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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2013.03.17 03:59:00 -
[31] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:
Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.
Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.
Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.
Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.
Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
650
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:10:00 -
[32] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I apologise, I am a very poor poet.
Our culture is predicated on conflict; it is a mistake to think that the current disarray will bring about our downfall. Chaos is not a bad thing, it is both destructive and generative. May this current age of chaos bring new wonders and greater happiness for all. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
526
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:35:00 -
[33] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I apologise, I am a very poor poet. Our culture is predicated on conflict; it is a mistake to think that the current disarray will bring about our downfall. Chaos is not a bad thing, it is both destructive and generative. May this current age of chaos bring new wonders and greater happiness for all.
Ah I understand, thank you for clarifying. And your poetry was fine, I'm not very good at analyzing poetry and I feared I would say something regrettable due my lack of understanding.
And I do not believe that the current chaos within the State will bring apart your downfall. The Caldari people have and will continue to persevere through both times of prosperity and strife. Hopefully, the chaos will lead to the end of Heth and radicals within the Federation. When level headed people were running our two nations, we were at peace for a century and in earlier times, managed to help each other form the glorious civilizations that span the stars to this day. Yes, it's hard to imagine but our people were actually friends at one point. It was only when crazed Ultra-Nationalist in the Federation and greedy CEOs in the State took over is when things went south. Hopefully, our two nations will one day enjoy some sort of cooperation again. This is where the Chaos you describe can be very good for the State and even the Federation.
However, in the here and now, this chaos can be very destructive, particularly in Luminaire with the Caldari titan battlegroup waiting there. If there is a disruption in the chain of command and suddenly the admiral of that Titan is the highest authority nearby, things could get messy if he is forced to make a rapid and panicked decision.
This is why I do not want Gallente intervention to take place. If every unfortunate event happens at once, as it often does, then Gallente intervention might be the spark that causes the missiles and drones to fly. If we just keep to our side of Luminaire while this combat occurs on Caldari Prime, then the State will regain control of the planet (eventually) and we can go back to the uneasy peace we've had for the past few years. Sure, we might be pointing guns at each other, but at least we aren't firing them.
In the long run, something better will come of this even in a worse case scenario. However, the loss of life and destruction would be horrifying. I would much rather see a peaceful, but slow end to this than an abrupt firestorm.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
512
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:49:00 -
[34] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Scherezad wrote:
Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.
Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.
Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.
Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.
Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
My kirjuun and I, against my suuolo
My suuolo and I, against the Citizen
The Citizen and I, against the Jaiji.
On the day you lift your hand, you will fall. |
Shiori Shaishi
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:28:00 -
[35] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.
I have claimed that I do not believe the current incidents will lead to Caldari taking up arms against Caldari in numbers. I am indebted to pilots Tuulinen and Scherezad for providing an excellent impression of our approach to internal conflict, above. You would do well to read it, several times, until the words are imprinted on your mind.
It would do you some good to read the news further than the headlines, as well.
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Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
807
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Posted - 2013.03.17 12:20:00 -
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Freedom fighters, soldiers, citizens and brave souls. Your sacrifices will not be in vain.
Let this be the moment that will go down in history that fellow individuals rose up against oppression and beared arms against a common enemy.
You aren't fighting for just your personal freedoms, your individuality, your heritage in this universe, for your rights and for liberation. You are fighting for your homes and families, for your spouses, children and for everything you hold dear in your lives.
You are fighting against an evil totalitarian regime that holds no respect or regard to who you are and are fueled by propaganda and greed. That planet you call home, has been taken from you because of foolish pride. To this very moment they hold your lives hostage as the scum and tyrants that they are but don't fret.
Any harm inflicted upon you will be returned tenfold. They can wound you, bleed you and even kill you however they'll never be able to destroy your right to freedom and precious ideals.
Fight on free men and women, sons and daughters of the Federation.
Sange por sange!
SP-DR is recruiting: http://spdr.enjin.com
Amarr Empire in a nut shell: http://i48.tinypic.com/2luayva.jpg |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
74
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:07:00 -
[37] - Quote
Mekhana wrote:Freedom fighters, soldiers, citizens and brave souls. Your sacrifices will not be in vain.
Let this be the moment that will go down in history that fellow individuals rose up against oppression and beared arms against a common enemy.
You aren't fighting for just your personal freedoms, your individuality, your heritage in this universe, for your rights and for liberation. You are fighting for your homes and families, for your spouses, children and for everything you hold dear in your lives.
You are fighting against an evil totalitarian regime that holds no respect or regard to who you are and are fueled by propaganda and greed. That planet you call home, has been taken from you because of foolish pride. To this very moment they hold your lives hostage as the scum and tyrants that they are but don't fret.
Any harm inflicted upon you will be returned tenfold. They can wound you, bleed you and even kill you however they'll never be able to destroy your right to freedom and precious ideals.
Fight on free men and women, sons and daughters of the Federation.
Sange por sange!
You're just as delusional and as the forklift driver running this State. |
Terenius Neo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:54:00 -
[38] - Quote
Mekhana seams to have her heart at the right spot and I do support her calling to the Gallente on Caldari Prime. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:09:00 -
[39] - Quote
Shiori Shaishi wrote:
I have claimed that I do not believe the current incidents will lead to Caldari taking up arms against Caldari in numbers. I am indebted to pilots Tuulinen and Scherezad for providing an excellent impression of our approach to internal conflict, above. You would do well to read it, several times, until the words are imprinted on your mind.
