Yesterday we had a small battle between Caldari State vessels and Federation Vessels which resulted in the destruction of 2 Caldari vessels and the escape of a Caldari Freighter which was being hounded by the Caldari Navy.

The Federation people should be vigilant.
We do not know what is going on.

Burn them all

Well, you invade a planet that doesn't want to be invaded (never mind what the invaders think), and this is what will happen after what the locals will perceive as an extended period of illegitimate rule.

Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.

We have some experience subjugating planets full of people who dislike being invaded. A few unfortunate failures but an overall sterling track record in this department. I'm sure the Empire would be more than happy to discuss effective methodology with the State regarding Caldari Prime should they wish to be educated on the subject.

Your best bet is to kill them all. I, of course, detest such an approach, but if you really want that world, you're going to have to deal with the residents. And the residents don't like you.

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Interesting to see you advocating such a bold move, captain. Or is it king now? Emperor?

The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war, but with an increasing anti-caldari message being created in the Federation, it will become very difficult for them to fight Federal forces effectively if a worse case scenario occurs.

The Caldari are not only on the verge of civil war [...]

It's not the Federation fighting the State on Caldari Prime. It is the local residents against the occupational authority. Although the Scope report referred to the partisans as 'Gallente', you can bet that will include ethnic Caldari as well.

All demagogues claim that their people will endure, and endure and endure endlessly, no matter the culture, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the race.

Then war happens indeed, and indeed, they endure, for that they believe in every word of the leaders they learned to acclaim.

And someday, after a good deal of things that tend to deeply harass people to the point of not finding war bearable anymore, a few voices raise, and more and more follow. *

No matter the culture. They are suddenly fed up to endure, and unable to withstand it anymore, for that it is a particular trait of most individuals. There is always a breaking point, unless the conflict is a conflict of desperate survival, which is not here.

Let's see how many time you all will endure.

Especially after reading capsuleers telling that to baseliners. The irony.

This situation has broader consequences that should concern us all as pod pilots. If governments start declaring war on clone soldiers there is very little difference between them and us. If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well. Regulation by a neutral agency like CONCORD and an international accord like Yoiul Conference needs to be drawn outlining the rights of this new clone soldier before the fear of this new technology polarizes baseliners against us.

I'd advise you to re-read what you just wrote to realize how naive and propaganda laced it sounds.
Caldari boogeymen are so evil that even their own people are turning against them? I always thought thepropaganda and faux news over at Scope had some limits on the matter of not being too absurd.
I'm afraid you've just crossed them.

People endure. Sometimes governments, not so much.

Then again, maybe if full scale war breaks out the Empires will attempt peace with Nation so they are not fighting on half a dozen fronts at once....No, we're dreaming again.

If actions against them are justified then a similar case could be done against pod pilots as well.

Worst case scenario = Caldari unity. The Caldari don't often fold when faced with a common threat. We consolidate.

I very much doubt it will become necessary for Caldari to take up arms against their fellow Caldari in numbers.

Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.


Of course, if you just watch the news in the State the only thing you hear is "Everything is fine, go back to work." or "Things are bad, and it's the Gallente's fault." I thought the Federation was full of fools who will believe and obey anything that is said on a holo-projector. Turns out we aren't the only ones with that problem.

Your State is in chaos, the longer it takes for yourself and others to accept that, the worse the crisis is going to get. There are atrocities being committed on a daily basis and the people responsible are directing the blame to others.

Our metal is mined from Kaalakiota's depths,
In black and cold,
in toil and pain.

Our metal is smelted in chaos's fire,
Over coals of sorrow,
under Cold Wind's reign.

Our sword is sharpened against our skin,
by draw of blood,
blessed by the slain.

Our sword is wielded between hand and glove,
Each one is different,
each one the same.

Rukkara, rukkara, Oonekatstas!
You die so that all may live.

Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I apologise, I am a very poor poet.

Our culture is predicated on conflict; it is a mistake to think that the current disarray will bring about our downfall. Chaos is not a bad thing, it is both destructive and generative. May this current age of chaos bring new wonders and greater happiness for all.

Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Caldari workers are getting shot for peacefully protesting, there are riots on New Caldari, the mega-corps are at each others throats, and Tibus Heth is using the Federation as a scapegoat...again. And yet you claim the State is unified and will never ever take arms against each other.

Freedom fighters, soldiers, citizens and brave souls. Your sacrifices will not be in vain.

Let this be the moment that will go down in history that fellow individuals rose up against oppression and beared arms against a common enemy.

You aren't fighting for just your personal freedoms, your individuality, your heritage in this universe, for your rights and for liberation. You are fighting for your homes and families, for your spouses, children and for everything you hold dear in your lives.

