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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:45:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:I just led my first gank.
The pilot was unable to purchase a new retriever.
If he had repented and gave a gf and embraced the violence that is part of eve, we'd have bought him one. Funny... gf usually mean good fight. Fighting requires a minimum of two people duking it out. You remind me of those kids that would go down the hallway and knock some kids books out of their hands and tell the principal "If he had said good fight I would have picked up his books" Since the miner didn't fight back I have to wonder what GF stands for.
More thoughts on the matter:
Actually I'd compare what we're doing to the suicide bombing of peace protesters. Every suicide ganker has to make sacrifices for the cause. Bullies tend to avoid damage or risk to themselves.
Being undocked puts the miners at risk in a pvp situation anyway. Now, if they were alert, and checked local, d-scanned every other second, and docked up whenever they saw catalysts coming out to play, then maybe they could have been saved.
The trick to suicide ganking is not the elite skills or even the dps, it's the initiative. And when all your battles are 6 seconds long, initiative is everything. - Which why AFK miners and players too used to PVE situations don't stand half a chance.
A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
218
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Posted - 2013.03.13 02:43:00 -
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The Order is just about glorified piracy right? I must have misunderstood the ads because I had heard it was some stand against botters. But I ran into them several days ago as they literally chased another player around the system. A very responsive and panicked player mind you. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
39
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Posted - 2013.03.13 03:23:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Order is just about glorified piracy right? I must have misunderstood the ads because I had heard it was some stand against botters. But I ran into them several days ago as they literally chased another player around the system. A very responsive and panicked player mind you.
Nu'adu > We genuinely care for the well being of all miners in Highsec.
It's social activism. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
220
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Posted - 2013.03.13 10:38:00 -
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Well since there are no longer any botters left in the game to kill then I suppose there's room to move to the next priority... The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Kimo Khan
69
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:18:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Actually I'd compare what we're doing to the suicide bombing of peace protesters. Every suicide ganker has to make sacrifices for the cause. Bullies tend to avoid damage or risk to themselves.
Be sure to update wiki on that idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
Additionally are you protesting peace or equating yourself to religious freedom fighters? I am not exactly sure what a peace protestor is by your definition.
If you are going to equate yourself to something, make sure you really know what that means. |
Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
22
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:43:00 -
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Peace protesters typically stand for something of merit, even noble causes.
Strip mining digital rocks in a video game isn't something I'd imagine Ghandi undertaking to make a point about society's ills... So... um... yeah! |
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.03.13 19:40:00 -
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Good OP;
Just join FW and hang out near the hub station in Hek. Hek is high sec. I see people get blown to bits there all the time and you don't have to wait 7 hours between each go. I couldn't take a play-style as dull as you descibe.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
489
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:58:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Order is just about glorified piracy right?.
Only if you failed horribly at comprehending what it's really about. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Vote 315 for CSM 8 |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
238
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:46:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Order is just about glorified piracy right?. Only if you failed horribly at comprehending what it's really about.
I'm well aware of what it claims to be but it seems that piracy is just more fun in the end than crusading against botters. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
49
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:19:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:admiral root wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Order is just about glorified piracy right?. Only if you failed horribly at comprehending what it's really about. I'm well aware of what it claims to be but it seems that piracy is just more fun in the end than crusading against botters.
We're running at a loss here, it's not quite like piracy. It really is about volunteers doing their part to send a message. We are however, subsidized by the generosity of our shareholders.
We take pre-emptive measures against bots by killing anyone who shows bot aspirant behaviour.
It is also more fun when you feed people bullshit roleplay reasons for killing them. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
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Vin King
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:21:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:admiral root wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:The Order is just about glorified piracy right?. Only if you failed horribly at comprehending what it's really about. I'm well aware of what it claims to be but it seems that piracy is just more fun in the end than crusading against botters.
We crusade against the Spirit of the Bot, that which threatens to invade the body of all non-compliant miners. Those who comply with the New Halaima Code of Conduct have nothing to fear. Those who do not subject themselves to the risk of being cleansed. Enforcing compliance is not piracy, it is mercy. 315 4 CSM 8 |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
240
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:23:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:It is also more fun when you feed people bullshit roleplay reasons for killing them.
Partial credit. But if the person can hear you then he was not a valid target to begin with.
The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Tesal
235
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:36:00 -
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The New Order war. The Great Hi-sec Battle of the Douche. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
51
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:29:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:It is also more fun when you feed people bullshit roleplay reasons for killing them. Partial credit. But if the person can hear you then he was not a valid target to begin with.
