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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:55:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=breaking-news-ground-fighting-erupts-on-caldari-prime
Honestly I am surprised this has not made the Summit yet. Well then, shall all your barbarous desires come to a head, you warring Empire factions? One side wishes to exterminate the clone soldiers, but not to be outdone the other side races to master the technology and then wishes to exterminate their children too. And now after the violations of boarders in space, so too are violations occurring planet side now.
How long before this conflict spreads from the Algogille gate and the surface of Caldari Prime? When will Navy incursions into enemy space become a common site? Militia action is practicly hand slapping compared to what is to come. Colonies will burn with the hubris of State Loyalty and Federation Freedoms.
The Empires can not hold back or hold down the people any longer. The Uprising shall be so fierce that Heth and Roden will be lucky to survive it. Hopefully, luck is not with them.
Use whatever decency is left in your twisted and shattered minds, Capsuleers. Save the innocents. Do not fight for the mad rulers who would burn worlds to prove a point. |

Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
2
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:34:00 -
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This is a curious development.
First we have instability in the Caldari State.
Followed by an atrocity committed by the State against its own people.
Followed by a war of words between Executor Heth and Mentas Blaque.
Yesterday we had a small battle between Caldari State vessels and Federation Vessels which resulted in the destruction of 2 Caldari vessels and the escape of a Caldari Freighter which was being hounded by the Caldari Navy.
This sudden uprising is too convenient. Is this a False Flag operation by the Caldari State to unite its people by portraying the Gallente Federation as an enemy?
United a Divided People by creating a Common Foe.
The Federation people should be vigilant. We do not know what is going on. |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
80
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:46:00 -
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Meghel wrote: Yesterday we had a small battle between Caldari State vessels and Federation Vessels which resulted in the destruction of 2 Caldari vessels and the escape of a Caldari Freighter which was being hounded by the Caldari Navy.
At least five Raven Navy Issue class battleships were downed. I suspect closer to eight, but five is all I can personally confirm. You are seriously lacking in facts about the events of yesterday to start making such claims as you are. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
704
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:53:00 -
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Meghel wrote: The Federation people should be vigilant. We do not know what is going on.
You're right, you don't, though I suspect others in the Federation might. Yesterday's "event" was a border violation by the Caldari Navy while in pursuit of a freighter full of clone soldiers that had crossed into the Federation. The Caldari Navy, but not the freighter, was halted at the border (rightfully so) and after refusing to abandon pursuit, was destroyed by Federal border defense and Tripwire.
Admiral Bauvon, the Federal admiral in charge of the border defense operation was warned that he should consider the persons aboard the fleeing vessel but attested that it was none of his concern. It was later revealed that those individuals would engage in planetside hostilities against Federation assets and personnel. All of this was confirmed in your president's speech.
~Malcolm Khross
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
422
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:57:00 -
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Well, you invade a planet that doesn't want to be invaded (never mind what the invaders think), and this is what will happen after what the locals will perceive as an extended period of illegitimate rule.
Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4362
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:47:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63917
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Vlad Cetes
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
23
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:18:00 -
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Burn them all |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
81
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:20:00 -
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Vlad Cetes wrote:Burn them all
We will start with you. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
723
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:12:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Well, you invade a planet that doesn't want to be invaded (never mind what the invaders think), and this is what will happen after what the locals will perceive as an extended period of illegitimate rule.
Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.
We have some experience subjugating planets full of people who dislike being invaded. A few unfortunate failures but an overall sterling track record in this department. I'm sure the Empire would be more than happy to discuss effective methodology with the State regarding Caldari Prime should they wish to be educated on the subject.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:22:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
We have some experience subjugating planets full of people who dislike being invaded. A few unfortunate failures but an overall sterling track record in this department. I'm sure the Empire would be more than happy to discuss effective methodology with the State regarding Caldari Prime should they wish to be educated on the subject.
For that matter, should the Federation feel like taking a turn toward slash-and-burn, the Empire's advice may be equally applicable. Moreover, the ruins created through such processes are lovely, absolutely lovely!
Win-win-win.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
250
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:46:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.
I am pretty sure that any armed opposition or collaborators surviving the fighting will be treated with the full courtesy of martial law. Interesting to see you advocating such a bold move, captain. Or is it king now? Emperor? Exciting times indeed.
Regarding the ground fighting I am unconcerned given the strength and motivation of the troops stationed on Home. Ground fighting has been on the rise lately - I am sure Intaki is still standing, too.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:49:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:[quote=Seriphyn Inhonores] Interesting to see you advocating such a bold move, captain. Or is it king now? Emperor?
I believe the appropriate monarchical nomenclature would be "Princess Pop." |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
517
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:56:00 -
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The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.
If the Gallente forces reign supreme, then that Titan is going to open fire. Once that happens, full scale war begins. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
422
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:58:00 -
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It's not the Federation fighting the State on Caldari Prime. It is the local residents against the occupational authority. Although the Scope report referred to the partisans as 'Gallente', you can bet that will include ethnic Caldari as well.
Alternatively, it might just be those cloned mercenaries up to no good again. |

