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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:21:00 -
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I am out of the loop and I can't be bothered to dig through a years worth of nerfs and updates. I can train all 4 carriers and when I left the Archon was the way to go. These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
So which, if any, are the go to ships of the era?
The reason I ask is because I'll probably just AFK my way to Lv 5 like I did with JJC 5. Thx.
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Alara IonStorm
4465
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:44:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
Fighter Dmg bonuses don't translate to Drones.
Can't answer your other question, I don't fly Carriers. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:57:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
Fighter Dmg bonuses don't translate to Drones. Can't answer your other question, I don't fly Carriers.
Go figure.
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Goldiiee
Superior Ratio
High Sec Dropouts
253
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:59:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
Fighter Dmg bonuses don't translate to Drones. Can't answer your other question, I don't fly Carriers.
10 Sentries (standard for a carrier) for a good carrier pilot and that can be increased to 15 if you really want to, and they are more effective than waiting on flight time for fighters.
And Sentries are affected by drone upgrades.
look your smarter already. :)
Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
926
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:05:00 -
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As am I.
So.......... Archon or Thanatos? Or irrelevant?
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Alara IonStorm
4465
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:14:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
Fighter Dmg bonuses don't translate to Drones. Can't answer your other question, I don't fly Carriers. 10 Sentries (standard for a carrier) for a good carrier pilot and that can be increased to 15 if you really want to, and they are more effective than waiting on flight time for fighters. And Sentries are affected by drone upgrades. look your smarter already. :)
Well duh, but what does all that have to do with the Thanatos's Fighter dmg bonus not effecting Sentries which was all I was speaking too? |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:18:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:These days however I am sensing (maybe) that the Thanatos is back in high standings again do to it's DPS and things like roaming Sentry drone spewing carrier blobs.
Fighter Dmg bonuses don't translate to Drones. Can't answer your other question, I don't fly Carriers. 10 Sentries (standard for a carrier) for a good carrier pilot and that can be increased to 15 if you really want to, and they are more effective than waiting on flight time for fighters. And Sentries are affected by drone upgrades. look your smarter already. :)
While Alara does have a preternatural ability for being wrong, what you just said had absolutely nothing to do with what she said. |
Alara IonStorm
4465
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:20:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:
While Alara does have a preternatural ability for being wrong,
Thanks for the vote of confidence... |
Angelique Duchemin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:33:00 -
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The Archon is the ship of choice if you plan to fly a Triage Carrier due to the massive armour resistance bonus.
If not then I'd go with the Thanatos. It's a fantastic Carrier that earned it's reputation.
Yes the Fighter bonus does not effect drone damage and the drone mods do not effect the fighters but you're not a one man army, piloting a Capital sized drone-boat.
What it is, is a logistic vessel first and foremost and the ship exists to support the rest of the fleet through its immense remote repair capabilities.
The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but with worse odds and the Germans as the attackers. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
688
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:37:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Archon is the ship of choice if you plan to fly a Triage Carrier due to the massive armour resistance bonus.
If not then I'd go with the Thanatos. It's a fantastic Carrier that earned it's reputation.
Yes the Fighter bonus does not effect drone damage and the drone mods do not effect the fighters but you're not a one man army, piloting a Capital sized drone-boat.
What it is, is a logistic vessel first and foremost and the ship exists to support the rest of the fleet through its immense remote repair capabilities.
Right. So get an Archon.
:D |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:42:00 -
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Has the Nidhogger come into style for anything? I was half thinking about going Capital by the end of the year and if I did ascetically it's my favorite of the Carriers. I know it was dumped on a lot before the Carrier tweak, I haven't heard much about it since.
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Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
125
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Has the Nidhogger come into style for anything? I was half thinking about going Capital by the end of the year and if I did ascetically it's my favorite of the Carriers. I know it was dumped on a lot before the Carrier tweak, I haven't heard much about it since.
It's still the Black Sheep of the carrier line up, though Fozzie did say that CCP realized it was in bad shape, so who knows in a few years it might be brought in line with the others. Or the others could be nerfed down to it's level Battle cruiser re-blance style.
But I do agree it's my favorite looking carrier as well. |
Monique Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.09 03:13:00 -
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Nid makes a nice POS repair ***** :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4248
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Posted - 2013.03.09 07:00:00 -
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Archon is probably the preferred carrier since it's optimal for boot fleets due to its bonuses to armor resists and the extra low slot it has over the Thanatos, and for armor triage because its second range bonus is to energy rather than shield and again because of the extra low slot. The Archon does lose a mid slot compared to the Thanatos but a cap power relay is better than a cap recharger and the extra low slots again help with active tank if a carrier in triage becomes primaried.
