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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
959
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:50:00 -
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The easiest way to do this right here, right now without affecting would be simply to replace all extraction bonuses with cycle time bonuses.
For instance players would be much more engaged if they could operate on a 45 or 60 second cycle time. This would allow for less missed cycles on near-empty roids and thus reward active players.
Lets take a ship off the lot: Retriever
4,202.51 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
180 second cycle.
Turn this into:
30 second cycle
826.5 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
Overall this won't affect the hourly progress but will let miners avoid wasting painfully long cycles on tiny asteroids.
One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
Dave Stark
1909
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:53:00 -
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no, you want a more interactive mining experience.
we, do not.
also, this isn't more interactive, this is....
oh **** it, posting in a stealth "buff mining" thread.
edit: it's actually not even a stealth thread, it's just obvious he wants mining to be even easier.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Haulie Berry
227
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no, you want a more interactive mining experience.
we, do not.
also, this isn't more interactive, this is....
oh **** it, posting in a stealth "buff mining" thread.
edit: it's actually not even a stealth thread, it's just obvious he wants mining to be even easier.
Hey everyone, look who has never read a Tom Gerard post before. |
Dave Stark
1916
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Posted - 2013.03.07 09:39:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, you want a more interactive mining experience.
we, do not.
also, this isn't more interactive, this is....
oh **** it, posting in a stealth "buff mining" thread.
edit: it's actually not even a stealth thread, it's just obvious he wants mining to be even easier. Hey everyone, look who has never read a Tom Gerard post before.
oh right, i didn't even read the poster's name. serves me right i guess.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
43
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:24:00 -
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Well...
In the case of higher end ore's any non-full units get wasted I think, so this would lower the yield of high end ores which tend to be rather bulky per unit.
I'm not opposed to mining system overhaul, but I think that instead of just tweaking the "firing rate" of the laser the system should get a more complete overhaul, once CCP gets around to it. Right after it has fixed the POS system that is ;)
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Caerfinon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
50
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:30:00 -
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How about making mining more like the Asteroids video game?
You have to shoot the asteroid to break it down and retrieve the ore, but you also need to avoid the chunks or take damage to your mining ship.... now that's interactive!  |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
317
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:50:00 -
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Caerfinon wrote:How about making mining more like the Asteroids video game? You have to shoot the asteroid to break it down and retrieve the ore, but you also need to avoid the chunks or take damage to your mining ship.... now that's interactive!
It's also twitchy, and EVE is not a twitch game.
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Carniflex
StarHunt
43
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:59:00 -
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Caerfinon wrote:How about making mining more like the Asteroids video game? You have to shoot the asteroid to break it down and retrieve the ore, but you also need to avoid the chunks or take damage to your mining ship.... now that's interactive!
Well that would put quite a dampener on my ability so semiafk mine with 5 to 6 accounts. So obviously I do not like it and neither would CCP most likely as that would cost em good chunk of subs when all the miners running 10+ accounts start cutting down to the level they can still manage.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Haulie Berry
230
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:47:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
oh right, i didn't even read the poster's name. serves me right i guess.
Tom Gerard posts are hard to miss. His avatar has the most punchable face on the forum.  |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2013.03.07 16:10:00 -
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Posting in a 'buff afk mining' thread
OP, try fitting a survey scanner if you don't like wasted cycles. You clearly just want to afk it and use the audio queue to know when to restart cycles, shorter cycles allow that with less waste.
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Dave Stark
1917
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:20:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
oh right, i didn't even read the poster's name. serves me right i guess.
Tom Gerard posts are hard to miss. His avatar has the most punchable face on the forum.
there could be a cow in the middle of the road and i wouldn't notice. let alone notice an ugly face on the left hand side of my screen.
you're tired, stop posting. |
stoicfaux
2513
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Posted - 2013.03.07 17:43:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:
Lets take a ship off the lot: Retriever
4,202.51 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
180 second cycle.
Turn this into:
826.5 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
30 second cycle
Overall this won't affect the hourly progress but will let miners avoid wasting painfully long cycles on tiny asteroids. This will contribute to an overall much more satisfying mining community, and give players a sense of immediacy.
Posting in an AFK mining NERF thread. Reducing the duration to one sixth without a corresponding cap reduction is pretty sneaky Herr Gerad! If a laser turns off because it's out of cap, it won't turn back on by itself. Never mind not reducing crystal damage or costs to one sixth as well.
