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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
62
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:31:00 -
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I guess you could read these as musings or a general opinion or even just fantasy.
You could even pick through my post bit by bit until you find a spelling mistake or an extra space between two words in a sentence and flame me to kingdom come.
You could even see this post as a possible threat to your way of life in New Eden, to defend only by be-littling the author etc etc.
I will say that I am not aligned with any of these entites, but take an interest in whats going on, reading between the lines, andexpect no less than 0/10.
Let me start here with the current mass of forum posts about Sov mechanics.
Please note at this point there has been little comment from CCP - Which I believe is for the following reason.
PROPAGANDA.
At the moment we have 3 (or maybe only 2?) main entities in this sorry state of affairs HBC/CFC and Solar.
So we've all heard the supposed tinfoilhattery how CFC and HBC wont fight each other because of moon goo / RMT whatever... not getting into that discussion but would be a valid reson to the current state of affairs.
Also we are getting the hint that there may be too many idlle hands in the ranks of these two entities and need to keep them busy by 'WARGAMES' without any of the two main entites losing their isk nipples.
So all well and good. We have Greed shaping the blue donut except at the moment Solar seem to have rather a large bite of that.
...and heres the point to this oversimplification of the current situation....
Imagine this scenario..
Massive fleets engaging in a pre-arranged wargames, but no caps. Why no caps? because someone wants to get the ball rolling but cant to full effect until any opposition and possible threat to cap fleets and SOV is out of the way.
So where is this story going?
Simple...
The Plan.
1. Instigate massive forum propaganda on how SOV bashing is far too much trouble and CCP needs to change - 'players against the man (CCP)'
2. Remove the only possible threat who could deploy a (non bluish) threat to our pretend wargames. (lolz at other entity dropping massive fleet just as a fight is finishing).
3. Keep control of all assets and because the population believe we are 'on their side' by getting rid of nasty sov. (remember no real CCP comment ;) )
4. Get complete control of who fights where, completely controlling the sandbox while keeping the playerbase believing they are 'free'.
4. Win eve completeley - in fact Run eve completely.
Now to many of us Eve is a game. We enjoy the fact that there is this sandbox where we can spend our free time enjoying a clean non-linear universe with no overbearing script.
So why all the propaganda. Simple -
If it were just as clear as HBC/CFC(/PL) are trying to take complete control of nullsec to get very very rich - who would you fight for?
Remember it happened once before.
A long long time ago...
In a galaxy far, far away. Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
910
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:54:00 -
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does this sound like the most likely scenario to you? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13211
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:04:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:So where is this story going?
Simple...
The Plan. 1. Trivially conclude that sov bashing indeed is far too much tedium for too little gain. 2. GǪand therefore don't do it. 3. Also, don't be stupid GÇö if someone attacks, knock their block off. 4. Explain to CCP (some 3 years ago) why there's so little fighting in spite of their attempt to shake things up. 5. Nag CCP (starting some 3 years ago) to provide a good incentive to actually fight.
GǪet voil+á, no propaganda needed, since it rather comes naturally and for completely logical causes. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1099
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:05:00 -
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When you finally forget that games are supposed to be about having fun and not just another job then it's time to join the doughnut. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1903
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yim Sei wrote:So where is this story going?
Simple...
The Plan. 1. Trivially conclude that sov bashing indeed is far too much tedium for too little gain. 2. GǪand therefore don't do it. 3. Also, don't be stupid GÇö if someone attacks, knock their block off. 4. Explain to CCP (some 3 years ago) why there's so little fighting in spite of their attempt to shake things up. 5. Nag CCP (starting some 3 years ago) to provide a good incentive to actually fight. GǪet voil+á, no propaganda needed, since it rather comes naturally and for completely logical causes. And you accuse me of tinfoil battery.
Me and my voices demand an apology and 4000 lima beans.
See and I still come off more sane that OP We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |

Alara IonStorm
4541
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:08:00 -
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I hear that people are trying to Conquer the Conquerable space, CCP should put a stop to that.
Because sandbox means that players can work together to do anything unless they are too good at it.
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Hannah Flex
laissez-faire economics
281
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:12:00 -
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I like cheese hotdogs |

