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Vicata Heth Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore 45	Posted - 2013.03.10 13:39:00 - [91] - Quote I wouldn't bother supporting Microsoft's failures by switching to Windows 8. Just wait till Windows 9, you will be much better off. Every other OS Microsoft releases lately is pretty much a beta, wait till the stable version (Windows 9) comes out. Till then I'd just use 7, it's been tried and tested, and works well.
Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated 69	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:19:00 - [92] - Quote I do have a computer from the Stone Age ... just checked the specs, Win7 won't run on my machine LOL So, an OS update will have to wait for a computer update for me ... and seeing the 700+ euros needed for a decent (not even good, mind you) gaming computer, that will be some months, maybe a year ... My skills : Kery Nysell, Jestra Nysell, Kotoko Nysell, Kotone Nysell
Zimmy Zeta Shrubbery Acquisitions 10342	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:54:00 - [93] - Quote Windows XP user reporting in. Please don't feed me.
Lupus Borealis Lupus Borealis Trading 9	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:56:00 - [94] - Quote Stan'din wrote: RaTTuS wrote: I have both xp and win7 for eve win7 is fine and you should consider it as a good upgrade Windows 7 is a fantastic OS It's best the windows version, but seriously not fantastic compared to linux.
Lupus Borealis Lupus Borealis Trading 9	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:57:00 - [95] - Quote Vicata Heth wrote: I wouldn't bother supporting Microsoft's failures by switching to Windows 8. Just wait till Windows 9, you will be much better off. Every other OS Microsoft releases lately is pretty much a beta, wait till the stable version (Windows 9) comes out. Till then I'd just use 7, it's been tried and tested, and works well. W9 will be metro too, just confirmed yesterday by MS.
Smohq Anmirorz State War Academy Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.03.10 19:39:00 - [96] - Quote Dheeradj Nurgle wrote: Win XP is not.....bad, but it's a horribly outdated Dinosaur that can't be fixed. We should just let it rest for it's (long) service. Switch to W8,or 7 if you afraid of Metro.(Critics of Metro are people who can't handle change. You don't need an effin Touch Screen for it.) "horribly outdated". From something so recent. Sad that people don't think much of this, nothing is considered durable and long-lasting any more.
yer mammy Derp Inc 65	Posted - 2013.03.10 19:50:00 - [97] - Quote this thread confirms that a good chunk of the playerbase are poor old men.
Stan'din Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys 21	Posted - 2013.03.10 20:10:00 - [98] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: I do have a computer from the Stone Age ... just checked the specs, Win7 won't run on my machine LOL So, an OS update will have to wait for a computer update for me ... and seeing the 700+ euros needed for a decent (not even good, mind you) gaming computer, that will be some months, maybe a year ... you can get something half decent for about 400 euros if you look carefully Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Big Jim Slade No Sacrifice No Victory 14	Posted - 2013.03.10 20:44:00 - [99] - Quote Smohq Anmirorz wrote: Dheeradj Nurgle wrote: Win XP is not.....bad, but it's a horribly outdated Dinosaur that can't be fixed. We should just let it rest for it's (long) service. Switch to W8,or 7 if you afraid of Metro.(Critics of Metro are people who can't handle change. You don't need an effin Touch Screen for it.) "horribly outdated". From something so recent. Sad that people don't think much of this, nothing is considered durable and long-lasting any more. Basically comparing computer technology to a old truck. You know whats also 11 years old and still viable as a modern game machine? People who don't want to upgrade to better EvEs future after 10 years are just selfish with no ability to manage their frivolous spending on imported alcohol and cigarettes.
Varesk Origin. Black Legion. 323	Posted - 2013.03.10 20:48:00 - [100] - Quote 2014 is the year that M$ will drop support for XP. so all of you on XP hardware have a year to save up and get new rigs.
Oxandrolone Bite Me inc Bitten. 150	Posted - 2013.03.10 22:14:00 - [101] - Quote For reels people still use XP, its 12 years old ffs. Living in the dark ages painting pictures on the inside of your caves guys
Lanthanusa Surfers of the Apocalypse B A C K B 0 N E 8	Posted - 2013.03.11 00:38:00 - [102] - Quote Send me $$$$ and i will buy everything you want ,hell i will dual boot in 7 and 8 !Until then i will use my old pc with XP
Galenwade Shrubbery Acquisitions 202	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:15:00 - [103] - Quote Windows 8 on my main machine Windows 7 on the other gaming computer Windows sever 2011 on the media windows XP on 1 laptop Windows vista on the other and i found my copy of windows XP home and windows 98 ...i just need to build them a home
Setaceous Nexus Prima 10	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:30:00 - [104] - Quote Galenwade wrote: Windows 8 on my main machine Windows 7 on the other gaming computer Windows sever 2011 on the media windows XP on 1 laptop Windows vista on the other and i found my copy of windows XP home and windows 98 ...i just need to build them a home I found a copy of 98SE in the office today. Still attached to the book, both still in the wrapper with the unused key attached.......
