I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

I think a lot more would be doing PVP if there was a better entry way in.
Trust me, getting blown up and losing isk when you are out manned and out gunned is not anyone's idea of fun and does not teach the fun side of PVP . But to make me think that at least I had a chance would be a lot of fun and likely i would take the risk.

Duelling system is the worse idea they had in the last 3-4 years. And now - as many predicted - demands to turn it in a safe arena/battleground system increase. The way to the total depravation is open.

Problem with duels is they are artificials and do not give anything neither close to any real EVE pvp situation. So are not relevant in teaching or getting players into PvP.

Actually getting blown up is just the better "entry way in"; you don't "lose" isk, you just spend them to learn. And if there's something easy to make in EVE are just ISK.

I feel that if dueling was made fair (no cheating) that everyone would benefit.
Maybe with a scoreboard to keep track of winners.
The losers can keep track of themselves.

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.
Although i suspect, that once the novelty wears off the player would be more likely to take up PVP instead of mining.
This would promote higher retention of new players in the game.

I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

I think a lot more would be doing PVP if there was a better entry way in.
Trust me, getting blown up and losing isk when you are out manned and out gunned is not anyone's idea of fun and does not teach the fun side of PVP . But to make me think that at least I had a chance would be a lot of fun and likely i would take the risk.

I do not duel because i am afraid

i am afraid

i am afraid

afraid

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Winning your fears will result in better quality of life.

Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

All losses should be affordable if you are flying something that you can't afford to lose dock up immediately and fly something else. Never take it out of the hanger again, unless of course you can afford to replace it. Eve is different to other mmo's in that loss hurts, but that's ok. If it isnt painful it's not loss.

All forms of combat teach you something so give it a try and dive in.

Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

It just gives everyone the same tools and abilities and says, "you can all use and do the same things... that's fair."

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Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

What I want is for more people to try EVE and find a reason to stay.

You seem to think that i am adverse to risk. That is not true. But i am adverse to entering a fight that i don't feel that i can win.

It seems that a lot of you are attacking me and making suggestions on how i can play the game your way.
I know how to play the game your way. I do not need any suggestions.

Everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that I want to have safe dueling for my own purposes.

I feel that if dueling was made fair (no cheating) that everyone would benefit.
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I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
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I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.

And I think that safe dueling would be a way to get more players to stay in the game and want to do low sec and null PVP.

i have the skill points , isk and experience to recognize when that is.

A lot of new players do not have that.
I feel that after a few tries at "hoping to get lucky" and not succeeding that they feel the bar is to high and give up.

Does anyone have a better suggestion for how to increase new player retention?

If you try to force players to do anything, they will leave the game.

The fact that CCP added in the ''duel'' option, ment that they had given in to the demands of (my apologies) 'carebears'.

When your idea has been disproven and your thread is dying, trying to play the "it's to help new players" card means your thread is dead.

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.

This would promote higher retention of new players in the game.

I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

So you think that trying to help new players is a bad thing and not to be encouraged?

All I see is a some people saying it is a dumb idea and giving their opinion.
That in no way disproves the idea.

A lot of comments say that it would not teach PVP properly.
Well, then make is so that it does.
Have fights in random different arenas.
Like some of the wormholes that buff and nerf certain features.
Have an arena in a situation that nerfs the value of active tanking.

If you were not sure what arena you would fight in, that would cause you to learn to be more diversified in you fittings.
Would that not help a person to be better at PVP?

All losses should be affordable if you are flying something that you can't afford to lose dock up immediately and fly something else. Never take it out of the hanger again, unless of course you can afford to replace it. Eve is different to other mmo's in that loss hurts, but that's ok. If it isnt painful it's not loss.

All forms of combat teach you something so give it a try and dive in.

AHHhh, but it's simpler than that
I believe that all ships are lost the moment they are bought and fitted (you buy it to fly it and one day somebody will pop it)- making this your mindset you have nothing to lose at all when going into combat... only the enjoyment of victory to gain, if you die out there it's no big deal.

Duelling system is the worse idea they had in the last 3-4 years. And now - as many predicted - demands to turn it in a safe arena/battleground system increase. The way to the total depravation is open.

Problem with duels is they are artificials and do not give anything neither close to any real EVE pvp situation. So are not relevant in teaching or getting players into PvP.

Actually getting blown up is just the better "entry way in"; you don't "lose" isk, you just spend them to learn. And if there's something easy to make in EVE are just ISK.

The dueling system is just CCP fixing something they broke when they introduced the new Crimewatch.

In the nine years before Crimewatch 2.0, players had been using jetcans to set up duels and had even been setting up FFA arena fights.