And dear lord, can you imagine trying to fit a cap booster on a Retriever?!? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3610
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:38:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The easiest way to do this right here, right now without affecting would be simply to replace all extraction bonuses with cycle time bonuses.
For instance players would be much more engaged if they could operate on a 45 or 60 second cycle time. This would allow for less missed cycles on near-empty roids and thus reward active players.
Lets take a ship off the lot: Retriever
4,202.51 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
180 second cycle.
Turn this into:
826.5 m3 per cycle
27.55 m3 per second.
30 second cycle
Overall this won't affect the hourly progress but will let miners avoid wasting painfully long cycles on tiny asteroids. This will contribute to an overall much more satisfying mining community, and give players a sense of immediacy.
Yeah right.
It's already 'interactive' enough.
You just don't ever stop with the Trolling do you ?
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
0
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:36:00 -
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How about integrating a WII controller and you have to swing it at the roids like a pick? |
Javajunky
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:48:00 -
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Mining is working as intended. Ok people, move it along, just another pubbie moron.
Just another ADHD PVP player wanting something they will do for 5 minute and get bored.
Leave the things that take focus, requires math, patience and fortitude to the grown ups
Now move along... |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
38
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:02:00 -
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For a more interactive mining experience, try mining in New Order territory without a permit.
Activate modules. Mash D-scan. Warp the hell away at first sign of Catalysts or other destroyers on scan.
Much more interactive, and your errors will provide someone entertainment. |
Petrified
At River's Edge
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:26:00 -
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Reducing cycle time doesn't make mining more "interactive". You just get the pretty voice more often saying the roid is *poof*. Also, mining crystals will take damage faster :p
If you really crave more interaction out of a concern for missed cycles: fit a survey scanner and use it. You can then "interact" more by figuring out when to stop a cycle.
Also, if you want the most interaction to keep mining from being boring - mine in low sec. You can learn to use your directional scanner as well then. |
Petrified
At River's Edge
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:28:00 -
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Johnson 1044 wrote:How about integrating a WII controller and you have to swing it at the roids like a pick?
or this!
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Tion Barton
Order of the Phoenix
Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2013.03.09 04:17:00 -
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posting to confirm OP should have been aborted. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
39
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Posted - 2013.03.09 10:56:00 -
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Tion Barton wrote:posting to confirm OP should have been aborted.
Resurgent Threat built Catalysts are certified for use in 94th trimester abortions. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
318
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Posted - 2013.03.10 01:28:00 -
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More interactive mining would actually be nice. It'd make botting much more difficult, and non-botting miners would mine fewer hours per week on average, which would drive mineral prices up.
It just has to be made more interactive in a different way from the one that the OP proposed. |
YuuKnow
Planetary Purchasing
675
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Posted - 2013.03.10 04:13:00 -
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Mining is fine the way it is.
yk |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
318
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Posted - 2013.03.10 04:38:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Mining is fine the way it is.
yk
No it isn't. Whenever I mine, I do so semi-AFK. I alt+tab out of my client to read emails or use Facebook, and frequently I get up and leave the computer for a few minutes to make a sandwich or use the bathroom.
I do that because I can. Because the badly designed game mechanics lets me. |
Dave Stark
1961
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:04:00 -
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Salpad wrote:YuuKnow wrote:Mining is fine the way it is.
yk No it isn't. Whenever I mine, I do so semi-AFK. I alt+tab out of my client to read emails or use Facebook, and frequently I get up and leave the computer for a few minutes to make a sandwich or use the bathroom. I do that because I can. Because the badly designed game mechanics lets me.
except, mining is fine the way it is.
you haven't actually pointed out a single way in which mining is broken.
all you've identified is that mining lasers cycles last longer than say, an autocannon's.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
318
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:26:00 -
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Lots of people wrote:Change is bad
No, change is good. |
Dave Stark
1961
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Posted - 2013.03.10 09:56:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Lots of people wrote:Change is bad No, change is good.
but the idea in this thread, isn't.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
318
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Posted - 2013.03.10 13:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salpad wrote:Lots of people wrote:Change is bad No, change is good. but the idea in this thread, isn't.
Where have I said that it is?
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Jaq Royale
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.10 14:21:00 -
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Not sure interactive is the word you're looking for...
