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Luke Visteen Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 193	Posted - 2013.03.08 19:43:00 - [31] - Quote I think SP for money would sadly destroy the fun in this game. EVE would become yet another random MMO I don't always do. But when I do - I do.
Silvara Nocturn Nocturn Industries 7	Posted - 2013.03.08 19:45:00 - [32] - Quote The day that happens I will personally make a thread stating that "Eve is dying!".
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3709	Posted - 2013.03.08 19:48:00 - [33] - Quote Xearal wrote: No, No No No, NO! That's what I think 99.9999% of the player base thinks of this idea.. me included. One of the selling points of Eve is that it's not a game of instant gratifications, or endless dev hoops to jump through to get ever bigger cookies. This game takes PLAYER skill, patience, cunning and strategy to be good at. Letting people simply throw money at it, to get that instant 3 day old titan pilot complete with titan, would utterly annihilate the whole concept of the game. As for wanting to know about the Jita Riots.. google is your friend.. Try these terms: jita Riots Greed is Good Eve Microtransactions Eve Incarna They'll tell you what happened, and let me tell you.. it wasn't pretty.. the expansion called 'crucible' that came after it, it really was THE CRUCIBLE for CCP.. Never in it's history had things been at such a breaking point, if that expansion had been a flop/more cause of rioting, Eve would have Died, that is how bad the summer riots were. I'm not sure I would give him that advice. That search would turn up a number of huge threadnaughts, mostly full of a handful of well known forum trolls having a field day manipulating the EvE community. Even by looking at a handful of posts in this thread you would get the impression that CCP was actively trying to bring in Gold Ammo to EvE which, despite what some of you obviously believe, was never the case. Only if he got very, very lucky and spent a large amount of time would he have a chance of getting through to the small number of actual facts contained in all those references. Indeed most players that were here for those events still don't fully understand what was actually going on. It doesn't stop them from making emotional posts about it though. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Seranova Farreach Caldari Provisions Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.03.08 19:49:00 - [34] - Quote Scynner wrote: First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE. What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players? Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill. What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain? Biomass yourself for even suggesting that idea.
Jacid Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.03.08 20:08:00 - [35] - Quote I agree with most of the posters here if you made SP purchasable you would essentially break the game I know i wouldn't be subbing i wouldn't see any point to it. Along that same thought... but not exactly SP... what about the purchase of convenience skills an example could be autopiloting a skill book only purchasable with real money that decreases the autopilot warp to range? You would still have to spend the time to train it. Other skills books could include: Advanced Multitasking Advanced Informorph Psychology, I think ultimately we want EVE to make a solid profit so that they can afford to hire more people and add to the game mechanics we want to see (New POS anybody?)
Drake Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 66	Posted - 2013.03.08 20:31:00 - [36] - Quote It's bullsh*t that it pretty much exists in Dust but that game needs MTs to stay afloat, Eve doesn't
Velicitia Open Designs 1182	Posted - 2013.03.08 20:52:00 - [37] - Quote Scynner wrote: First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE. What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players? Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill. What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain? [bittervet] train your learning skills [/bittervet] on a more serious note -- implants. I _LOVE_ the long skills ... gives me days/weeks of not having to even care about what skill is training. Sure, it sucks a little bit when I really want to fly something (or need to, in the case of "oh **** guys! we got dec'd!") ... but the time is spent making ISK or learning _how_ to fly that ship (i.e. studying fittings, catching youtube vids, etc).
Chelly Tau Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.03.08 20:59:00 - [38] - Quote Vanity items are fine, anything that gives any advantages is not. One major problem with those micro-transaction power items is that, even if they start by giving small insignificant bonuses, they will grow exponentially and eventually break game balance: Today you get an item that gives a constant +1m/s speed boost to ships, soon they release a +10m/s version, then in a year or two it'll be a +500% speed boost item that beats having MWDs. If you look at a lot of those "free" micro-transaction based MMOs out there, you'll see this power-creep trend in cash shop items. The same could happen to $ for SP: It starts with being able to buy a limited amount of SP, then the limit is lifted and everyone can spend $$$ to max all skills, then once that market is exhausted they'll offer LV6 skills that can only be bought with $$$. Imagine one day, finding your deadspace/officer-fit [insert whatever ship you like] having trouble breaking the shields of a 2-day-old newbie's $5k-fit Velator...
Lin Gerie Hole Perception Fade 2 Black 18	Posted - 2013.03.08 22:52:00 - [39] - Quote In order to maintain a strong fairness among players it is important to reserve ALL real money related transactions to cosmetic changes only. Despite it's brutal nature and requirement of time investment the game is very fair to its playerbase. Allowing a money to win structure like what you have proposed would break the game. If you want better skills check out the character bazaar.
Velicitia Open Designs 1188	Posted - 2013.03.08 22:54:00 - [40] - Quote Silvara Nocturn wrote: The day that happens I will personally make a thread stating that "Eve is dying!". The day SP for MT is rolled out, you won't have anyone left to listen to your thread...
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 14399	Posted - 2013.03.08 22:58:00 - [41] - Quote Arix Sarn wrote: A big ** no to all micro transactions. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:-** It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 66	Posted - 2013.03.08 23:38:00 - [42] - Quote Look man, you should search function. Look up 'jita riots' and have a look to see what caused them. No to MT.
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1137	Posted - 2013.03.09 05:14:00 - [43] - Quote Scynner wrote: First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE. What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players? Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill. What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain? I think the next time I run across you in highsec I am going to say screw my security status and suicide gank you. Malcanis for CSM 8 Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin
Paikis Vapour Holdings 688	Posted - 2013.03.09 06:10:00 - [44] - Quote ITT: People who didn't read the second sentence in the OP. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 353	Posted - 2013.03.09 06:26:00 - [45] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Scynner wrote: First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE. What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players? Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill. What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain? I think the next time I run across you in highsec I am going to say screw my security status and suicide gank you. I support this service and/or product MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.-á -Garresh-
Mikaila Penshar Take it Deep 81	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:07:00 - [46] - Quote Scynner wrote: First off, don't beat me up. I'm not advocating for this change. TROLL!! why would he say don't beat him up if he didn't know what was coming? Scynner wrote: I just would like to see what the community thinks some of the causes and effects this would have on the game of EVE. as was expected when trollthread began- the beating has begun. it's a p!ss poor idea Scynner wrote: What would happen if EVE kept the sub model, and worked out a cost to purchase skill points in addition to the sub. Would purchasing skill points hurt the longevity of EVE? Do you think it would reduce the attrition of new players? everyone who plays now would quit and CCP would go belly up and the game would end and no new players would be able to start play AND it would all be your fault for suggesting it Scynner wrote: Me, I'm about to hit 4 million SP. ahhh to be young again and not train FoF missiles even to level 1 Scynner wrote: I sit there and scratch my head when I see a 22 day skill to train. If I could, I would probably pay extra to buy down that skill.What do you guys think? Short term gain or long term pain? suck it up buttercup- we all had to train up our skills now you do too- no real money for skills I'm pretty sure I speak for everybody when I say, for you we wish EXTRA long term pain by not updating your clone and getting podded back to day 1 thank you troll on
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 512	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:10:00 - [47] - Quote Silvara Nocturn wrote: The day that happens I will personally make a thread stating that "Eve is dying!". And I will /sign that threat, 5 minutes before unsubbing.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2068	Posted - 2013.03.09 07:34:00 - [48] - Quote Short answer: No. Long Answer: NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.

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