The Way to the Total Depravation, as you put it, has always been open. Take that tinfoil off your head, it's unsightly and makes you look like someone's basted chicken dinner.

The dueling system is just CCP fixing something they broke when they introduced the new Crimewatch.

In the nine years before Crimewatch 2.0, players had been using jetcans to set up duels and had even been setting up FFA arena fights.

The Way to the Total Depravation, as you put it, has always been open. Take that tinfoil off your head, it's unsightly and makes you look like someone's basted chicken dinner.

In the nine years before Crimewatch 2.0, players had been using jetcans to set up duels and had even been setting up FFA arena fights.

No, not really so.

I'll try to explain this to you only once, since you tend to troll and insult so is probably a waste of time anyway:

Crimwatch 2.0. didnt change the canflip mechanics at all. These mechanics are still there untouched and can be used exactrly in the same way. Crimewatch 2.0 only made (as side effct) canflipping more risky since you are flagged for everyone instead for a copropration only.

Duelling system is not a replacement/fix of this but add something new to this game:
Concord granted "honorable" consensual "pvp" for high-seccer.
One can like or dislike this (I dislike) but here thepoint is that is something new and not just a "fix" for the canflipping duels.

Canflipping generated figth:
Fight chance generated by an illegal action in a typical action->consequences logic and involving someone flagged as criminal.

Duelling:
Consensual PvP generated by nothing, without any triggering event, no consequences, no flags, safe, just for fun, legally granted by Concord and pretending "honorable 1vs1 PvP".


And, for your infomation:



Is not true. The flag for stealing from cans was introduced only few years ago, i think was Trinity. before oone coild steal from cans and steal back with no PvP triggers or penalities.

And people wanted to freely fight, arranging duels, tournaments, whatever without concord problems always moved to low or null. As they still do and will always do.

If your looking for a fair fight your playing the wrong game.

Where do i say I am looking for a fair fight?

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.

Who forces anyone to duel? What the hell is an unfair advantage?

Personally, I would like to see just how good I really am. I am pretty good at killing cripples and the under privileged but just how good would I be if my opponent was not ambushed and outgunned.

An unfair advantage is where one has outside help (remote repair). An unfair advantage would be exploiting ones ignorance of the game. An unfair advantage is where a person is out numbered. The skills that i have to put T2 modules and T2 guns in a rifter would give me an unfair advantage over someone with low fitting skills.

Just the 1 1/2 years of experience i have gives me an unfair advantage over a new player fresh out of the tutorials. The training that Chuck Norris has done gives him quite an unfair advantage over me.

Do you need more examples of what an unfair advantage is?

What the hell is an unfair advantage?

There is nothing in eve meant to be fair. It is an unfair game, it has been from the start and hopefully will continue to be that way forever.
Fairness come from games like hello kitty online and my little ponies online where you probably get an achievement for typing in your name correctly.

Lions will always need sheep to prey upon, if you give sheep lush green fields, the sheep will grow on numbers and when there are too many sheep the lions will come in. This is not what would be considered fair by the sheep but for over all it is balanced.

But I know now you will reply that this is impossible cause as we all know is impossible to move in low without automaatically explode to some gatecamp.

It is already easy enough for players in high sec, no need to make it easier. And a Shepard would never try to de claw and pull the teeth of a lion they shoot them, kinda like high sec.

I lost a frig and 200m in implants to what should have been an easy Cormorant kill, but turned out to be an OG-boosted ship with insta-lock.

That does not seem like a good balance and that is what i am saying. That is what the future holds unless CCP can be shown another way.

I came up with one that i think would have positive results. It is better than the results you are prophesying.

Do you have any ideas that could sway CCP to change the direction that they seem to be heading?

The balance is there because you have the same options. As I am sure you already know it will take the same amount of skill points for all players to train gunnery 5, if you don't chose to that is fine, but don't cry about balance afterward.
You have the same options as you opponent in a duel, you can bring RR support, and OGB support, hell after you accept the duel you can dock up real quick and switch ships completely, and your opponent can do the same. That is balance in a sandbox.

That does not seem like a good balance and that is what i am saying. That is what the future holds unless CCP can be shown another way.

I came up with one that i think would have positive results. It is better than the results you are prophesying.

Do you have any ideas that could sway CCP to change the direction that they seem to be heading?

Where does that leave you?

That does not seem like a good balance and that is what i am saying. That is what the future holds unless CCP can be shown another way.

I came up with one that i think would have positive results. It is better than the results you are prophesying.

Do you have any ideas that could sway CCP to change the direction that they seem to be heading?

But is that new player friendly? Is that in the best interest of CCP?
I do believe they are wanting to increase their income.