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Jewdus Archos Ventures S H E P H E R D 2	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:37:00 - [1] - Quote Dear CCP. We have drones out the wazzo for everything from busting rocks to tackling but no salvage drones i know this is a combat driven game but how about some love for us guys in the back lines cleaning up the mess. Help us keep Space Clean Not Bitchin just wanting
Vult Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote I approve this product and/or service.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 155	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote at least it'd make supercarriers useful oh wait
The Apostle The Black Priests 273	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:43:00 - [4] - Quote It'd have to be "aggressive" salvaging no? Otherwise, the time it takes to click, send and retrieve salvage drones would probably be much slower and more work intensive than just using a skilled Noctis pilot. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
Jewdus Archos Ventures S H E P H E R D 2	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:48:00 - [5] - Quote The Apostle wrote: It'd have to be "aggressive" salvaging no? Otherwise, the time it takes to click, send and retrieve salvage drones would probably be much slower and more work intensive than just using a skilled Noctis pilot. it speed up the clean up process even with a noctis sure aggressive then the noctis can go tractor happy and let drones do the salvaging, or if your in a mining op to clean up rats be great in incursion were you dont want to take a noctis
Darth Skorpius Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 17	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:56:00 - [6] - Quote if you go into a program like evehq and go to the item broswer, then make sure "include non-published items" is selected, then go to skills, drone skills, you will see there is a skill for salvage drone operation. i think this also works with evemon, but havent used evemon for a couple of years, so that might have changed. my point is, they planned to introduce salvage drones at some point, but then changed thier mind Baa Means Baa!
Lithalnas Privateers Privateer Alliance 2	Posted - 2011.10.13 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote they actually had the salvage drone skill in the game at one time. This was removed some time ago and the skill points reimbursed. How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T) http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
BLACK-STAR 142	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote Darth Skorpius wrote: my point is, they planned to introduce salvage drones at some point, but then changed thier mind this is how incredibly slow ccp is. +1 for salvage drones or even ones that would tow the wrecks to you [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
Phantom Slave Cryogenic Creations 12	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:06:00 - [9] - Quote They aren't in the game because of the way items are handled by the database. Ccp talked about them in one of the '08 or '09 Fanfest videos. The problem was that if your inventory was full when the drones brought you the items then the drone inventory would flush and the item would be lost. As far as I know Ccp couldn't find a way around the limitation with the old code. Now that everything is corified the issue may not be there anymore. Perhaps a Dev response could shed some light on the situation.
Breaker77 Reclamation Industries 16	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:07:00 - [10] - Quote Darth Skorpius wrote: if you go into a program like evehq and go to the item broswer, then make sure "include non-published items" is selected, then go to skills, drone skills, you will see there is a skill for salvage drone operation. i think this also works with evemon, but havent used evemon for a couple of years, so that might have changed. my point is, they planned to introduce salvage drones at some point, but then changed thier mind I would suggest you look on contracts and you can own your very own copy of salvage drone op for around a billion ISK or so. You can even train it all the way to level 5 and that will allow you to prove to everyone you are such a badass for being able to train an unused skill that is only available in a very limited quantity. The same with mobile refinery op, and a few other skills. Those who are not quite as badass as the above mentioned people, just have large numbers of mines collecting dust in their hangars.

Darth Skorpius Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void 17	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:10:00 - [11] - Quote Phantom Slave wrote: They aren't in the game because of the way items are handled by the database. Ccp talked about them in one of the '08 or '09 Fanfest videos. The problem was that if your inventory was full when the drones brought you the items then the drone inventory would flush and the item would be lost. As far as I know Ccp couldn't find a way around the limitation with the old code. Now that everything is corified the issue may not be there anymore. Perhaps a Dev response could shed some light on the situation. im not buying that reasoning, simply because we have mining drones, which from what i remember from the last time i used them (3+ years ago) if your cargohold was empty then you lost the ore they mined. im pretty sure mining lasers and salvaging modules work in a similar way Baa Means Baa!
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 64	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:16:00 - [12] - Quote Trust me making an entinty that existed a moment before suddenly dissapearing without having an action that really deletes it in an odd way throws one hell of a hissy fit and screws all the tables up to the point of degration. Mining ores dont really exist until they appear in the cargo bay. salvage does however.