You are fighting against an evil totalitarian regime that holds no respect or regard to who you are and are fueled by propaganda and greed. That planet you call home, has been taken from you because of foolish pride. To this very moment they hold your lives hostage as the scum and tyrants that they are but don't fret.

Any harm inflicted upon you will be returned tenfold. They can wound you, bleed you and even kill you however they'll never be able to destroy your right to freedom and precious ideals.

Fight on free men and women, sons and daughters of the Federation.

Sange por sange!

I have claimed that I do not believe the current incidents will lead to Caldari taking up arms against Caldari in numbers. I am indebted to pilots Tuulinen and Scherezad for providing an excellent impression of our approach to internal conflict, above. You would do well to read it, several times, until the words are imprinted on your mind.

It would do you some good to read the news further than the headlines, as well.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.

No it doesn't. There is nothing in Gallente space the Caldari have even a shred of a claim to.

Beyond our home world, you mean?

Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Allowed?

Congratulations, you have just validated everything the Provists keep saying about you and your Federation.

Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Apparently that's what we need to become to survive. Blame yourselves, if you blame anyone.

I picture that one day, the Federation will plant it's flag on Athra. When met with Amarrian hostilities, they will reason that they must become genociders to survive.

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Consider pursuing mental evaluation.

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Consider kissing a part of my anatomy CRC regulations prevent me from naming publicly.

Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

"If that's what it takes..." is a very dangerous opening preposition and often justifies the most heinous of evil acts.

If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

That just gets us stamped upon by the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.

against my People

See, there's your problem.

There weren't any.

Well, this is an interesting shift.

See, there's your problem.

There weren't any.

Obviousy Mr. Ixiris has resorted to considering all non-Gallente something other than people, as a coping mechanism to alleviate any guilt that would come with the genocidal behavior he so often indicates a liking for.

No, see.

'cause...

The Sansha.

*Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter*

They think they're people!

It's adorable.

You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

No, I mean it, I think you have actually gone psychotic.

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Partisan Mercenaries fighting against Caldari Occupying Mercenaries on Luminaire VIII

How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.

Fixed it.

Seriously Knoot. Pot, Kettle.

it was not that long ago that the threat of that titan was that if any conflict occurred, ALL of the gallente expatriates on the planet would be slaughtered from orbit.

How long do you think the a Caldari population would have sat under the same threat from an Erebus before conflict began.

Now that mercenaries from BOTH sides have turned up to reinforce their combatants, you try to spin it as an invasion?

one word for you.

Couster.

Well yeah, I guess technically, you're right. Since psychosis is a fundamentally human condition, joining Sansha would solve both of those issues.


And the Sansha is lecturing me about being psychotic!

Man, you things might not be human, you might barely even count as living organisms, but you sure are a laugh riot. It almost makes me sad that so many of you miserable things got burnt up a century back.

Almost.

Actually, psychosis is not a part of the human condition (or perhaps more realistically, ought not to be).

To turn the smear you people so often throw at us, if you have a toaster, and it is no longer making toast, but is instead burning your house down, you do not call your burnt down home a result of allowing the toaster to be what it wants to be.

You have a fundamental error in your brain. This is an aberration, a difference of extreme intensity in how you are supposed to function as a human being.

Thankfully, like any other machine, biological or not, you can be fixed. This is the entire point of psychiatric medicine.

I want you, very sincerely, to seek medical help. You are a man who can pilot a ship the size of a small space station, and you are now openly talking about how much genocide seems like a good idea.

If you cannot see how this is a bad thing, then I strongly urge your fellows in Mixed Metaphor to take control of the situation. Your leader has become incapable of leading your corporation soundly, and now presents a danger not only to himself, but to you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.

"I'm not insane, my opponent belongs to a different ideology" is not generally considered a valid logical defense, for the record.

One's opponent in a debate is not generally a cult of cybernetic abominations with no morals, humanity or genuine consciousness.

The thing that voluntarily replaced his soul with circuitry and his humanity with machinery is lecturing me about mental health!

I will counter with an equally specious argument. I believe that your arguments are wrong because your name starts with an A and people whos name starts with A have historically made incorrect arguments.

Ad hominem attack, mixed with slander and mistruth, another logical fallacy predicated on an error. Fair enough, it is par for the course with capsuleers, I suppose.

Mr. Ixiris is still conveniently deflecting to the Sansha despite the fact that they're just one party he's professed genocidal feelings towards in this thread (Amarr, Caldari, Sansha)?

Good. I was worried that he'd make some sense before I returned to the thread and I'd miss out (not really).

Mr. Ixiris, I'm not a Sansha loyalist. So listen to this; you're unfit to act as a CEO.

You're not very good at recognizing irony, are you Mister Ixiris?