It would do you some good to read the news further than the headlines, as well.
Are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of workers protesting and rioting against the State along with the forces sent out to crush this unrest not in numbers? Also, I understand your methods of dealing with internal conflict. However, what you don't seem to understand is that this conflict shouldn't even be happening in the first place. I'm all for the State changing it's ways for what they percieve to be better, I really do, but from the scope of the fighting on Caldari Prime, now would be a bad time for that change to occur.
Also, I read the news plenty, especially given my current (temporary) job in The Scope. In fact, I often read the story before they can figure out what the headline will be call.
I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Tobias Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:57:00 -
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LIVE FROM CALDARI PRIME - GALLENTE SEGREGATION DISTRICT, RESISTANCE FORWARD OPERATING BASE
*Gunfire can be heard off in the distance*
After several days of intense fighting and mounting casualties on both sides many among the Gallente resistance feel that the tipping point of this uprising will be reached in the next 24hrs. Caldari forces have started to come down hard on any suspected resistance strongholds thanks to an influx of mercenaries that have been hired to bolster the thinly stretched Caldari forces.
Gallente resistance forces have also started to calling the hired help to keep the pressure on the Provist government in the hope that either they can either capture enough key areas of the city to push back the Caldari forces or that re-enforcement's can arrive from the Federation. Were the money is coming from to pay these mercenaries is anyone's guess with rumors ranging from FIO involvement to hidden funds dating back to before the invasion. One thing is certain though, the next few days may decide who rules Caldari Prime. |
Knoot Enderas
Advenus Classem
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
45
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Mercenaries fighting against Caldari soldiers on Home.
How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.
The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:45:00 -
[42] - Quote
Knoot Enderas wrote:The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.
No it doesn't. There is nothing in Gallente space the Caldari have even a shred of a claim to.
Mane 614
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
721
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:52:00 -
[43] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Knoot Enderas wrote:The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now. No it doesn't. There is nothing in Gallente space the Caldari have even a shred of a claim to.
Beyond our home world, you mean?
~Malcolm Khross
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:55:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Beyond our home world, you mean?
Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.
Mane 614
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
722
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:10:00 -
[45] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.
Allowed?
Congratulations, you have just validated everything the Provists keep saying about you and your Federation.
~Malcolm Khross
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
Malcolm Khross wrote:Allowed?
Congratulations, you have just validated everything the Provists keep saying about you and your Federation.
Apparently that's what we need to become to survive. Blame yourselves, if you blame anyone.
Mane 614
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
76
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:28:00 -
[47] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.
It falls on the Federation for there to be peace between our people. We are simply trying to exist without your Federation imposing their freedom upon us.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Apparently that's what we need to become to survive. Blame yourselves, if you blame anyone.
I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:37:00 -
[48] - Quote
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive.
If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?
Mane 614
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
76
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:39:00 -
[49] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?
Consider pursuing mental evaluation. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:40:00 -
[50] - Quote
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:Consider pursuing mental evaluation.
Consider kissing a part of my anatomy CRC regulations prevent me from naming publicly.
Mane 614
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Kares Shahzu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:42:00 -
[51] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?
Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.
"If that's what it takes..." is a very dangerous opening preposition and often justifies the most heinous of evil acts. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
76
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Consider kissing a part of my anatomy CRC regulations prevent me from naming publicly.
Consideration rejected.
Hows about making a tangible argument for once that doesn't indicate you as being a psychotic loose cannon?
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
Kares Shahzu wrote:Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.
"If that's what it takes..." is a very dangerous opening preposition and often justifies the most heinous of evil acts.
The survival of the Federation clearly cannot be ensured by taking the moral high-ground at every opportunity. That just gets us stamped upon by the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.
If becoming monsters to fight monsters is what it takes, then that's what it takes, clearly.
Mane 614
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1558
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:46:00 -
[54] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive. If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?
Wait a second.
I can think of at least two situations where the Gallente have been responsible for things which could be termed attempted genocides.
I can not think of a situation where the Gallente have been the victims.
Which of your enemies is attempting to commit a genocide against the Gallente, Andreus? |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:47:00 -
[55] - Quote
Sorry, can't answer your question. Don't talk to subhumans.
Mane 614
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Kares Shahzu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:That just gets us stamped upon by the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.
Yet here you are, claiming the moral high ground even now. The hypocrisy, of course, is that you dehumanize everyone that you consider your enemy so that you may regard them with the venomous animosity you are consistently displaying. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1558
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:51:00 -
[57] - Quote
That's a shame, because it is a question which deserves an answer.
You say that your enemies have no compunction against genocide. History shows this is clearly not the case, whereas the side you are arguing for has on two seperate occasions led genocidal assaults, against my People, and against the Caldari. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:against my People
See, there's your problem.
There weren't any.
Mane 614
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
400
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:52:00 -
[59] - Quote
Ensuring the survival of anything is impossible, and therefor ultimately pointless, all things come to an end.
Nothing we do matters to anyone but ourselves.
If people only realized this, we could have peace. Not that it matters.
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1558
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:54:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:against my People See, there's your problem. There weren't any.
Well, this is an interesting shift. |
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