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Pann
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:25:00 -
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We are aware that there has been a problem with finding full, juicy asteroids in lower security areas. (High security areas have been fixed and shouldn't be experiencing any problems now.) The bad news is that LeKjart is on holiday* and so the fix for this is a temporary one, but we felt you should know what's happening so it doesn't seem as though we've turned a blind eye to your plight.
There is a partial fix in place which is that the asteroids are reseeded occasionally. Each time you mine, you increase the volume of another asteroid in a random place. The system still needs to be investigated and tweaked a bit, however.
*As I said in the in-game Help channel earlier today, we have several key members of the team on holiday right now, getting reaquainted with their wives and families that they haven't seen much of over the last two years. We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause our players, but we're sure you understand that it's important that the team gets time to have a little breather now and then so they can come back to work refreshed and ready to care for the persistant world they've created.
Eve Community Manager
[email protected]
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ragnar on 22/07/2003 16:31:00
Thanks Pann for the update. Good to hear the CCP guys are getting R&R.
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Ragnar Danneskj÷ld
Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:32:00 -
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that sounds like a cool idea.
It would be hilarious if you were mining some jaspet out in the boondocks, and a bistot roid appeared beside you, and started growing, due to some gang stripmining 
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Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:37:00 -
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That would be great. We should have to go look for rocks, instead of them spawning everyday in the same place.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:46:00 -
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Thanks for the news Pann...
And keep this idea in mind...Random increase of asteroids is good. It will be more funny for miners when they get in a belt and finding new roids that weren't there before 
Does it means for instance I could find a small bist in a 0.3 system? Or it will be like someone mining bist will increase another bist roid in another belt?
Personally I prefer the idea of random spawning...
/me can't wait for mining an endless roid 
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(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:49:00 -
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better late than never i suppose... still since I dont mine I have no real reason to grumble hehehe
Cya
Stav
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.22 16:52:00 -
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huh... Eve's Law of Roidodynamics:
"asteroids can be neither created nor destroyed, just converted from one system to another."
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Halo Jones on 22/07/2003 20:18:09
*** Text removed by request ***
Oberon Incorporated. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:04:00 -
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I demand that LeKjart be deprived of his freedom right away and chained to his computer as it was for the last few years and as it should be right now! 
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Setec on 22/07/2003 17:23:04
So are any of the team members playing Eve while they're on holiday?
And have I robbed any of them yet? :)
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Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
Gargamel Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:26:00 -
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Blimey, Halo, you've got issues. Is it pent up rage from when you typo'd your corp name?
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"Gargamel alone is best" - Bill Gates |
Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:29:00 -
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Pann, you never said if mining a bistot roid increases bistot roids elsewhere, or if it increases *any* type of roid. So is the roid increase affected by the type of the ore you mine or is it random?
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Livak
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:34:00 -
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Halo,
Get use to it. That is the way game development, or any software development works. Companies don't give big vacations right before a deadline, they make them work overtime. Bust your rear to make a deadline then you have to get your employees time off. You know what happens if they don't? People quit. So get a grip and relax, it is just a game, and things are still getting fixed.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:54:00 -
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Heh, I think if they gave the devs a month off before the launch we'd have seen a charwipe already. This is exactly the way I'd handle it if I were CCP, have the devs work damn hard at launch and the following couple months to get as many issues ironed out as possible, then give them well deserved time off.
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs are still working on EVE in their time off, and I'll bet you'll see a lot of changes in the patch after they get back. Thanks for the update Pann =)
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Zeknichov
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Posted - 2003.07.22 17:56:00 -
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Would of kept them working for at least the first couple months after release then give em a brake.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.07.22 18:30:00 -
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Yup, which is what they did.
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Viktor Steel
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Posted - 2003.07.22 18:33:00 -
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hmmmm so your saying there only one person in this company that can fix the issue? wow thats pretty sad, maybe you should hire a technical recruiter? i thought all software dev's held overapping spots just for something like this.
sounds more like they didnt know exactly how to fix it and they are stalling for the much needed time. as for vacations?... get back to work and finish your damn job before hitting a cruise line with my money. 
Run? you cant run............. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:14:00 -
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I can't believe the attitude of some people.
Anyone who has managed a team KNOWS you cannot work them and work them and work them.
Anyone taking a break now will be refreshed and fighting fit when they return.
If you think you can do a better job, submit an application to CCP.
Otherwise, shut the hell up and let the guy take a break to see his kids.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:28:00 -
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Lol.
Talking about attitude...
It's okay to admit that the company is small and does not have the resources to build a more stable / bug free software and needs a break after a long development time. This might be even a sign of strength.
Adding a bug to a live system, which has been spotted very fast then and going on vacation and without fixing it is what kind of attitude?
- "Do you know CCP?"
- "Yes, this is the corp adding bugs to the game and going on vacation then. Their coders are such cryptographic experts, that only the one who has written the original code is able to correct bugs in it."
Sorry for the sarcasm here, but this is a retail software. While working in a software company and developing an operating system we always have had to have someone around who could fix BUGs within hours. Our cutomers asked for this.
But if you keep telling CCP their attitude is okay, they will sent the whole staff on vaction next summer too.
I don't want to hit the messanger, it's good to hear what's going on Pann.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:46:00 -
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Removed my previous post by request
I believe that Molly has 'eloquently' stated that which I was trying to convey. Sorry if I caused any distress, but as Molly states, I am beginning to believe along a number of lines that this production company really has people coding separate modules with no significant overlap at all.
