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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:21:00 -
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It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.
Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator. And I saw bots. All bots. They were unresponsive when you talked to them, they don't respond when you bump them. They just mine, warp, unload, repeat. They are not really people, just kill mails waiting to happen.
Then there are the carebears. They graze on ice all day, confident that their isk will protect them. They mock the CODE and openly show their defiance of it. They make bat-phone calls to their "pvp-friends", and epic high-sec defense fleets start to form. They come with scorpions, they come with machariels, they ship in griffins and basilisks en-masse, and style themselves as the brave rebel front against the new-order.
When I shipped into my catalyst, and began my baptism of fire, I finally understood why the rebels never stood a chance. The New Order flies in tight formation, its doctrines perfect, its maneuvers synchronized. We have scouts, probes, warp-ins, bookmarks, and every trick in the book. All executed to perfection to deliver 6 seconds of wrath.
I killed 3 people so far. One of whom never logged on again. Maybe EVE wasn't the game for him.
I track down all my ganks and do my best to rehabilitate them.
The new order is the most remarkable and social high-sec ganking operation one can find in EVE. Volunteers from every major coalition have gathered and put aside their differences to exterminate the carebear. The carebear playstyle is a damnable crime worthy of violent in-game death. But unlike the carebear, we do not petition GMs to nerf certain playstyles. We make use of the game mechanics given to us. We enforce our rules and our beliefs with anti-matter.
Game-balance wise, the situation is hilarious. A high-sec suicide ganker has a combat life of 6 seconds in 0.7 space. If suicide ganking is nerfed any further, we would have to resort to alpha-striking the miners. Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts. Instead it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up. Which in my opinion, does wonders to strengthen the suicide ganking community.
High-Sec is dangerous. If not through war-decs, then through the suicide ganker. The casual player must find his niche in this - the game will not change for him. No-one is entitled to an intact ship in EVE. If new players come in with false expectations, they must be educated to know otherwise, or be blown up.
The New-Order is a trans-alliance effort to provide both the educating and the blowing up. For players who prefer a more gentle approach of getting acquainted with the game... I still recommend EVE-Uni! 
- If you hate this article, please tip by adding to my bounty. Thanks. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
23
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:24:00 -
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Ganking isn't fair. Mining ships and industrial caps don't shoot back. That's the number one protest I always hear from carebears, and carebear defenders.
more to say I have... holding this post. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |

Cannibal Kane
The African Terrorist
1536
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Posted - 2013.03.12 06:02:00 -
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I will admit even I do it. But I just pop afk PODS on gates and the occasional miner.
However as with everything else the only reason I hate the entire minerbumping thing and James and i have said it a lot before. Is they sugar coat what they do.
Don't do that, your not helping anybody your just extorting isk and killing ships who in reality has no hope of defending themselves. I scoff at people saying tank your ship we all know that is bull, no tanked indy ship will survive a gank if they really want to kill you.
And I am done.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
24
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Posted - 2013.03.12 06:12:00 -
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The stuff about permits and righteous causes is just role-play. It's all a game after all. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
25
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Posted - 2013.03.12 07:48:00 -
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I just led my first gank.
The pilot was unable to purchase a new retriever.
If he had repented and gave a gf and embraced the violence that is part of eve, we'd have bought him one. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
218
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Posted - 2013.03.12 08:51:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts.
It can in 0.5, I do it all the time. Takes a few days of training gunnery skills, but I can pop a Mackinaw solo provided he doesn't have much of a tank. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
26
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Posted - 2013.03.12 08:54:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Suicide ganking can no-longer be done in solo catalysts. It can in 0.5, I do it all the time. Takes a few days of training gunnery skills, but I can pop a Mackinaw solo provided he doesn't have much of a tank.
Easy kills will be easy kills... The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread The E-Uni vs U-Mad Text-wall war: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207043 |

Rob Lorence
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:19:00 -
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Quote:it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up
I lol'd at that
Some ppl just like to act "cruel" in a computer game because they need to make up for what/who they are in real life or something..
While i enjoy pvp i never saw any fun in ganking those that can't defend themselves.. not gate camping indies in lowsec and especially not suicide ganking indies in high sec.
If you guys are so well organized and fly so well together, try doing some lowsec pvp roams.. Its more of a challenge than warping to belt ->approach barge -> press f1+f2 for guns and warp scram. |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
27
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:24:00 -
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Rob Lorence wrote:Quote:it is now a highly sophisticated team game that requires good organization to set up I lol'd at that Some ppl just like to act "cruel" in a computer game because they need to make up for what/who they are in real life or something.. While i enjoy pvp i never saw any fun in ganking those that can't defend themselves.. not gate camping indies in lowsec and especially not suicide ganking indies in high sec. If you guys are so well organized and fly so well together, try doing some lowsec pvp roams.. Its more of a challenge than warping to belt ->approach barge -> press f1+f2 for guns and warp scram.
You're quite mistaken. Most knights of the new order have neg ten sec status. Everything tries to kill them if they stay in place for more than a few seconds.
That, and they prey gets spooked sometimes. And they also like to tank their ships with blinged out modules.
The new order are professionals, they do not use throw away alts to rep their sec status. Everyone can shoot them. And everyone is welcome to try. And if what we do wakes carebears from the monotony of their existence, I say its a job well done. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