Alara IonStorm
4541
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:13:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:I like cheese hotdogs Know what...
Try adding Chili.
Trust me on this. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1773
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:17:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:I guess you could read these as musings or a general opinion or even just fantasy.
You could even pick through my post bit by bit until you find a spelling mistake or an extra space between two words in a sentence and flame me to kingdom come.
You could even see this post as a possible threat to your way of life in New Eden, to defend only by be-littling the author etc etc.
I will say that I am not aligned with any of these entites, but take an interest in whats going on, reading between the lines, andexpect no less than 0/10.
Let me start here with the current mass of forum posts about Sov mechanics.
Please note at this point there has been little comment from CCP - Which I believe is for the following reason.
PROPAGANDA.
(DELETED)
I don't see you as any possible threat to much of anything, but I will belittle the author.
It took you all the above quoted text of nonsense before you even started to get to your point. This is not how a good post is written.
Badposter, Bad!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
353
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:14:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote: At the moment we have 3 (or maybe only 2?) main entities in this sorry state of affairs HBC/CFC and Solar.
Other major players in nullsec interests include the School of Applied Knowledge and the Center for Advanced Studies. Can't forget those, they seem to be important and highly involved in this whole discussion. So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
62
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:15:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I hear that people are trying to Conquer the Conquerable space, CCP should put a stop to that.
Because sandbox means that players can work together to do anything unless they are too good at it.
Top of the class, intelligent reply - thank you :).
Rest must try harder, although extra marks for Frying Doom and 'Tinfoil Battery' - I lolled :)
Your opinions are valued, please carry on - but try to stay on topic of the original post please. Its not about the poster - but what he wrote ;)
Really, its not that hard - surely?
Many thanks Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |

Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1296
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:28:00 -
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CFC and HBC won't be friendly forever. They were fighting for "good fights" but someone just retracted a promise not to take any sov.
Take it from someone who pays attention. You will shortly find yourself saying "Well that escalated quickly." I'd say, give it about a month. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

March rabbit
No Name No Pain
588
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:4. Explain to CCP (some 3 years ago) why there's so little fighting in spite of their attempt to shake things up. and here we have a problem: - Dronewar 2011-2012 - Delve 2012 (this is only wars i'm actually aware of)
There was actually lots of fights. But then - territory claimed and SOV became unplayable.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3556
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:28:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I hear that people are trying to Conquer the Conquerable space, CCP should put a stop to that.
Because sandbox means that players can work together to do anything unless they are too good at it.
Nerf all the successful players. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3556
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:29:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:CFC and HBC won't be friendly forever. They were fighting for "good fights" but someone just retracted a promise not to take any sov.
Take it from someone who pays attention. You will shortly find yourself saying "Well that escalated quickly." I'd say, give it about a month. Really. :allears:
So soon you'll read exciting tales of timers, structure shooting and blobbing? I am a nullsec zealot. |

