make the point that it's difficult to build an empire, when you used Goons as an example just one sentence earlier?

Oh, no. I understand balance perfectly. Give null bears everything they want, including a high sec nerf, because they clearly have a better pretty much the same direction in mind for the game than as those who designed it. See? It's not so difficult to understand after all.

So, Tippia, you seem to know an awful lot about CCP's inner workings, when can we expect to see that POS announcement?

uhhh....There aren't any teams at CCP doing a POS revamp right now.

Most of the industry stuff wanted as a part of the "null agenda" isn't on the table right now

Ok, as soon as all the nullsec ore and PvE content is put into highsec. Plus I want to build and fight with Titans in highsec too.

PUNISHED!? Are you in pain?

How about all the crying blue donut children abandon nullsec and leave it for the adults to manage.

Stop with the "of empire" that's the flaw.

Just say "null needs more slots". That's all you need.

Poor highsec. Poor Empire.

That implies you do not wish to be autonomous from highsec, but in direct competition.

That would be accomplished by hey, I know, stop transporting **** to sell in empire and create your own market. But that did not work did it?

CCP LIKES the conflict, they WANT the competition.

Let's assume the number of slots are the same. (Hypothetical) Would you expect a lawless area that is war-torn, with a low population and no taxes to have better industrial capacity than a tax stable, consumer rich and safe area?

Null indy should be < than hi-sec. Null needs to keep its symbiotic relation with hi-sec

I agree that it's HIS point. Not with it though.

So it's important to reinvent the wheel instead of doing something you think you already know and have been doing.

There already is a margin.