Ra Jackson
BLOOM. Verge of Collapse
154
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:49:00 -
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Flying throwaway Catalysts seems to be the new endgame in hisec. |

Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:27:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: And I saw bots. All bots.
So you thought "I know, I'll report them".
Amyclas Amatin wrote:They were unresponsive when you talked to them, they don't respond when you bump them. They just mine, warp, unload, repeat.
And so began a slow and considered approach to identifying the patterns of systematic behaviour.
Amyclas Amatin wrote:They are not really people, just kill mails waiting to happen.
...oh, I see, you wanted to keep them in the game instead. I donGÇÖt think I can give you any marks here.
Amyclas Amatin wrote:One of whom never logged on again
Whilst it seems more likely they just used an alt to carry on as normal your statement makes clear that you failed to achieve your goal. I'll give you a hint - you are not trying to rid Eve of players, it is silly to boast that you are. Again I canGÇÖt award any marks here.
Amyclas Amatin wrote:High-Sec is dangerous. No-one is entitled to an intact ship in EVE.
Slightly different message to the normal one, I guess one mark for daring to be different.
In fact, everybody in Eve is entitled to an intact ship, something you could have learned during your seven hours of training. ItGÇÖs such a fundamental mistake that I will have to subtract a mark.
0/10 Overall a poorly constructed effort containing obvious errors and omissions. Points made are not supported with evidence and do not stand up to basic scrutiny. Elements of the piece suggest that it was rushed and as I hinted at before research has not been carried out. An almost conscious effort has been made to contradict elements of the document the author is attempting to show support for.
An unusually disappointing effort, they usually put more into these things.
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Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
34642
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:35:00 -
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Ganking was cool till it became a Cult Bumping Blah blah Crap :| Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |

Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:02:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Ganking was cool till it became a Cult Bumping Blah blah Crap :|
10/10 |

Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
45
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:35:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:However as with everything else the only reason I hate the entire minerbumping thing and James and i have said it a lot before. Is they sugar coat what they do.
Don't do that, your not helping anybody your just extorting isk and killing ships who in reality has no hope of defending themselves. I scoff at people saying tank your ship we all know that is bull, no tanked indy ship will survive a gank if they really want to kill you.
And I am done.
Noooo. The miner is supposed to take it seriously and get ticked off, not you. -_- |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
30
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:15:00 -
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Pap Uhotih wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: stuff
So you thought "I know, I'll report them". And so began a slow and considered approach to identifying the patterns of systematic behaviour. ...oh, I see, you wanted to keep them in the game instead. I donGÇÖt think I can give you any marks here. Whilst it seems more likely they just used an alt to carry on as normal your statement makes clear that you failed to achieve your goal. I'll give you a hint - you are not trying to rid Eve of players, it is silly to boast that you are. Again I canGÇÖt award any marks here. Slightly different message to the normal one, I guess one mark for daring to be different. In fact, everybody in Eve is entitled to an intact ship, something you could have learned during your seven hours of training. ItGÇÖs such a fundamental mistake that I will have to subtract a mark. 0/10 Overall a poorly constructed effort containing obvious errors and omissions. Points made are not supported with evidence and do not stand up to basic scrutiny. Elements of the piece suggest that it was rushed and as I hinted at before research has not been carried out. An almost conscious effort has been made to contradict elements of the document the author is attempting to show support for. An unusually disappointing effort, they usually put more into these things.
This is actually what I call an undisguised piece of blatant propaganda. 
As for ganking itself:
We're not really here to measure bot activity, or even decide who is a bot and who isn't. We eradicate carebears. Hopefully some can be cured. We also humor a few who pay our ransoms mining permits.
It's that simple. Unless you want to get into the James-cult drama.. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
518
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:23:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.
Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator.
Would you be willing to name this 'permanent' gank alt....?
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
30
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:26:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. High-sec is dangerous. It is as safe as players make it. It is as dangerous as players make it to be. Concord and other NPCs are just part of the terrain.
Yesterday I created a permanent gank alt to join the New Order. With 7 hours to train up to a destroyer, I shipped to Kamio in a velator. Would you be willing to name this 'permanent' gank alt....?
Drop me an eve-mail, and 10 million for a complimentary mining permit, and I'll spoon-feed it to you. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:52:00 -
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I'm afraid the whole New Order thing is getting a bit stale now. By all means carry on, but wouldn't it be better to devise and do your own thing rather than hang off James315's coattails and convince yourself you are doing something awesome / original / worthwhile. You are not a special snowflake.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
37
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:07:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:I'm afraid the whole New Order thing is getting a bit stale now. By all means carry on, but wouldn't it be better to devise and do your own thing rather than hang off James315's coattails and convince yourself you are doing something awesome / original / worthwhile. You are not a special snowflake.
Carebear extermination has been going on for years. - From times dating to even before the Hulkageddon. What James is doing is nothing new. But his charisma and the drama he attracts is a good rallying point to meet new people and go out ganking with them. If killing carebears could get stale, then James has found fresh and more entertaining ways to kill them. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective
218
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:14:00 -
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I can appreciate what the New Order does, it is fun to be a part of a group of people with a unified goal, especially when that goal involves blowing up other people's imaginary spaceships. The main reason I haven't joined, considering my love of ganking miners, is that the whole fun of it is showing up where you are completely unexpected, murdering some poor bastard out of the blue, and then watching how he reacts. I don't particularly want to shoot Bots (****, the are my people). I'd rather shoot people who are actively playing, but have no idea they are being hunted. It is especially great when they come out and try to fight you after your criminal flag expires, I have gotten some beautiful kills this way. Most Bots wouldn't do that.
I am ok with the RP aspect. This is an RPG, after all. We are all, by definition, role playing whenever we are logged in. Some people just choose to be a bot nerdier about it than others, but that is ok with me. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Kimo Khan
67
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:27:00 -
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Pomp and circumstance at best. I went to Kamino last night in my Procurer. I clearly stated that I had no permit and that I needed to be bumped or ganked, did I get saved or ganked? NO. I was very disappointed. They promise an education and swift wrath but deliver only words. Some of them at least have some good banter, but others take it way too serious with no action.
Now someone may say, did you want to be ganked? YES! the sheer entertainment value would have been worth the loss, but no they would not do it. Heck they would not even bump me. The best I got was you should try low or null sec, which tells me they did not even check me on the killboards.
I will also say that Miner Teck guy is quite a whiner, and has way too much anger.
Now if James will promise to gank me and post a video of it afterwards I will return. |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
38
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:39:00 -
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Kimo Khan wrote:Pomp and circumstance at best. I went to Kamino last night in my Procurer. I clearly stated that I had no permit and that I needed to be bumped or ganked, did I get saved or ganked? NO. I was very disappointed. They promise an education and swift wrath but deliver only words. Some of them at least have some good banter, but others take it way too serious with no action.
Now someone may say, did you want to be ganked? YES! the sheer entertainment value would have been worth the loss, but no they would not do it. Heck they would not even bump me. The best I got was you should try low or null sec, which tells me they did not even check me on the killboards.
I will also say that Miner Teck guy is quite a whiner, and has way too much anger.
Now if James will promise to gank me and post a video of it afterwards I will return.
If you are thrill-seeking, perhaps you'd consider joining us instead? It's the most fun you'll ever have in 6 seconds. Drop me or any other agent a mail or convo in-game if you want in on the action. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

Kimo Khan
67
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:09:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Kimo Khan wrote:Pomp and circumstance at best. I went to Kamino last night in my Procurer. I clearly stated that I had no permit and that I needed to be bumped or ganked, did I get saved or ganked? NO. I was very disappointed. They promise an education and swift wrath but deliver only words. Some of them at least have some good banter, but others take it way too serious with no action.
Now someone may say, did you want to be ganked? YES! the sheer entertainment value would have been worth the loss, but no they would not do it. Heck they would not even bump me. The best I got was you should try low or null sec, which tells me they did not even check me on the killboards.
I will also say that Miner Teck guy is quite a whiner, and has way too much anger.
Now if James will promise to gank me and post a video of it afterwards I will return. If you are thrill-seeking, perhaps you'd consider joining us instead? It's the most fun you'll ever have in 6 seconds. Drop me or any other agent a mail or convo in-game if you want in on the action.
A kind offer but I will pass. Blowing up ships is fun and all, but I prefer the hunt over the gank. Not to say what you all do isn't fun, it is just not what I prefer to do. |

Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
8
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:30:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:I just led my first gank.
The pilot was unable to purchase a new retriever.
If he had repented and gave a gf and embraced the violence that is part of eve, we'd have bought him one.
Funny... gf usually mean good fight. Fighting requires a minimum of two people duking it out.
You remind me of those kids that would go down the hallway and knock some kids books out of their hands and tell the principal "If he had said good fight I would have picked up his books"
Since the miner didn't fight back I have to wonder what GF stands for. |

Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:38:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote: Since the miner didn't fight back I have to wonder what GF stands for.
I believe that it is an abbreviation of GFY. IGÇÖm not sure why they are so desperate for people to say it to them but it does seem appropriate. |

Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc.
165
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:58:00 -
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Kimo Khan wrote:Pomp and circumstance at best. I went to Kamino last night in my Procurer. I clearly stated that I had no permit and that I needed to be bumped or ganked, did I get saved or ganked? NO. I was very disappointed. They promise an education and swift wrath but deliver only words. Some of them at least have some good banter, but others take it way too serious with no action.
Here is another situation where misunderstanding the New Halaima Code of Conduct has created a complaint from an entitled carebear.
The Code clearly states that we will bump (or gank) whoever we choose. Its our system, we control it, we decide who gets to mine and who doesn't. We are under no compulsion to bump or gank a miner because he has decided we should. What the miner wants does not enter into our decisions unless he buys a permit and follows The Code. Then we have said we will not bump or gank him.
Until he meets the requirements of The Code, the New Order will decide for ourselves how far up our list he rises. The ONLY decision the miner gets to make is to buy a permit and follow The Code. If he decides not to, its up to us if he lives, dies, or shoots across the ice field backwards at 2000 m/s.
315 4 CSM8
Highsec is worth fighting for.
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable |

Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
38
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:58:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I just led my first gank.
The pilot was unable to purchase a new retriever.
If he had repented and gave a gf and embraced the violence that is part of eve, we'd have bought him one. Funny... gf usually mean good fight. Fighting requires a minimum of two people duking it out. You remind me of those kids that would go down the hallway and knock some kids books out of their hands and tell the principal "If he had said good fight I would have picked up his books" Since the miner didn't fight back I have to wonder what GF stands for.
Who said anything about letting the other guy having a chance to fight back?
This is not dueling, this is ganking. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |

Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
19
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:00:00 -
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Like what has happened to many religious movements, I'm waiting for the juicy exposes of scandalous llama abuse or whatnot in the upper ranks of James' church thing.
On a serious note, it's like an old fruit cake from 2003. It's been re-gifted many times, each time with some new, shiny wrapping paper. This time, it's got some RP elements that were cute, but, sadly, have yellowed with age over the past few months.
Any one else getting bored with these James 315 posts?  So... um... yeah! |

Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
72
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:01:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:However as with everything else the only reason I hate the entire minerbumping thing and James and i have said it a lot before. Is they sugar coat what they do.
Don't do that, your not helping anybody your just extorting isk and killing ships who in reality has no hope of defending themselves. I scoff at people saying tank your ship we all know that is bull, no tanked indy ship will survive a gank if they really want to kill you.
And I am done.
Noooo. The miner is supposed to take it seriously and get ticked off, not you. -_-
The Cannibal has a valid point, and echos how a lot of players feel about your "New Order".
I can appreciate what you do, and why you're doing it. In the grand scheme of things, it makes sense, and is emergent game play. However, your constant need to draw attention to yourselves and wrapping all of it in a ridiculous "savior of hi-sec" package is over the top. James315 himself has gone out of control with his enormous walls of text.
You're suicide gankers and extortionists, nothing more, nothing less. That's perfectly fine, but don't attempt to make it out to be more than what it is. You only come off looking like idiots. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |

Kimo Khan
67
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:09:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Kimo Khan wrote:Pomp and circumstance at best. I went to Kamino last night in my Procurer. I clearly stated that I had no permit and that I needed to be bumped or ganked, did I get saved or ganked? NO. I was very disappointed. They promise an education and swift wrath but deliver only words. Some of them at least have some good banter, but others take it way too serious with no action. Here is another situation where misunderstanding the New Halaima Code of Conduct has created a complaint from an entitled carebear. The Code clearly states that we will bump (or gank) whoever we choose. Its our system, we control it, we decide who gets to mine and who doesn't. We are under no compulsion to bump or gank a miner because he has decided we should. What the miner wants does not enter into our decisions unless he buys a permit and follows The Code. Then we have said we will not bump or gank him. Until he meets the requirements of The Code, the New Order will decide for ourselves how far up our list he rises. The ONLY decision the miner gets to make is to buy a permit and follow The Code. If he decides not to, its up to us if he lives, dies, or shoots across the ice field backwards at 2000 m/s. 315 4 CSM8 Highsec is worth fighting for. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
Bing Bangboom,
Now that is a worthy response. If someone had only had the insight to give such a response last night it would have been much better.
As it is I was forced to return to the safety of lowsec without an education.
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