Jewdus Archos Ventures S H E P H E R D 2	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:31:00 - [13] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Trust me making an -entity- that existed a moment before suddenly dissapearing without having an action that really deletes it in an odd way throws one hell of a hissy fit and screws all the tables up to the point of degration. Mining ores dont really exist until they appear in the cargo bay. salvage does however. what that makes no logical since salvage is the same as ore i think your thinking about loot, salvage pops in to your hold same way is ore and shots out a can with the loot in it
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 47	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:31:00 - [14] - Quote (Yes!!! I can't fit everything on my ship but with logistics drones.... yeah.... a Swiss Army Knife of a ship. I got ECM drones, Webber drones, disruptor drones, painters, repair.... bwa ha ha ha!!! Some damned fooll at CCP put a lot of drone space in that garbage can Minmatar ship that nobody wants because it's so ugly. Har har. Fools! All of them!!!1!!! Salvage drones? Now I can complete by all-purpoise ship!!!1! Uh.... quick... gotta hide my agenda......) We are seriously at a disadvantage without some kind of salvage drone. Seriously, the game is so unbalanced without some kind of salvage drone. In fact little Timmy is going to be dead by next year if we don't have salvage drones and I might have to shoot a puppy too. We need salvage drones bad or Eve will die.
Jewdus Archos Ventures S H E P H E R D 2	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:41:00 - [15] - Quote YES IF WE DONT GET THEM ILL KILL A KITTEN EVER DAY! once again i said not bitching just wanting and they would in fact be useful
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 47	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:51:00 - [16] - Quote Jewdus wrote: YES IF WE DONT GET THEM ILL KILL A KITTEN EVER DAY! once again i said not bitching just wanting and they would in fact be useful I am not against the idea, I am just making a parody of how ideas are handled. There's always a hidden agenda behind every post. Right now I fly mainly an exploration battle cruiser that suffers enough from the gimping of having the probe launcher, the hacking and arch mods, and if the probe launcher is an expanded type, that's TWO CPU module upgrades. Add to that the salvaging module in the high slot. There's a drone control extender and a cloak in highs as well. All that's left are 4 weapons positions. So if I had a salvage drone, I could get rid of the salvage module and get back a weapons slot. Others would call be daft for having such a ship, but that's my hidden agenda!!! Bwa ha ha ha! I will destroy you all!!!!... sorry sorry. Lost control there.
mkint 143	Posted - 2011.10.14 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote bad idea is still bad Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if: -velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever. -it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build. -it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5. -they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights. If you're gonna make a **** new drone, make it appropriately ****.
Aargolos Estrale Frontiers 3	Posted - 2011.10.14 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote I remember seeing this on the eve wiki when I first started playing, then looking at the market/contracts for them. Seems it has since been removed. As a high-sec "carebear", I don't see any need for them considering the Noctis. Forget salvage, just run another mission.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 148	Posted - 2011.10.14 01:19:00 - [19] - Quote Aargolos wrote: I remember seeing this on the eve wiki when I first started playing, then looking at the market/contracts for them. Seems it has since been removed. As a high-sec "carebear", I don't see any need for them considering the Noctis. Forget salvage, just run another mission. I think people are thinking of carrying them on their battleships so that they can salvage while they kill rats. Its called Marauders, you know.. But anyway i agree, wanna see some salvage drones and maybe some tug drones as well (tractor drones) Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Jewdus Archos Ventures 2	Posted - 2011.10.14 01:38:00 - [20] - Quote mkint wrote: bad idea is still bad Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if: -velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever. -it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build. -it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5. -they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights. If you're gonna make a suck-ass new drone, make it suck ass appropriately. no need for a t2 version i am talking turn a t1 miner in to a salvager thats it no super savagers of DOOM

mkint 143	Posted - 2011.10.14 01:42:00 - [21] - Quote Jewdus wrote: mkint wrote: bad idea is still bad Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if: -velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever. -it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build. -it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5. -they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights. If you're gonna make a suck-ass new drone, make it suck ass appropriately. no need for a t2 version i am talking turn a t1 miner in to a salvager thats it no super savagers of DOOM You don't get it... it IS a T2 drone (as in requires an ass-load of skills, costs a lot, and uses T2 materials to build.) It should still perform as poorly as an unbonused T1 salvager, and fly as poorly as a T1 mining drone. I'm saying they should suck. They should suck and be expensive. They should suck, be expensive, and die without summoning concord or granting aggro rights. And they should be heavy drone sized.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 64	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:06:00 - [22] - Quote the drones on the data base are tech 1 and there are no tech 2 versions.