But of course, nothing beats the Nidhoggur for structure repping or mixed capfleet triage. It's not really useful for much other than that though...
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
42
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Posted - 2013.03.09 07:33:00 -
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I'm pleased with my Archon. |
Haulie Berry
238
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Posted - 2013.03.09 08:38:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:
While Alara does have a preternatural ability for being wrong,
Thanks for the vote of confidence...
You're welcome, dollface. |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
154
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Posted - 2013.03.09 09:06:00 -
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why worry about it, cross training carriers is going to get easier. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2176
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Posted - 2013.03.09 09:48:00 -
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They should fix the typo in Thanatos stats, it should be 5% to drone damage per level :)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4254
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Posted - 2013.03.09 12:47:00 -
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Roime wrote:They should fix the typo in Thanatos stats, it should be 5% to drone damage per level :)
The Thanny would be ridiculously powerful if they actually did change that stat.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2184
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Posted - 2013.03.09 13:19:00 -
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Yeah, it probably would, hence the smiley.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
138
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Posted - 2013.03.09 14:21:00 -
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Get an Archon. It is better for the current flavor of carrier PVP and it does the logistics piece just as well as any other carrier. |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club
Transmission Lost
212
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:01:00 -
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The archon is miles better than other carriers, because other carriers fail in some way in their role.
Chimera - STILL not enough cpu to fit modules without spending lots of money on meta 2 capital modules and faction modules.
Nidhog - Weak tank, can't use the same type of tank its RRing. No Armor tank Nid with Armor RR or Shield tank with Shield RR - fail.
Thanatos - A damage bonus on a carrier is same as a drone damage bonus on a logistic ship, its a weak bonus.
Archon - can fit for its role very well, high cap buffer, armor resist and cap bonus makes it the to go carrier for many things. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
69
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Posted - 2013.03.09 20:45:00 -
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Sp the thanatos's only drawback is it's bonus correct? |
Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.03.11 10:00:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2574003#post2574003
Kindof covers my take and the general consensus. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
47
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Posted - 2013.03.11 11:54:00 -
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Depends on the entity you are in. I have not been keeping a keen eye on carriers of late but I think for slowcats Chimera is considered one of the best options. It's shield based so can get pretty good resists while still have enough room in lows for drone damage mods and in remote repping shield transfers kick in at the start of the cyckle while armor reps tick at the end making your carrier harder to "alpha". Not that carriers would be in danger of being alphad any time soon unless someone brings two full fleets of alpha malestroms or such, which would not be that bright idea against slowcats as these can alpha BS's faster than BS's can alpha them down to the level where the alpha is no longer enough to break a carrier in one blast.
Overall tho as general prupose carriers Chimeras are still not as popular as Archons I think, but not entirely sure.
Best would be ofc being able to fly them both and have them both :)
Thantanos is more of a pve carrier and Nidd is .. not-so-popluar.
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GOT the bastard. |
Heather en Gravonere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:55:00 -
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I have a question about the Thanatos: Does the fighter bonus apply to assigned fighters? Im curios because most say no but this guide tells it does. |
Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Unclaimed.
216
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Posted - 2013.04.08 20:13:00 -
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Depending on your purpose, the preference order is usually:
Archon/Chimera > Nidhoggur > Thanatos
You should ask your corporation/alliance which carrier they prefer members to train for. It will almost always be the Archon, unless you are in the N3 coalition, which uses Chimeras instead.
The Thanatos has two drawbacks. (1) It has a weak local tank, and so is not as suitable for capital fleets. (2) Its bonus to fighter damage has been obsoleted by drone damage augmentors, which allow any carrier to out-dps a fighter Thanatos using sentries. The Thanatos's fighter damage bonus is only relevant if you are assigning fighters to alts or fleet members from the edge of the POS shield. |
Heather en Gravonere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.14 07:40:00 -
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I take this as a yes.
I think i will go for the thanatos, because it can rep pos and i get a bonus when i assign fighters in pve for my main, i dont think i will rat in the carrier itself. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7439
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Posted - 2013.04.14 08:39:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:can be increased to 15 if you really want to
This is a dumb idea that is only good for getting you killed
mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
441
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:09:00 -
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Heather en Gravonere wrote:I have a question about the Thanatos: Does the fighter bonus apply to assigned fighters? Im curios because most say no but this guide tells it does.
As I recall from flying one it didn't. Has something changed in the past 5 years?
We miss you Saede. |
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