When I saw interactive I immediately thought: Minigame and/or quick time event
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Dave Stark
1967
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Posted - 2013.03.10 15:04:00 -
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Jaq Royale wrote:Not sure interactive is the word you're looking for...
When I saw interactive I immediately thought: Minigame and/or quick time event
which is an even worse suggestion than the one in the op.
you're tired, stop posting. |
Sentamon
740
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Posted - 2013.03.11 06:44:00 -
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Salpad wrote:More interactive mining would actually be nice. It'd make botting much more difficult, and non-botting miners would mine fewer hours per week on average, which would drive mineral prices up.
It just has to be made more interactive in a different way from the one that the OP proposed.
You are soooo wrong on this. Bots will master interactive mining in a day and miners will hate it with a passion forever.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
319
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:12:00 -
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Jaq Royale wrote:Not sure interactive is the word you're looking for...
When I saw interactive I immediately thought: Minigame and/or quick time event
I can't see any way to fix mining that doesn't involve making it into some sort of minigame.
"Quick time events" sounds like it's a twitch thing, and EVE is not a twitch game. And if it becomes one, them I'll unsubscribe and never come back, because I specifically like EVE because it's not twitchy. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1210
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:33:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Lots of people wrote:Change is bad No, Greed is good.
Fix'd 
Malcanis for CSM 8! |
Tion Barton
Order of the Phoenix
Gentlemen's Agreement
3
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Posted - 2013.03.13 03:06:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Lots of people wrote:Change is bad No, change is good.
Change for the sake of change, just to be changing something is ignorant, as highlighted by everything the OP stated.
Now, I don't know if you're ignorant or not, I would have to examine the evidence.
Lets see....
You mine, yet you don't like it. It allows you to do too much other stuff...
So.. you're playing a game and playing it in such a way that you find it lacking in enjoyment, yet you play it.
Since you cannot seem to get over the mental hurdle of NOT mining, which obviously why wouldn't you mine since you're so dissatisfied with it you should definitely keep doing it, BUT... you also cannot dream up a way to make mining more exciting, i.e., go mine somewhere more dangerous.
So, the obvious solution here is to change the game mechanics because YOU specifically cannot stop playing a game in a manner that makes you unhappy.
I'm not saying you're ignorant, but the evidence seems to be.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
325
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:24:00 -
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Tion Barton wrote:
You mine, yet you don't like it. It allows you to do too much other stuff...
I'm not the ignorant. I'm the one, of the two of us, who is able to read. Go back and actually read what I wrote. I only mine very little. And the reason I mine very little is because it's dumbly non-interactive and very low-profit.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1209
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:47:00 -
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What?!?! I don't even...
More interactive mining??? 60 second cycle is more interactive than 120 second (ice?)??? How about BC and BS rats in belts known to have high density of miners? That interactive enough for you?
Bad troll attempt, man. If you can't post anything serious or particularly innovative, don't waste the bandwidth, Tom. It's not funny anymore.
Too bad this board doesn't have a thumbs-up/thumbs down mechanism...
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1686
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:05:00 -
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Salpad wrote:
No it isn't. Whenever I mine, I do so semi-AFK. I alt+tab out of my client to read emails or use Facebook, and frequently I get up and leave the computer for a few minutes to make a sandwich or use the bathroom.
I do that because I can. Because the badly designed game mechanics lets me.
Odd, I would have entered the last sentence as "I do that because I can. Because the well designed game mechanics lets me."
That's the entire idea behind mining. Its supposed to let you do other things while keeping you on-line. You stay on-line doing something a little profitable and are thus available if something bigger comes up. CCP specifically designed it to work like that.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
102
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:16:00 -
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Tom! Where have you been? Missed your trolling in the ale house :( |
Javajunky
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:36:00 -
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Bots are no longer going to be the mining problem. Semi AFK mining is not a problem, you one or two account miners who sit on empire ice are nobodies.
When CCP is going to make a change, CCP is going to think about the guys who really do the serious mining in this game, those are the multi-boxers. These are the guys with 5-40 accounts (yes there are people with 40 accounts) running ISBoxer, those are accounts that go poof with joystik controller style mining.
End thread now - you just lost - CCP is not going to part with that subscription base.
Cheers |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
443
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Posted - 2013.03.14 05:39:00 -
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If the ships remained cap stable simular to what they are now and AFK'able sorta they way they kinda are now, then I would side with the Seasoned PVP/Mission runner OP here that can be found in mission chan often. |
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