Sentamon
750
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Arduemont wrote:CFC and HBC won't be friendly forever. They were fighting for "good fights" but someone just retracted a promise not to take any sov.
Take it from someone who pays attention. You will shortly find yourself saying "Well that escalated quickly." I'd say, give it about a month. Really. :allears: So soon you'll read exciting tales of timers, structure shooting and blobbing?
It is what defines you. Admit that you love it. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1317
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:39:00 -
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If the sov powers won't fight for our amusement what will we possibly do to entertain ourselves?
Are people truly buttmad over the fact that other people having enough friends to control vast swaths of space? I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:01:00 -
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You know, I wrote some :words:, but I think I'll leave this pertinent question:
OP, do you really believe the current sov system is not objectively terrible? |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
600
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:12:00 -
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Where is the part about the fluoride in the water? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:13:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Tippia wrote:4. Explain to CCP (some 3 years ago) why there's so little fighting in spite of their attempt to shake things up. and here we have a problem: - Dronewar 2011-2012 - Delve 2012 (this is only wars i'm actually aware of) There was actually lots of fights. But then - territory claimed and SOV became unplayable.
Delve 2012 was 2 battles and then all opposition collapsed. Dronewar? Now that is an oddity because the russian is an extraordinary creature who harbors an intense amount of hatred, especially for other russians. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
602
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:13:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:If the sov powers won't fight for our amusement what will we possibly do to entertain ourselves?
Are people truly buttmad over the fact that other people having enough friends to control vast swaths of space?
Yes, they are actually. It's High School all over again, only with less actual bullying. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
400
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:16:00 -
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OP spends a quarter of his post inviting ridicule, so that he can play the wounded party when they do.
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: ~~~PUPPET MASTER~~~ "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
400
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:21:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Hannah Flex wrote:I like cheese hotdogs Know what... Try adding Chili. Trust me on this.
First wrap that cheese dog in BACON, before frying it up and smothering it in chilli.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2274
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:27:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Hannah Flex wrote:I like cheese hotdogs Know what... Try adding Chili. Trust me on this. First wrap that cheese dog in BACON, before frying it up and smothering it in chilli.
This is now a thread about bacon
on a chili dog . |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:38:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:
This is now a thread about bacon
on a chili dog
It will have better content than the OP.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Alara IonStorm
4546
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:47:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote: It will have better content than the OP.
It has always been my dream to turn a bad thread into a Recipe Book.
Another is a thread so bad that all of Wikipedia gets posted in it, in an effort to spam it. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1923
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:36:00 -
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Wikipedia wrote:Bacon is a cured meat prepared from a pig. It is first cured using large quantities of salt, either in a brine or in a dry packing; the result is fresh bacon (also known as green bacon). Fresh bacon may then be further dried for weeks or months in cold air, or it may be boiled or smoked. Fresh and dried bacon is typically cooked before eating. Boiled bacon is ready to eat, as is some smoked bacon, but may be cooked further before eating.
Bacon is prepared from several different cuts of meat. It is usually made from side and back cuts of pork, except in the United States, where it is almost always prepared from pork belly (typically referred to as "streaky", "fatty", or "American style" outside of the US and Canada). The side cut has more meat and less fat than the belly. Bacon may be prepared from either of two distinct back cuts: fatback, which is almost pure fat, and pork loin, which is very lean. Bacon-cured pork loin is known as back bacon. Uncooked pork belly bacon strips.
Bacon may be eaten smoked, boiled, fried, baked, or grilled, or used as a minor ingredient to flavor dishes. Bacon is also used for barding and larding roasts, especially game, e.g. venison, pheasant. The word is derived from the Old High German bacho, meaning "buttock", "ham" or "side of bacon", and cognate with the Old French bacon.
In continental Europe, this part of the pig is usually not smoked like bacon is in the United States; it is used primarily in cubes (lardons) as a cooking ingredient, valued both as a source of fat and for its flavor. In Italy, this is called pancetta and is usually cooked in small cubes or served uncooked and thinly sliced as part of an antipasto.
Meat from other animals, such as beef, lamb, chicken, goat, or turkey, may also be cut, cured, or otherwise prepared to resemble bacon, and may even be referred to as "bacon". Such use is common in areas with significant Jewish and Muslim populations. The USDA defines bacon as "the cured belly of a swine carcass"; other cuts and characteristics must be separately qualified (e.g., "smoked pork loin bacon"). For safety, bacon must be treated to prevent trichinosis, caused by Trichinella, a parasitic roundworm which can be destroyed by heating, freezing, drying, or smoking.
Bacon is distinguished from salt pork and ham by differences in the brine (or dry packing). Bacon brine has added curing ingredients, most notably sodium nitrite, and occasionally sodium nitrate or potassium nitrate (saltpeter); sodium ascorbate or erythorbate are added to accelerate curing and stabilize color. Flavorings such as brown sugar or maple are used for some products. If used, sodium polyphosphates are added to improve sliceability and reduce spattering when the bacon is pan fried. Today, a brine for ham, but not bacon, includes a large amount of sugar. Historically, "ham" and "bacon" referred to different cuts of meat that were brined or packed identically, often together in the same barrel.
Curing and smoking bacon Smoke cured bacon, then cooked with hickory smoke.
Bacon is cured through either a process of injecting with or soaking in brine or using plain salt (dry curing).[citation needed]
In America, bacon is usually cured and smoked, and different flavors can be achieved by using various types of wood, or rarely corn cobs; peat is sometimes used in the UK. This process can take up to eighteen hours, depending on the intensity of the flavor desired. The Virginia House-Wife (1824), thought to be one of the earliest American cookbooks, gives no indication that bacon is ever not smoked, though it gives no advice on flavoring, noting only that care should be taken lest the fire get too hot. or frying. Jowl bacon is cured and smoked cheeks of pork. See Guanciale.
Sliced jowl bacon.
Slab bacon typically has a medium to very high fraction of fat. It is made from the belly and side cuts, and from fatback. Slab bacon is not to be confused with salt pork, which is prepared from the same cuts, but is not cured.
Bacon joints include the following:
Collar bacon is taken from the back of a pig near the head.[10] Hock, from the hog ankle joint between In early American history, the preparation and smoking of bacon (like the making of sausage) seems to have been a gender-neutral process, one of the few food-preparation processes not divided by gender.
In the United Kingdom and Ireland, smoked and unsmoked varieties are equally common, unsmoked being referred to as green bacon. The leaner cut of back bacon is preferred to the bacon from the belly[citation needed] (that is ubiquitous in the United States) which is referred to as streaky bacon due to the prominence of the bands of fat. While there is a tendency on both sides of the Atlantic to serve belly bacon well-done to crispy, back bacon may at first appear undercooked to Americans.
 We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |

Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
409
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:13:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:I guess you could read these as musings or a general opinion or even just fantasy. .
Or not read it at all and just post. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3557
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:43:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:OP spends a quarter of his post inviting ridicule, so that he can play the wounded party when they do.
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: ~~~PUPPET MASTER~~~ Oh wow, is that a platinum trophy? I am a nullsec zealot. |

Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
52
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Posted - 2013.03.13 05:32:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:You could even pick through my post bit by bit until you find a spelling mistake or an extra space between two words in a sentence and flame me to kingdom come.
You could even see this post as a possible threat to your way of life in New Eden, to defend only by be-littling the author etc etc. 'Belittle' doesn't have a hyphen, idiot. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
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