Simon Louvaki
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
240
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:12:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.
Worst case scenario = Caldari unity. The Caldari don't often fold when faced with a common threat. We consolidate. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |

Shiori Shaishi
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:50:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war [...] The State endures, pilot. While there have been incidents, those had their history and reasons. That these are directly indicative of a state on the brink of civil war is in all likelihood an idea originating in the hopeful thinking of the disaffected, or the fevered imaginings of those afflicted with capsule dementia. I very much doubt it will become necessary for Caldari to take up arms against their fellow Caldari in numbers. |

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
138
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:16:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:It's not the Federation fighting the State on Caldari Prime. It is the local residents against the occupational authority. Although the Scope report referred to the partisans as 'Gallente', you can bet that will include ethnic Caldari as well.
I'd advise you to re-read what you just wrote to realize how naive and propaganda laced it sounds. Caldari boogeymen are so evil that even their own people are turning against them? I always thought thepropaganda and faux news over at Scope had some limits on the matter of not being too absurd. I'm afraid you've just crossed them. - L. C, Domination Malakim .stillwater |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
441
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:54:00 -
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All demagogues claim that their people will endure, and endure and endure endlessly, no matter the culture, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the race.
Then war happens indeed, and indeed, they endure, for that they believe in every word of the leaders they learned to acclaim.
And someday, after a good deal of things that tend to deeply harass people to the point of not finding war bearable anymore, a few voices raise, and more and more follow. *
No matter the culture. They are suddenly fed up to endure, and unable to withstand it anymore, for that it is a particular trait of most individuals. There is always a breaking point, unless the conflict is a conflict of desperate survival, which is not here.
Let's see how many time you all will endure.
Especially after reading capsuleers telling that to baseliners. The irony. |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
84
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Posted - 2013.03.15 22:32:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:All demagogues claim that their people will endure, and endure and endure endlessly, no matter the culture, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the race.
Then war happens indeed, and indeed, they endure, for that they believe in every word of the leaders they learned to acclaim.
And someday, after a good deal of things that tend to deeply harass people to the point of not finding war bearable anymore, a few voices raise, and more and more follow. *
No matter the culture. They are suddenly fed up to endure, and unable to withstand it anymore, for that it is a particular trait of most individuals. There is always a breaking point, unless the conflict is a conflict of desperate survival, which is not here.
Let's see how many time you all will endure.
Especially after reading capsuleers telling that to baseliners. The irony.
People endure. Sometimes governments, not so much.
I am sure that this is not the end of civilized (as much as it is) society. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to minimize death and destruction.
Then again, maybe if full scale war breaks out the Empires will attempt peace with Nation so they are not fighting on half a dozen fronts at once....No, we're dreaming again. |

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
397
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:06:00 -
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I really don't like being right sometimes. Please, let my fears be just fears.
Peace. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |

Nick Shale
Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys
16
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:34:00 -
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This situation has broader consequences that should concern us all as pod pilots. If governments start declaring war on clone soldiers there is very little difference between them and us. If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well. Regulation by a neutral agency like CONCORD and an international accord like Yoiul Conference needs to be drawn outlining the rights of this new clone soldier before the fear of this new technology polarizes baseliners against us. |

Keitunen Eto
Uchusen Technologies
0
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Posted - 2013.03.16 07:41:00 -
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Nick Shale wrote:This situation has broader consequences that should concern us all as pod pilots. If governments start declaring war on clone soldiers there is very little difference between them and us. If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well. Regulation by a neutral agency like CONCORD and an international accord like Yoiul Conference needs to be drawn outlining the rights of this new clone soldier before the fear of this new technology polarizes baseliners against us.
As much as I would dislike working with the Gallente this man actually speaks a truth. As one of the many Caldari trying to find a practical solution to what has been happening as of late in terms of business. The verge of civil war in the state and constant oppression being on the doorstep from the Gallente bring me to worry. Maybe Heth has finally moved too far. Though his constant wars do help my business. Maybe I should just sit back and watch. These clone soldiers though are strangely a concern for the clone market as well as the safety of us all in terms of where and what is safe. |

Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
16
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:09:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:I'd advise you to re-read what you just wrote to realize how naive and propaganda laced it sounds. Caldari boogeymen are so evil that even their own people are turning against them? I always thought thepropaganda and faux news over at Scope had some limits on the matter of not being too absurd. I'm afraid you've just crossed them.
Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.
His point, which should have been obvious to anyone with a working mind, is that not all the Federal citizens on that planet are ethnic Gallente, and that there are probably, among the partisans, ethnic Caldari who are members of the Federation. |

Aquila Shadow
Midnight Security Consulting
102
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:18:00 -
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Due to the current conflict on Caldari Prime Midnight Security Consulting has accepted a contract from the Provist Occupation Authority to assist with the protection of military bases and government building thus freeing up Caldari forces to deal with the current unrest on the planet. MSC has also been contracted to deploy surveillance drones (UAV) and combat drones (UCAV) to help provide a swift resolution to the current unrest. We have also accepted a contract from the Caldari Navy to assist with the transport of Caldari Marines to the surface of the planet.
http://i.imgur.com/AaJFTVY.jpg
The first hundred MSC personnel are scheduled to arrive on the planet in the next few hours to establish an FOB for our deployment. The rest will follow once the green light has been given by the local government. We hope for a swift resolution to the unrest on the planet and are committed to restoring order with as little damage as possible. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1242
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:07:00 -
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Unfortunately I don't see how the State can hold on to Caldari Prime in the long term without subjugating the Federation's core systems.
If the Caldari want to maintain control of their homeworld they need to stop pussyfooting around. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
441
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:34:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:
People endure. Sometimes governments, not so much.
Well then, I fundamentally disagree. Governments are ethereal entities, however changing, they mainly think in pragmatic terms. When they change, it usually comes from the masses.
Evi Polevhia wrote:Then again, maybe if full scale war breaks out the Empires will attempt peace with Nation so they are not fighting on half a dozen fronts at once....No, we're dreaming again.
Why would someone attempt peace with an invader that has never shown any interest of doing so ? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1123
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:53:00 -
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Nick Shale wrote:If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well.
Well if they wanted to eliminate capsuleers the first step would be to weaken their military assets. Perhaps deliberately create a proxy warzone where they can destroy the fruits of their own labor in large amounts on a daily basis so as to slowly drain away their military strength fighting each other in preparation for the day that the navies move in to finish the job?
Just a thought.
EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |

Terenius Neo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:29:00 -
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I would like to express my condolence to those, which took the brave and fearless step to fight at the heart of the enemy... their homeworld,... outnumbered and outguned, against all odds!
And I also hereby testify my greatest respect for those few who fought for the ideal of freedom and independence.
Gallente and Caldari alike! |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
524
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:55:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.
Worst case scenario = Caldari unity. The Caldari don't often fold when faced with a common threat. We consolidate.
That would actually be preferable for the Federation. The chaos that would ensue among the ranks if even a small insurrection would break out would be disastrous for both the Federation and the State. Chains of command are broken up, nobody can tell who is friendly and show is against them, people make panicked decisions.
Of course, this would be desirable if the Federation wanted to invade, which is not the case. The Federation want's to restore peace on Caldari Prime, the State splintering into several factions would be horrible for everyone.
Shiori Shaishi wrote: I very much doubt it will become necessary for Caldari to take up arms against their fellow Caldari in numbers.
Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.
Of course, if you just watch the news in the State the only thing you hear is "Everything is fine, go back to work." or "Things are bad, and it's the Gallente's fault." I thought the Federation was full of fools who will believe and obey anything that is said on a holo-projector. Turns out we aren't the only ones with that problem.
Your State is in chaos, the longer it takes for yourself and others to accept that, the worse the crisis is going to get. There are atrocities being committed on a daily basis and the people responsible are directing the blame to others.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
650
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Posted - 2013.03.17 01:41:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.
Of course, if you just watch the news in the State the only thing you hear is "Everything is fine, go back to work." or "Things are bad, and it's the Gallente's fault." I thought the Federation was full of fools who will believe and obey anything that is said on a holo-projector. Turns out we aren't the only ones with that problem.
Your State is in chaos, the longer it takes for yourself and others to accept that, the worse the crisis is going to get. There are atrocities being committed on a daily basis and the people responsible are directing the blame to others.
Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths, In black and cold, in toil and pain.
Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire, Over coals of sorrow, under Cold Wind's reign.
Our sword is sharpened against our skin, by draw of blood, blessed by the slain.
Our sword is wielded between hand and glove, Each one is different, each one the same.
Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas! You die so that all may live. |
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