Anything without a mining permit is a valid target.
Anyone who does not comply with the CODE is also a valid target. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
Which gives us a lot of valid targets, I'll admit. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
240
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:15:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:It is also more fun when you feed people bullshit roleplay reasons for killing them. Partial credit. But if the person can hear you then he was not a valid target to begin with. Anything without a mining permit is a valid target. Anyone who does not comply with the CODE is also a valid target. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlWhich gives us a lot of valid targets, I'll admit.
Blackmail, wonderful...
Just give me the name of the system and I'll fix this mess with some proper bounties instead. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Vin King
State War Academy Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:21:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote: Blackmail, wonderful...
Just give me the name of the system and I'll fix this mess with some proper bounties instead.
All of HighSec. 315 4 CSM 8 |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
51
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:33:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:It is also more fun when you feed people bullshit roleplay reasons for killing them. Partial credit. But if the person can hear you then he was not a valid target to begin with. Anything without a mining permit is a valid target. Anyone who does not comply with the CODE is also a valid target. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlWhich gives us a lot of valid targets, I'll admit. Blackmail, wonderful... Just give me the name of the system and I'll fix this mess with some proper bounties instead.
It's not blackmail.
We're liberating carebears from a dreary existence of mining. If you had any compassion, you would do the same.
Now, many miners also have bounties on them... The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
240
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:34:00 -
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Vin King wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote: Blackmail, wonderful...
Just give me the name of the system and I'll fix this mess with some proper bounties instead.
All of HighSec.
I have no idea where any icefields are these days. I haven't mined in 3 years. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
52
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Posted - 2013.03.15 09:18:00 -
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Now entire corporations have started buying those fracking permits... this is uh... progress?
We need to help some of them make the transition to low and null sec. Should be interesting. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Domineren
Rebirth. TW0 INCH TERROR
18
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Posted - 2013.03.15 11:07:00 -
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OK I'm not sure why ppl have to post this crap on the forums. You take up valuable 1st page c&p space. So you blew up a few mining ships that had no real defense against you....Congrats you have won Eve......not. I personally don't understand the hatred for carebears seeing as they are one of, if not the, fundamental driving forces behind the market. Its basic high-school economics of supply and demand. Blow up the suppliers....demand goes through the roof as well as price. Your "need" to make ppl who want to play the game their own way play your way is foolish at best and downright ******** at worst. And no I'm not a carebear Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
405
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Posted - 2013.03.15 11:42:00 -
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New Order are a comedy sideshow, a small one.
I have never mined nor had any interaction with new order short of reading their members occasional posts about how much they are changing things... If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1236
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:10:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:New Order are a comedy sideshow, a small one.
I have never mined nor had any interaction with new order short of reading their members occasional posts about how much they are changing things...
still better than all the "I'm a newb, and these are the best ideas ever!!!11one!!1" threads in F&I.
though, I kinda wish we could see the indy guys HTFU and get a real conflict going. If for nothing more than I'm running out of EVE stuff to watch on youtube. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6375
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:23:00 -
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Domineren wrote:OK I'm not sure why ppl have to post this crap on the forums. You take up valuable 1st page c&p space. So you blew up a few mining ships that had no real defense against you....Congrats you have won Eve......not. I personally don't understand the hatred for carebears seeing as they are one of, if not the, fundamental driving forces behind the market. Its basic high-school economics of supply and demand. Blow up the suppliers....demand goes through the roof as well as price. Your "need" to make ppl who want to play the game their own way play your way is foolish at best and downright ******** at worst. And no I'm not a carebear
What makes you think that some of the New Order supporters aren't taking advantage of the increase in demand and price? Destruction and production are the fundamental driving force of the economy, you can't have one without the other.
If you want to take a cynical view, the New Order is sponsored by industrialists looking to cash in on the mayhem. It's an aggressive marketing campaign, using both industrial espionage and economic warfare to remove some competition, have some laughs and make an obscene profit in the process. Real world companies would do exactly the same if there were no laws against it, take for an example an arms manufacturer, if they could start a war to sell their wares, they would, and tbh probably do, via subterfuge and lobbying, when they can get away with it.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
54
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:37:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Domineren wrote:OK I'm not sure why ppl have to post this crap on the forums. You take up valuable 1st page c&p space. So you blew up a few mining ships that had no real defense against you....Congrats you have won Eve......not. I personally don't understand the hatred for carebears seeing as they are one of, if not the, fundamental driving forces behind the market. Its basic high-school economics of supply and demand. Blow up the suppliers....demand goes through the roof as well as price. Your "need" to make ppl who want to play the game their own way play your way is foolish at best and downright ******** at worst. And no I'm not a carebear What makes you think that some of the New Order supporters aren't taking advantage of the increase in demand and price? Destruction and production are the fundamental driving force of the economy, you can't have one without the other. If you want to take a cynical view, the New Order is sponsored by industrialists looking to cash in on the mayhem. It's an aggressive marketing campaign, using both industrial espionage and economic warfare to remove some competition, have some laughs and make an obscene profit in the process. Real world companies would do exactly the same if there were no laws against it, take for an example an arms manufacturer, if they could start a war to sell their wares, they would, and tbh probably do, via subterfuge and lobbying, when they can get away with it.