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 822	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:39:00 - [105] - Quote Why does anyone care about XP? Game companies have no business caring. If a new tech appears that doesn't work on XP but pushes the game forwards 10 years in innovation, it'll be unsupported faster than you can say "XP was first distributed on floppy disks. What's a floppy disk?" --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. ****
Mistress Motion Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:03:00 - [106] - Quote One sure reason is the same as in Directx versions. If you compare Dx8 -> Dx9 update, i don't think anyone could even dream of what kind of graphics you can make with directx9 nowadays, the difference between them is enormous. Then you start looking at the visual difference in today's dx9 and dx11 games... Well, it's really not that big in the end. Something similar in for example 16xAA settings, how many people really need that much edge smoothing when they play in 1920x1080 in some 22" screen? That's why budget gfx cards still sell pretty well, as people don't want to spend $400 for a new card which will be "old" in a year anyway. I'm talking about those hordes of "casual" players who are just happy to play their games in barely 40-50fps in medium settings (like me, though Eve runs max 200+fps on this oldish rig). So, compare XP and Win7, other than DX11, there is not really that much difference for people who watch few movies and play some not-so-new game for 1h/day. XP is rock solid and fast, and everyone read about the problem child Vista when it came. So much of the people decided not to upgrade if it's not absolutely necessary. I still use XP in my home studio rig, mostly because the old Lexicon audio interface has so horrible win7/x64 drivers, and because of the huge pile of (free) audio plugins only have 32-bit versions. And it's working flawlessly.
Galenwade Shrubbery Acquisitions 202	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:39:00 - [107] - Quote Spurty wrote: Why does anyone care about XP? Game companies have no business caring. If a new tech appears that doesn't work on XP but pushes the game forwards 10 years in innovation, it'll be unsupported faster than you can say "XP was first distributed on floppy disks. What's a floppy disk?" Game companies don't care about graphics they care about sales .
Keko Khaan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 118	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:55:00 - [108] - Quote Vicata Heth wrote: Please only reply to this thread if you use Windows XP as your primary operating system and do not have a pc with Windows Vista or later. Edit: Considering CCP would have the best access to information like this, it would be nice if they released some statistics about the operating systems the player base uses. It would help 3rd party developers figure out which technologies they can use based on the operating systems the technology supports, and how many EvE players are using operating systems that aren't supported by their preferred technology. My mom still uses windows xp and this is true story
Setaceous Nexus Prima 10	Posted - 2013.03.11 07:06:00 - [109] - Quote Spurty wrote: Why does anyone care about XP? Game companies have no business caring. If a new tech appears that doesn't work on XP but pushes the game forwards 10 years in innovation, it'll be unsupported faster than you can say "XP was first distributed on floppy disks. What's a floppy disk?" Game companies don't care about XP. They care about customers. Specifically the retention thereof. You can blame XPs failure to die in the world of the private consumers completely on the commercial consumers. If not for them, XP support should have ended in 2010.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 431	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:45:00 - [110] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: XP here only for games. Main system is Linux. I'll never upgrade to *Vista or whatever. If support for XP ends, my only choice will be Linux with ***** graphic settings in EVE Well there's your problem. Someone probably replied to this already, but I think people simply sticks to XP because they have no clue whatsoever how insanely much better Windows 7 and 8 are.
Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated 69	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:52:00 - [111] - Quote Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough My skills : Kery Nysell, Jestra Nysell, Kotoko Nysell, Kotone Nysell
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8077	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:59:00 - [112] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough Your eye may not be able to but I can very easily distinguish between 30 and 60. PS the 24 fps thing is a myth. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 431	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:06:00 - [113] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough Ouch, someone needs to check their facts. Myth based on the fact that standard TV frame rate doesn't seem to stutter. But this is because of motion blur. Try capping the frame rate in CS 1.6 to 25 FPS. You will have a bad time playing I can tell you. Even at 50 FPS you can still see the stutter. (At least I can)
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1198	Posted - 2013.03.11 13:15:00 - [114] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: XP SP3 on my main machine. Unfortunately my laptop is incapable of running XP and therefore is an unstable pile of crap on 7. Weird, what'd you do that broke it?