Oh and why we cant sell pirate modules yet - market can't handle it, can barely handle the current amounts without tremendous lag.
Where's the roadmap?
Why do the PR rep speak less than once per week?
Feedback, Roadmaps, Content, please....
Oberon Incorporated. |
Shollos
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:55:00 -
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jolly good show, release a buggy game, send all people able to fix said bugs on a month long vacation...theres a good business plan right there....
sigh;/
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.22 21:03:00 -
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As much as I feel it is a pain in the arse to have so many people away at the same time, but they were probably working 7 day weeks up to release, knowing full well they were being rushed, and have spent the last couple of months patching and working on fixes. My guess if that they felt that the current situation is 'safe' as in, no n00b-raping, no major battle exploits, and no glaring problems. It is the ideal time to take a holiday.
Because, now that it's more-or-less stable (you may argue this point, but I think it is, on the whole) and most of the bugs are known, and no new ones appear to be cropping up (except the recent drone/ctd thing). They're about to start introducing major systems into the game, and sadly, there are sure to be problems, so that would be a bad time to take a break.
I don't think they had any real choice here. Any earlier, and it would have been chaos, any later, and it may still be chaos. This is the eye of the storm, and probably the only two weeks they've had off for a long time.
As for the cross-coding, yeah, I guess someone else could do it, but they probably have their own code to work on too.
</sympathy post>
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.07.22 21:04:00 -
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If im not mistaken, Icelandic labor laws require mandatory "sebaticals" for workers during some times of the summer. Before people get all up in arms at CCP, remember that they are in a different country from most of us, so the laws and customs are different. And as someone who works for a software developer, I can attest to how hard it can be for someone else to step in and continue working on and/or fix something that someone else did. Even if the devs are good about leaving comments in with the code (which none of them ever seem to be) its still often easier and more efficient to just wait for the person to come back who knew what was going on.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.22 22:18:00 -
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As annoying as it is to have stuff taking time to get fixed, I would rather have a "fresh" rejuvenated developer working on fixing bugs and adding features than a burned-out one who has been working 2 years of overtime.
That said, it would've been nice if CCP had staggered the vacations a bit.
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Blue Screen of Death
CEO
Exodus Enterprises |
Ordetta
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Posted - 2003.07.22 23:37:00 -
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Instead of caring for the Carebears and re-inventing roids so they become a never ending commodity, i'd rather you sort out the 'bugs' from all these patches youve made.
I note with increasing frustration and anger that the new patch DOES NOT resolve any of the bugs from the last patch (i have read the patch notes and there is no mention of bug fixes for local chat, buddies etc etc). FFS Pann, get a grip and clean out the bugs. You spend to much time kissing the ass of the carebears and your friends in the mega corps. There are others who play this game you know...or are we not as important as your friends?
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.07.23 00:33:00 -
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Yes, there are other people who can make quick fixes for various things, but as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it is best to leave the major decisions about certain gameplay aspects to the individual dev who's been overseeing it. The whole "too many chefs" analogy, if you will.
The roadmap is on its way. I have been able to get a sneak preview of some of it in the last few days and I assure you that what Hellmar and the team have come up with will not disappoint you. I wish I could spill the beans a bit and give you some hints, but I kinda have this addiction to getting a regular paycheck and being able to see out of both eyes.
I realize that this news doesn't fix the "here and now," and there's nothing I can say that will assuage those frustrations. I'm not going to blow smoke up your bums and pretend like there aren't some issues that the players want addressed ASAP. All I can say is that we do hear your concerns, we do care about your opinions (even the non-carebear ones ) and we are working on ways to fix those things without nerfing or changing too much in the process.
Eve Community Manager
[email protected]
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.07.23 08:49:00 -
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Pann, Could you just tell us if :
-roids will be randomly increased and dispatched around Eve's Universe (mining bist in a 0.0 belt could create a bist roid in a 0.3 belt elsewhere)?
or
-mined roid will increase another existing roid in another belt ?
Thanks Pann
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(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Sato Kayim
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Posted - 2003.07.23 09:30:00 -
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Thanks for the update, Pann. When I first saw the post for random asteroids spawning I though it was a great idea. Now explorers have something else to do.
Many very good ideas on these forums. Hope your picking out the best ones!
PS please dont listen to the carebears too much.
Necrosis....Death is only the beginning....
http://www.eve-necrosis.com |
Viktor Steel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 14:29:00 -
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Not to continue burning the trees, you guys that are all for the vacations of the dev team forget one thing...........this is there job!!! they are gettting PAID to do this, this isnt a beat software anymore, they dont do this just for shi*s and giggles.
This is simply business. Product is incomplete, but its stll worth the 12$ per month. if all the bugs were ironed out I would spend 20-25 a month on the game. but the whole vacation thing stumps me........ I manage a server cluster in the US, if there are any bugs or issues it will be fixed 2 hours after I am alerted. like pann says I like gettting a pay check so if CCP want to continue getting that pay check they need to address the issues asap not wait till the vacation is over.
Run? you cant run............. |
Vel Kyri
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Posted - 2003.07.23 14:58:00 -
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As someone pointed out - the holiday thing is LAW.
actually common in northern europe too. eg - in finland it is BY LAW required to take 4 weeks leave in summer. THIS CANNOT BE REPLACED BY MONEY etc...
its just the way things are - and it is a pain to deal with, especially if your customers are not from europe.
My sympaties go out to all the (now) overworked people who have stayed behind to make this patch, but you've done a GREAT job.
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