^
What he said.
Be on the winning team. You know what to do.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Capt Starfox
New Order Logistics CODE.
412
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:44:00 -
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Tried to read as many of the posts as I could... just wanted to chim in some of my thoughts.
TL;DR: NOL is great, join us.
To those of you who believe tanking your Indy is a waste of time or silly: As a solo ganker if you have a tank, I'm looking for another target... unless the numbers are only 1-2 seconds above Concord response time, then I'll give it a shot. In fleets tanked Indys are usually chosen as targets last; unless of course we have the dps/damage requirements. However, it would be more beneficial to take out 2 untanked targets sitting next to each other rather than 1 and we often split our numbers to do just that.
To those of you would still for whatever reason believe that the New Order is small, or weak, or wont last long:http://code.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16802696 ...The point isn't the kill, but rather the fleet was formed on a whim. Yes, that is an anti-tanked Orca.. shameful really.
To those of you who believe the Permit system is a scam, or extortion, or you just don't like it: At first I wasn't sure what to think about the 10 million ISK mining permit. At first I too thought it was a scam. However, we actually don't attack people who have permits and they are actually set to blue. If you are not AFK and get ganked by a member of the New Order, there is a chance your ship will be replaced. I recently replaced a 46m ISK Retriever because of a mistake I made in the mail explaining NOL policy (Not going to include KM for permit holders privacy, if you really want to know I'll have to ask him first). As far as extortion is concerned... it's 10 million ISK. You make that in what half an hour-1 hour solo mining and a lot less if group/support mining. Since attacking permit holders is not allowed and whenever someone cries "extortion" to me you're just reaching for anything in an attempt to make us look bad. Now, I could understand if it were 50 million ISK per permit, then you would have an argument.
When I created this character I had played Eve on and off for about a year and a half. The characters I started this great game off with I don't play anymore; I don't remember their names. This is my main. I eventually was on the verge of quitting, heard that Hulkageddon was active again and decided to participate. Then I realized I could actually make a profit from suicide ganking. And so the career began. When I first heard about NOL I remember thinking to myself, "great they're going to cut into my profits." I played this game mostly solo and hated it. Eventually talked to someone affiliated with the New Order and got into their channel. Had the chance to run fleets with them. Had a great time and the rest is history.
James 315 for CSM 8 |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1354
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:01:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Just give me the name of the system and I'll fix this mess with some proper bounties instead. lol I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1354
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:03:00 -
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The best part of these dumbass threads is all the high-minded idiots who come in to bump it with their proclamations of how dumb the New Order is.
Best 100 mil for entertainment I've spent in EVE so far. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
ILLADEN
Riot0us
1
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:44:00 -
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Why all the walls of text on why you gank or pew pew? You make up whole books of reasons, you call it 'cleansing' etcetera.
I'll tell you why I pew pew: because I am looking to cause some tears.
Shouldn't that be a simple enough reason?
o/ |
SaltyandSweet
Parallax Shift The Periphery
41
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:13:00 -
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The tears are delicious, also my ganks are better. Step it up brag, also nice orca. Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE! |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
77
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:31:00 -
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ILLADEN wrote:Why all the walls of text on why you gank or pew pew? You make up whole books of reasons, you call it 'cleansing' etcetera.
I'll tell you why I pew pew: because I am looking to cause some tears.
Shouldn't that be a simple enough reason?
o/
Because all out genocidal warfare is better than instant tears.
Walter Lipmann wrote:There is, after all, just one human activity left in which whole populations accomplish the union sacre. It occurs in those middle phases of a war when fear, pugnacity, and hatred have secured complete dominion of the spirit, either to crush every other instinct or to enlist it, and before weariness is felt.
We need James 315 as a rallying point. Forcing him down people's throats as their high-sec messiah accomplishes exactly what we want it to do. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
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