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1203	Posted - 2013.03.11 14:22:00 - [115] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough Ouch, someone needs to check their facts. Myth based on the fact that standard TV frame rate doesn't seem to stutter. But this is because of motion blur. Try capping the frame rate in CS 1.6 to 25 FPS. You will have a bad time playing I can tell you. Even at 50 FPS you can still see the stutter. (At least I can) Fun fact, TVs frame rate is based off, historically, a multiple of the mains electrical frequency. This is to prevent flickers from the studio lighting. They have less blur than most movies (excluding ones in HFR, like the Hobbit), but people have been 'trained' to think they look worse. For /most/ people, 60fps is about the max you can, realistically, get on a computer. That's because most LCD monitors refresh at 60 hertz (60 times a second). Before someone brings it up, yes, some monitors refresh faster. But they're more expensive than the bog standard ones you get. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Denidil Turalyon Plus 569	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:59:00 - [116] - Quote only morons still use XP. W7 is the best edition of windows pretty much ever. Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Othran Route One 456	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:11:00 - [117] - Quote Denidil wrote: only morons still use XP. W7 is the best edition of windows pretty much ever. Heh and only idiots generalise in the way you just did Windows XP support ends 8 April 2014. I'm sure CCP are well aware of that date and will be looking to change the minimum OS requirements for Eve soon after. Edit - oh and in case you're wondering XP's share of desktops (worldwide) is 39%. Windows 7 is still only 44%.
Ager Agemo Imperial Collective 236	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:44:00 - [118] - Quote Emiko P'eng wrote: I still use XP both at home & work. I do have a Windows 7 PC which according to the 'Windows experience' thing it is supposedly 7.4 But UAC drove me mad after 10 minutes, plus none of the programmes I use at work run in any compatibility mode or otherwise. Even Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit 5.6 was a pile of crock at trying to sort out the compatibility problems. So it booted in 30 seconds due to a SSD. But Playing with 2 EVE accounts was no different apart from the infuriating UAC So currently the Windows 7 PC is stuffed in the back room awaiting disposal! And I am back on my AMD64 4600+ with XP you do know you can type UAC in the start menu and deactivate it right? Compatibility wise, whatever anyone says here its bullshit, there is yet not a single piece of software I cannot run on win 7, even OLD DOS stuff runs fine with DOSBOX
Ager Agemo Imperial Collective 236	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:59:00 - [119] - Quote Kery Nysell wrote: Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough Ahem... bullshit http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm Given a human eye has several cones and this are not synchronized the real eye FPS as a whole its very easily above 100 fps. Personally I can very easily distinguish between 60fps and 120 fps. Also Plasma TVs in a sense run at 600fps, and given their larger size that means they do require a larger fps. on one more note, I want to see what your pc running at max graphics at 1080p in jita or alike, and I bet it runs very "smooth" in the CQ... (not like many people run that crap anyway tho)
Denidil Turalyon Plus 569	Posted - 2013.03.11 20:08:00 - [120] - Quote Ager Agemo wrote: Kery Nysell wrote: Read a lot about framerates in the high 60's or even above 200 in this thread ... You know what's funny ? The human eye cannot see more than 24 frames per second ... everything above that is basically wasted, computing power used for no actual difference, because your brain simpy cannot process so much images in a single second ... That's why my "old' GeForce 210 on my old computer with it's framerate of (on average) 25 is largely good enough Ahem... bullshit http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm Given a human eye has several cones and this are not synchronized the real eye FPS as a whole its very easily above 100 fps. Personally I can very easily distinguish between 60fps and 120 fps. Also Plasma TVs in a sense run at 600fps, and given their larger size that means they do require a larger fps. on one more note, I want to see what your pc running at max graphics at 1080p in jita or alike, and I bet it runs very "smooth" in the CQ... (not like many people run that crap anyway tho) the old "how many frames can you see" argument. truth is.. both parties are right most people cannot see directly above about 50-70hz depending on the person, but with computer games you can still perceive the difference because the physics engine has the properties of a Riemann sum where N=FPS and the human eye can detect arc errors as minor as 1 arcsecond. So can we stop the pissing context between the two camps with: You're both right and both wrong. Now shaddap :P Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

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