Jewdus Archos Ventures 2	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:07:00 - [23] - Quote wow so you want them to be handy caped and useless iam saying t1 or t2 make them as functional as a slavager theres plenty of place they would come in handy and they would not make a noctis useless since they would drop to your hold give noctis a drone bay
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 44	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:08:00 - [24] - Quote This is the the main reason why you wont get salvage drones: Noctis. Why would they bring in a ship like the Noctis and then later something else that does the exact same thing? I don't know, sometimes you just have to sit and shake your head at the things people say. Aren't tractor beams fast enough? If I had to guess, I would say its just because you're lazy. I bet you imagine that you'll just let them go and watch them clear the field of wrecks without pressing a single button. I think that's the main reason you want them.
Jewdus Archos Ventures 2	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote lazy has nothing to do with it, you'd still have to loot wrecks and once again there are places were its to dangerous to risk a noctis have 2 ,3 salvage drones on your BS or BC when your out. and from personal exp the noctis sucks when your trying to blitz thorough lvl 3-4 missions with a large group of people you need 2-3 of them to keep pace. leave to people to take something to the extreme because its not what they would do. if you enjoy runing back and forth to change ships or wating on the noctis to catch up then groovey. this not a replacement for a noctis since at most your be able to use 5 at once on a Bs or BC and you have to have space for salvage those less ammo (unless your amarr) it all ready has its trade offs and i looked they were planed to be T1 drones and NO THERE BLOODY NOT FAST ENOUGH ITS NEVER FAST ENOUGH
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 44	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:31:00 - [26] - Quote You didn't answer this: Why would they bring in a ship like the Noctis and then later something else that does the exact same thing? Plus, just how fast do you think those drones are going to be? You think you wont be sitting around waiting for them? 1. fly to a wreck. 2. salvage which takes a bit of time sometimes. 3. fly back to you to drop off the stuff. So all that taken into account I'd say only the place you don't want to risk taking a noctis is the only reason why you'd use them and I'd rather have drones for added dps (to help with frigates) than salvage. If you say "i'd have drones for dps and drones for salvage" then you'd still be waiting around at the end waiting for the drones to collect the stuff.
Gogela Freeport Exploration 69	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote A lot of that stuff is still in the database. Looking at it is kind of a hobby within a hobby for me. If you go to the following link in-game you will see that the items on this page (my favorites) link to ShowInfo, so you can still pull up the descriptions and details about these items because they are still in the EvE database: http://gogela.com/eve/odd.php The skill "Salvage Drone Operation" still exists... CCP would just need to balance it and allow our use of it. I think Salvage drones in a near term sense would be doable... ALL GëívGëí Ships \| Odd-áGëívGëí Items \| <-- Links to showInfo in-game
Jewdus Archos Ventures 3	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:40:00 - [28] - Quote if thats the only place you wouldnt take a noctis your missing alot of eve, and if thats your argument then you should be able to only fit salvagers on a noctis. drone would not replace a noctis your thinking way to much into this iam talking simple drones to help out yes you still be waiting on them so what and as far as your dps vs salavger comment i take it you solo alot . its no diffrent then haveing your suport ships with the 30 other drones to clean up behind you. and in large scale engagements a noctis is nothing more then another target unless its cloacked and sitting off i the sidelines.
KaarBaak 84	Posted - 2011.10.14 02:43:00 - [29] - Quote Just seems like they'd be as useful as mining drones. Why waste the resources? And shouldn't this be in F&I? I'll ask.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 44	Posted - 2011.10.14 03:00:00 - [30] - Quote They might be useful for some people. My opinion is just that I wouldn't use them much if at all. I wouldn't take a Noctis into a place where it could be a target tho. I usually keep the noctis a gate behind or they can enter once all the rats have aggro. But I guess if i was in lowsec and didn't want to take a dessie, they'd be alright.



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