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Window Resizing

Whenever I dock in ship spinning mode, this occurs. I want my station services window to look like this, but every time I undock and redock it switches back to the first picture.

Thanks, we are having a look. Does this happen every time for you or only under certain circumstances? Some people are experiencing this, but not everyone it seems. I've had no luck trying to reproduce this myself yet.

It just happens every time I undock and redock in ship-spinning mode, but never in CQ mode.

Can I have some commentary on the two visual design issues too? I really think just a little tweaking in these areas would make everyone a lot happier.

I-¦ll forward the visual design issues but they are unlikely to be dealt with for October 18th, given the short amount of time and the scope of the change there.

We have one serious bug and two very major visual issues.

CQ Positioning

:good points:

I very strongly suggest repositioning the balcony to a more realistic location. I strongly recommend, at least in terms of the Gallente hangar, moving the CQ balcony onto this crucifix-shaped structure that sits just above the main docking ring.

Perspective Issues

CCP, I've really got to stress in no uncertain terms that the way you bring ships closer to the Captain's Quarters balcony LOOKS WRONG and now that we have ship-spinning back, the wrongness has become even more apparent.

:MOAR good stuff:

My honest suggestion would be to move ships viewed from the CQ balcony back to their native position on top of the hangar landing pad and stop the spinning motion, instead using the same gentle rocking motion ships do when in the ship-spinning hangar. We've got ship-spinning back - we don't need these ships to spin anymore.

I like it, exactly like the old view..
I never understood though, why you can't go below 0-¦ with the tilt? I wanna see the belly of my ship too.. and whats on the ceiling of the station :D

There's a method for being able to see the station ceiling, at least. Click and hold the left mouse button to orbit your camera "up" as far as it will go, until you're looking straight down at the dorsal surface (top) of your ship. Then click and hold the right mouse button to rotate the facing of your camera until you can see the ceiling.

The right mouse button's use in camera control is a surprisingly well-kept secret in EVE Online. No tutorial talks about it and there's very little discussion of its uses on the forums.

Here's another trick for you to try: click and hold the left mouse button and then click and hold the right one, and you'll move your camera closer or further away from your ship (or camera target, if you're in space and looking at something else). But if you click and hold the right mouse button first, and then click and hold the left mouse button, you'll zoom your camera in and out while staying in the same relative position to the ship. This can be useful if you want to see the fancy new guns up close on large ships.

Hope that helps!

We have one serious bug and two very major visual issues.

Window Resizing

This is the most urgent bug.

Whenever I dock in ship spinning mode, this occurs. I want my station services window to look like this, but every time I undock and redock it switches back to the first picture.

Please fix this super-fast. It's going to get really annoying to players if they get their beloved ship spinning back but are forced to put up with this.

CQ Positioning

You've got issues with where you put the CQ balcony relative to the ship and the rest of the hangar. This is most egregious in Amarr and Gallente stations but there are minor issues with in Minmatar and Caldari stations as well. Now that we have ship-spinning back, people are going to be able to very clearly see how much you cheated with the positioning of the CQ balcony.

This is a shot from the CQ balcony in a Gallente station (back when we had the Gallente CQ interiors).

This is a shot from the opposite side of the docking ring in ship spinning mode.

I very strongly suggest repositioning the balcony to a more realistic location. I strongly recommend, at least in terms of the Gallente hangar, moving the CQ balcony onto this crucifix-shaped structure that sits just above the main docking ring.

Perspective Issues

CCP, I've really got to stress in no uncertain terms that the way you bring ships closer to the Captain's Quarters balcony LOOKS WRONG and now that we have ship-spinning back, the wrongness has become even more apparent.

This is what a Rokh looks like in a Caldari hangar when viewed from the CQ balcony.

This is what a Rokh looks like in a Caldari hangar when viewed from an orbiting camera drone.

My honest suggestion would be to move ships viewed from the CQ balcony back to their native position on top of the hangar landing pad and stop the spinning motion, instead using the same gentle rocking motion ships do when in the ship-spinning hangar. We've got ship-spinning back - we don't need these ships to spin anymore.

Can we get the button to go to ship hanger placed back on the Neocom? I find it visually intrusive being overlaid over the 3d scene, especially when in the CQ.

Gallente comparison
The Gallente station environment was one of my favorites, but now it looks all pixels and stuff. Though not really all of it...just the lights, or well some of them...it seems that there's interference being picked up by the camera drones...or something...

