first holmes... it suck.

Ey holmes, Pollo Rico calls them as he sees them. It suck. Learn to fly the cane.... and get back to the kitchen eh? Pollo wants some burritos.

I, too, want horribly overpowered, unbalanced solopwnboats.

Or, simplified, no.

Rather than new tech 2 BCs I would prefer they just reskinned half of them to the tier 2 skins (i.e. Nighthawk to be Drake skin, Eos to Myrm skin, Slep to Cane and Abso to Harb)

I like this concept, but not in the proposed state.

I would prefer to see something along the lines of Deep Space Reconnaissance Ship or something of that nature. Basically to fill the gap between the Recon and the Black Ops.

thank f*** someone actually made a decent criticism, thank you. and i cant argue with you that's a point, is there any particular thing that you could think of to make it more like that probably a dps nuff like i said and to re-balance a cloak and maybe a covert cynosural field generator and a removal of the 99% reduction for warfare links but na that doesn't seem to go along with what T2 variants are in eve.

but the cyno Field Gen would degrees dps or you would have to remove one of the nuets, OR!!! you add that you can only fit a cyno field gen or a warfare link although that would only decrease the dps 77 need to be decreased by at least double that humm not sure how you would do that in keeping with T2 ships and the similarities between there T1 variants

i suppose you could reduce damage for 1 hour after using the cyno field gen and make it so you can unfit it for at least that long as well so you cant just dock up and change to a warfare link

Come on how awesome would Tier 2 T2 battlecruisers be if CCP did them right like your drake **** THAT NOW YOU HAVE A T2 version with decent DPS and a better tank.

I really dont get how you can call a ship with 2 medium neuts with a 25% reduction in Cap usage at level 5 and 100k EHP with 700 dps over powered at best

the 100k EHP defiantly isn't overpowered compared to t3s I don't know what your problem at least with that ship is the protous can do basically the same thing but has like near 200k EHP

but less range and probably dps in fact a protous could steam role a T2 hurricane if it had the bonus's i set out because of its relatively low EHP and bigger sig radius and lower speed

From a "theorycrafting" position... I can understand where you're coming from. I too have wet-dreams of a T2 Myrmidon.
But from a "game balance" perspective, "because it'd be cool" is NEVER a good reason to buff, nerf, or introduce new ships or mechanics.

Supercarriers are an excellent example of this. They were buffed almost 2 years ago "because it'd be cool" and they came to almost utterly dominate 0.0 warfare (i.e. basically if you didn't have more Supercarriers than the enemy, you'd lose).



Please read what your wrote there. Now compare those stats to a battleship.

What you have effectively created is a "battleship" that is smaller and has better mobility (and a better tank if you account for the relatively smaller sig radius of BCs to BSs).

Btw... aren't neuts and energy warfare an Amarrian/Amarrian-related thing?



The DPS and speed that a Proteus is capable of is somewhat anemic when it has that much EHP. It's also a T3... not a T1 or a T2 ship... it carries SP penalties on top of large ISK loss when destroyed.

Generally, ship current balance seems to be boiled down to being forced to choose between 2 of 4 aspects (or balance between 3 or all 4):

- speed/mobility
- DPS
- Tank
- Ewar

Even T2 ships have this limitation (hell, they sometimes have greater "limitations" in exchange for having higher "specialization").



Or the "perma-running" neuts you have your T2 Hurricane would eventually cap out the Proteus, making the guns, prop-mod, and warp scrambler stop functioning.
Now if said Proteus has a cap booster loaded... well... that might allow to continue running it's guns and maybe its scram... but definitely not it's prop-mod. The T2 Hurricane would use its superior base speed and agility this to go outside of blaster range (because remember, the Proteus sacrificed a web for a cap booster and has lower mobility due to its bulky armor tank). and kite until the Proteus it's dead.

***Before I start I want to say Tier 2 Battlecruisers are the Hurricane, Drake, Myrmidon and Harbinger I suggested it to someone and they said they alread Existed Command Ships they are Tier 1 T2.***

Come on how awesome would Tier 2 T2 battlecruisers be if CCP did them right like your drake **** THAT NOW YOU HAVE A T2 version with decent DPS and a better tank.

the biggest reason though for making Tier 2 T2 Battlecruisers from my point of view at any rate would be a T2 Hurricane variant. Yes the Sleipnir is a great solo PVP and also pretty damn good in a fleet with logi, but come on guys it looks like crap. the hurricane already looks awesome and is a pretty damn good disposable ganking ship with like 700 dps and small NOS/Nueting ability. Now imagine a T2 hurricane with double or triple the neuting ability and a half decent tank and the same 700+ dps "with perfect skills" and the ability to shield speed tank it still but better "with perfect skills" that would be frigging awesome. it would also need a little more power grid so you could maybe fit 2 mediums or even 2 heavy's.

Also i think you should give the others abilities like nueting etc not way overpower but just enough to give them an edge because doubling the hurriance's nueting ability would wouldn't be over powered.

say 5% to nuet cap usage and 5% to armor resistances, say it was as a joint effort with gallente as why it gets the 5% to armor and the nuet was after many years of work to gain an advantage over the amarrians.

and the T2 Tier 2 gallente ship would have something made by the minmtar that would help them agaisnt caldari same for Amarr and Caldair T2 Tier 2 ships

PS: also someone said they would should fly differently, well a hurricane with a semi decent neuting and better armor tanking would fly differently, with a huricane your trying to do as much damage as possible before you blow up with this idea you would theoretically be able to stay around for longer because you will be neuting your target enough to take less damage or sort your enemy from repping / boosting as much.

Rather than new tech 2 BCs I would prefer they just reskinned half of them to the tier 2 skins (i.e. Nighthawk to be Drake skin, Eos to Myrm skin, Slep to Cane and Abso to Harb)

colm down boys & girls That what says CCP this winter
new battlecruisers and balance changes

Playing the TL:DR card, so if it was said already, meh.

Anyways, the T2 tier 2s essentially already exist, just with the T1 skins. Nighthawk is pretty much a drake. Sliep->Cane Absolution->harbinger, simply in their play style. The only backwards one is the minmatar where the Eos is very droney like the myrm.

... what?

Essentially, the Field command ships, hac based battlecruisers, run pretty much as super upgraded Tier 2 bcs. They just have T1 hull. Only exception is the gallente. The eos is similar to myrm and the astarte is like the brutix.

I think originally that was the plan. If you'll notice the two types of command ships, one is more combat oriented. It makes perfect sense to have the field command ship be the teir 2 version. It would be easier to simply convert the stats over to the new ships. So the Absolution would then be a harbinger hull, instead of a prophecy hull.

Likewise you'd have a myrm and brutix command ship, a t2 hurricane and claymore, etc.

You would need some rebalancing of the bonuses and such, but it makes sense and keeps you from having to redesign/balance a whole new class of ship.