I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

I think a lot more would be doing PVP if there was a better entry way in.
Trust me, getting blown up and losing isk when you are out manned and out gunned is not anyone's idea of fun and does not teach the fun side of PVP . But to make me think that at least I had a chance would be a lot of fun and likely i would take the risk.

Duelling system is the worse idea they had in the last 3-4 years. And now - as many predicted - demands to turn it in a safe arena/battleground system increase. The way to the total depravation is open.

Problem with duels is they are artificials and do not give anything neither close to any real EVE pvp situation. So are not relevant in teaching or getting players into PvP.

Actually getting blown up is just the better "entry way in"; you don't "lose" isk, you just spend them to learn. And if there's something easy to make in EVE are just ISK.

I feel that if dueling was made fair (no cheating) that everyone would benefit.
Maybe with a scoreboard to keep track of winners.
The losers can keep track of themselves.

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.
Although i suspect, that once the novelty wears off the player would be more likely to take up PVP instead of mining.
This would promote higher retention of new players in the game.

I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

I think a lot more would be doing PVP if there was a better entry way in.
Trust me, getting blown up and losing isk when you are out manned and out gunned is not anyone's idea of fun and does not teach the fun side of PVP . But to make me think that at least I had a chance would be a lot of fun and likely i would take the risk.

I do not duel because i am afraid

i am afraid

i am afraid

afraid

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Winning your fears will result in better quality of life.

Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

All losses should be affordable if you are flying something that you can't afford to lose dock up immediately and fly something else. Never take it out of the hanger again, unless of course you can afford to replace it. Eve is different to other mmo's in that loss hurts, but that's ok. If it isnt painful it's not loss.

All forms of combat teach you something so give it a try and dive in.

Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

It just gives everyone the same tools and abilities and says, "you can all use and do the same things... that's fair."

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Do you really think that I am suppose to enjoy losing isk.

And you are right, I am afraid, I am afraid of being STUPID.
I have not been raised to believe that being DUMB is good.

And as for demanding any changes, I am only suggesting that this would make EVE better on several levels.

What I want is for more people to try EVE and find a reason to stay.

You seem to think that i am adverse to risk. That is not true. But i am adverse to entering a fight that i don't feel that i can win.

It seems that a lot of you are attacking me and making suggestions on how i can play the game your way.
I know how to play the game your way. I do not need any suggestions.

Everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that I want to have safe dueling for my own purposes.

I feel that if dueling was made fair (no cheating) that everyone would benefit.
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I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
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I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.

And I think that safe dueling would be a way to get more players to stay in the game and want to do low sec and null PVP.

i have the skill points , isk and experience to recognize when that is.

A lot of new players do not have that.
I feel that after a few tries at "hoping to get lucky" and not succeeding that they feel the bar is to high and give up.

Does anyone have a better suggestion for how to increase new player retention?

If you try to force players to do anything, they will leave the game.

The fact that CCP added in the ''duel'' option, ment that they had given in to the demands of (my apologies) 'carebears'.

When your idea has been disproven and your thread is dying, trying to play the "it's to help new players" card means your thread is dead.

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.

This would promote higher retention of new players in the game.

I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

So you think that trying to help new players is a bad thing and not to be encouraged?

All I see is a some people saying it is a dumb idea and giving their opinion.
That in no way disproves the idea.

A lot of comments say that it would not teach PVP properly.
Well, then make is so that it does.
Have fights in random different arenas.
Like some of the wormholes that buff and nerf certain features.
Have an arena in a situation that nerfs the value of active tanking.

If you were not sure what arena you would fight in, that would cause you to learn to be more diversified in you fittings.
Would that not help a person to be better at PVP?

All losses should be affordable if you are flying something that you can't afford to lose dock up immediately and fly something else. Never take it out of the hanger again, unless of course you can afford to replace it. Eve is different to other mmo's in that loss hurts, but that's ok. If it isnt painful it's not loss.

All forms of combat teach you something so give it a try and dive in.

AHHhh, but it's simpler than that
I believe that all ships are lost the moment they are bought and fitted (you buy it to fly it and one day somebody will pop it)- making this your mindset you have nothing to lose at all when going into combat... only the enjoyment of victory to gain, if you die out there it's no big deal.

Duelling system is the worse idea they had in the last 3-4 years. And now - as many predicted - demands to turn it in a safe arena/battleground system increase. The way to the total depravation is open.

Problem with duels is they are artificials and do not give anything neither close to any real EVE pvp situation. So are not relevant in teaching or getting players into PvP.

Actually getting blown up is just the better "entry way in"; you don't "lose" isk, you just spend them to learn. And if there's something easy to make in EVE are just ISK.