Gallente comparison
The Gallente station environment was one of my favorites, but now it looks all pixels and stuff. Though not really all of it...just the lights, or well some of them...it seems that there's interference being picked up by the camera drones...or something...

Amarr comparison
The Amarr station used to have people that knew how to fly, now they just crash through walls and self destruct...not that I don't like seeing those Amarr bastards go boom and stuff, it's just...I really used to like the station cause it seemed more alive, with NPC's flying and buzzing around...now they uhh...yeah...crash and spawn and stuff...

Caldari comparison
This only kind of annoys me, I mean, I know we're in space and it is the future...but it seems as though there should be some sort of supporting structure for that...whatever it is...thing...

Minmatarr Comparison
This one confuses me, whycome Minmatar have bright station when they have the crappiest lighting? I liked the grim dark classic Minmatar station, it rang true to their character and culture.

OK, so I'm very happy to have this back, but from a nit-picky, art critique, wtf, standpoint...I have to wonder what happened between the days of yore and now? I've been able to find something that just irks me in each station, though the Caldari and Minmatar are the best. Mind you those are the only things, save for maybe the heavily polluted hangers, is this part of the forced environment within the station? Or did we switch our thrusters over to diesel? I suppose I can over look that, but still....

Edit: I noticed that there's no ambient noise in the hanger, please fix this.

We have one serious bug and two very major visual issues.

Window Resizing

This is the most urgent bug.

Whenever I dock in ship spinning mode, this occurs. I want my station services window to look like this, but every time I undock and redock it switches back to the first picture.

Please fix this super-fast. It's going to get really annoying to players if they get their beloved ship spinning back but are forced to put up with this.

CQ Positioning

You've got issues with where you put the CQ balcony relative to the ship and the rest of the hangar. This is most egregious in Amarr and Gallente stations but there are minor issues with in Minmatar and Caldari stations as well. Now that we have ship-spinning back, people are going to be able to very clearly see how much you cheated with the positioning of the CQ balcony.

This is a shot from the CQ balcony in a Gallente station (back when we had the Gallente CQ interiors).

This is a shot from the opposite side of the docking ring in ship spinning mode.

I very strongly suggest repositioning the balcony to a more realistic location. I strongly recommend, at least in terms of the Gallente hangar, moving the CQ balcony onto this crucifix-shaped structure that sits just above the main docking ring.

Perspective Issues

CCP, I've really got to stress in no uncertain terms that the way you bring ships closer to the Captain's Quarters balcony LOOKS WRONG and now that we have ship-spinning back, the wrongness has become even more apparent.

This is what a Rokh looks like in a Caldari hangar when ...

I personally think the Fog should match the race's station in a similar or the same way as before CQ was introduced.

For example in the gallente station the fog is very white in the current build.

The UI design for this is being iterated upon. The button in the Neocom has downsides (f.e. it is confusing unless you know what it does), just like the current one has (as in it is not very visible).

The UI design for this is being iterated upon. The button in the Neocom has downsides (f.e. it is confusing unless you know what it does), just like the current one has (as in it is not very visible).

Yeah, I think by "ship scaling" people were more complaining about the fact that in CQ view, your ship ends up being next to your balcony instead of being distant and on the docking ring. I could be wrong, but that's pretty much what I meant. I think it would be better if the ships were located at the docking ring rather than being so close to your CQ.

The current one doesn't feel like it's properly integrated into the interface, as if someone didn't know where to put it and just slapped glue on a random spot and said "this'll do" before moving on to the next task.

The neocom button being "confusing" is a rather minor downside that only lasts until you try clicking on it once. Once you've clicked on it and found out what it does, it's hard to be confused anymore. It seemed pretty self-evident to me the first time I saw it, even before the tool-tip appeared, given the different color on top of the arrows clearly pointing in the opposite direction. It fit in, was intuitively placed and designed, and was a good counterpart to the spinning ship hologram menu's "Enter Ship Hangar" option. The only thing the neocom button version was missing was an equivalent button on the neocom (same cyan color, just pointing right like the undock button, for example) while the CQ was active in case someone didn't want to walk to their couch or the balcony to swap to the hangar.

Also, I don't know if anyone else has noticed or pointed it out, but "Captain's Quarter" feels/looks awkward, even if it is technically correct grammar. "Captain's Quarters" seems a lot better, imo.