I cannot believe the amount of AFK cloaking threads.

It amazes me that people constantly repost this, never check common ideas, or understand "one sided fixes."

Can we have a specific "Ideas for Cloaking" sticky thread and just flat out delete anything else that is posted about this recycled topic?

Its constantly reported as part of an organised campaign by the null bears in the hope that if they moan long enough and often enough then someone at CCP might adopt their suggestion.

Thats why I always post to say that afk cloaking is fine. The bears want all of the rewards of null sec without any of the risks. If they thought about it for a minute though they would realise that an afk player has never harmed anyone.

idk, I might be fun to AFK cloak for a couple weeks whoever starts a new thread.

The threads are started by RMT/botters, they are the only group affected by neutrals in local.

It's a well planned and meticulously executed astroturfing campaing to protect their illegal income and to make cloaking look bad. They commonly present themselves as "just another Joe from a small null alliance", use the same sentences with just minor modifications.

It doesn't matter how people react to their message, astroturfing works on the principle of exposure- if you post 100 threads on the forums about AFK cloaking, people start to think that it really is a problem.

Which it is not.

Problem is not AFK cloakers themselves but total safety they have while they are undocked and afk. Botters/RMT have nothing to do with it. There are no means to counter cloaked ships in space atm and this is a problem.

Problem is not AFK cloakers themselves but total safety they have while they are undocked and afk. Botters/RMT have nothing to do with it. There are no means to counter cloaked ships in space atm and this is a problem.

Problem is not AFK cloakers themselves but total safety they have while they are undocked and afk. Botters/RMT have nothing to do with it. There are no means to counter cloaked ships in space atm and this is a problem.

There were lots of suggestions on this topic and i tend to agree that sticky thread would help. But then again some people might misinterpret it as "CCP looks into this problem and it'll be fixed SOONGäó"

It has, cause they bots are scripted to warp in safe/dock as soon as a neutral enter the local. This is why the simple presence of a neutral (no matter if a real threat or only and afk guy in vigil) is enough to disrupt their business. This is what they mean when they say "a single AFK cloacked shut down a whole system", is referred to botting, the only situation where such statement makes sense.

There's nothing to counter.

And their posts on the forum as Roime noted, are fake, they always have the same structure, 99% of these post are from alt that never posted anything or anyway not recognizable as active memeber of the forum community. Theu just registered to post about AFK cloacking.

And the post is generally always the same. Doesn't matter what people reply to them, there's no interest to discuss. Everyone tell them they're wrong, they ignore and repost the same after 2 days with a different alt.

Well bots cant fight back anyways, also i dont care if they cant do their business because of neutral in local. But i as active player want a system to scan/chase out cloaky pilot in space when/if hes AFK (if hes not afk - he can easily avoid being scanned down). Atm there is no way for 'bear to force that cloaky to pvp or leave system which leads to only solution - warp to pos or dock up.

Well bots cant fight back anyways, also i dont care if they cant do their business because of neutral in local. But i as active player want a system to scan/chase out cloaky pilot in space when/if hes AFK (if hes not afk - he can easily avoid being scanned down). Atm there is no way for 'bear to force that cloaky to pvp or leave system which leads to only solution - warp to pos or dock up.

I see several solutions to this:
1. Stealth scanning probes (will affect WH dwellers).
2. Add cycle time for cloaking modules (5-10min, no auto repeat).
3. Add system-wide stealth disruption upgrade/pos module (like cyno jammer).

Nope the problem With afk cloak ( you don't really know if he is afk cloak or not ..
Is he can Afraid ( miners mostly) a lot of people just by the fact of being listed in Local .

Well bots cant fight back anyways, also i dont care if they cant do their business because of neutral in local. But i as active player want a system to scan/chase out cloaky pilot in space when/if hes AFK (if hes not afk - he can easily avoid being scanned down). Atm there is no way for 'bear to force that cloaky to pvp or leave system which leads to only solution - warp to pos or dock up.

I see several solutions to this:
1. Stealth scanning probes (will affect WH dwellers).
2. Add cycle time for cloaking modules (5-10min, no auto repeat).
3. Add system-wide stealth disruption upgrade/pos module (like cyno jammer).

the reason behind that though is cause local is utterly broken, and until CCP fixes local then cloaking will forever remain...well...Broken.

However, in the interest of balance, we must then also diminish the useful aspect of Local Chat by an equal amount.
After all, by your interest in countering the counter to a game aspect, you must reduce the function it is countering for game play.

No need to touch the local. Just apply the same ideas also to people docked or behind a POS shield:

1. New special probe type able to check if someone is AFK in station or in a POS and eventually eject/undock them automatically (this probes would require Astronometric V and hacking V, so it's balanced) .

2. Adding a cycle time for docking. So if someone do not click a specific station button (5-10 minutes, no autorepeat) will be immediatly undocked and can't dock again for 10 minutes.

3. a portable system-wide dock jamming that fitted on proper ships jam all the docking system on any station and eventually turn off any POS shield (as alternative we could add a button to the POS shield, so player have to click on it every 5-10 minutes to keep the shield up).

Problem is not AFK cloakers themselves but total safety they have while they are undocked and afk. Botters/RMT have nothing to do with it. There are no means to counter cloaked ships in space atm and this is a problem.

There were lots of suggestions on this topic and i tend to agree that sticky thread would help. But then again some people might misinterpret it as "CCP looks into this problem and it'll be fixed SOONGäó"

wow so they are as safe as being... docked you know? and as dangerous as someone that is... docked? so... ? I don't get it, whats the problem? they cannot harm you, why should you be able to harm them? XD

I would be delighted to consider your interest in Counter-Counter-Local activities.

However, in the interest of balance, we must then also diminish the useful aspect of Local Chat by an equal amount.

After all, by your interest in countering the counter to a game aspect, you must reduce the function it is countering for game play.

They make local's intel a misleading source of information, as they report a presence in system unresolved.

How dare they corrupt our divine intel from the heavens....

Its constantly reported as part of an organised campaign by the null bears in the hope that if they moan long enough and often enough then someone at CCP might adopt their suggestion.

Thats why I always post to say that afk cloaking is fine. The bears want all of the rewards of null sec without any of the risks. If they thought about it for a minute though they would realise that an afk player has never harmed anyone.