Last I checked, the Gallente don't ascribe to the idea of the human soul. Perhaps I am mistaken.

However, you are a capsuleer, are you not? You're every bit a "machine" that Tiberious Thessalonia is.

Ad hominem is not, as some believe...

Do you honestly think that anyone in my corporation is going to listen to you?

We could have day long discussions about what level of "machinery" is necessary for a person to no longer be considered a person.

No we don't! All we need to do is look at a Sansha. That'll give you a fairly good estimate. Case closed!

Man, everything would be so much more efficient if people listened to me more often.

If I were a member of your corporation, I would be very offended by this assumption that I am unable to come to my own conclusions.

I would instead look at your behavior in this thread, and ask myself "Do I feel right being led by this man?"

I would then be looking for ways to neutralize your relevance.

You sound obsessed. I will add that to the list of symptoms for the differential diagnosis I am currently preparing.

Does anyone happen to have Mr. Ixiris's recent medical scans? How about a copy of his brain scan. The more information I have, the better I can diagnose him.

I don't know why you are wishing me luck. Nothing we've been talking about requires luck.

I am not even sure what you are talking about now. If you're saying "Good luck getting me removed from my CEOship", it would be a fallacy because I am not actively going to do anything to do that. I am merely hoping that your comrades have more sense than you have exhibited, but if Mixed Metaphor wants to continue to employ you as a CEO, well...

Never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake, I guess. I just wish that no one had seen fit to put you in charge of a plasma spewing death machine.

So very intrigueing, isn't he?

Pardon me for interjecting, but I was curious if this degree of disconnection and focused insanity might be of use in battle.
Evidently it's of no use there, at least after our own observations.

Here's a note - I'm well aware of the possibility of corporate infiltrators, particularly Sansha ones, as such a thing has occured at least once in the past. That's why I own 99% of Mixed Metaphor's shares. The guy who owns the remaining 1%? One of my oldest friends, who feels just about as much revulsion towards the the Sansha as I do.

Like I said, good luck unseating me.


That's pretty rich, coming from a Sansha.

Gotcha. Paranoia as well.

I do believe you might be schizophrenic, Mr. Ixiris

Seems to me that you lose a lot more ships than I do.

There's that thing, Ixiris, it's called digging your own grave.

Your over the top and failed attempt at casual dismissal says all that ever needs be said.

You are a loudmouth, a craven and your entire achievements in this conflict consist of hooking up with a group of pilots benevolent enough to let you tag along. You were boasting about your prowess, but after getting spanked a couple of times you've tugged your tail between your legs and ran, never to be seen again.

Fair enough.
Then you've finally grown tired of playing at soldiers?

I returned to this conversation to hope that our to-that-point constructive conversation might be continued. Instead, I am saddened to see this ... outburst. The previous few pages have been an entirely different sort of conversation from the one which preceded it. I've attempted to encapsulate it, below. I was sadly unable to continue to the end of the conversation, however - I apologize. I can only take so much misery at once.

A demonstration of comparative humanity:

Compassion to the Desires of Others:

Ixiris: Honestly it's to the point where I couldn't give a damn about your homeworld. If there can't be peace on any terms, much less the Federation's (and at this rate, there won't be) I don't see why the hell you should be allowed to have it.

Nikulainen: It falls on the Federation for there to be peace between our people. We are simply trying to exist without your Federation imposing their freedom upon us.

Consideration of First-Order Morality:

Ixiris: If that's what it takes to ensure the survival of the Federation. History has shown us that our enemies will have no such qualms - why should we?

Shahzu: Because the very existence of your Federation depends upon it. It champions the ideals of freedom and liberty while seeking the moral high ground in nearly every instance.

Dehumanization of Other Peoples:

Ixiris: Sorry, can't answer your question. Don't talk to subhumans.

Ixiris: ... the subhuman hordes of the Sansha, the junkie genetrash of the Serpentis, the megacorporate sheep of the State or the morally bankrupt rapists of the Empire.

Ixiris: But then again, Sansha aren't people anyway.

Compassion:

Polevhia: Use whatever decency is left in your twisted and shattered minds, Capsuleers. Save the innocents. Do not fight for the mad rulers who would burn worlds to prove a point.

Polevhia: I am sure that this is not the end of civilized (as much as it is) society. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to minimize death and destruction

Ixiris: The Sansha. *Andreus is clearly having severe difficulty holding back laughter* They think they're people! It's adorable.

Thessalonia: You know, we can fix this level of psychosis, Andreus.

Thessalonia: (expression of concern towards...) you, and your cause, and your loved ones, and absolute strangers on planets you have never visited.

Ixiris: No, but seriously, it's only a genocide if there are people getting hurt.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who in this conversation has demonstrated the better aspects of humanity, and who has not.

No, you're just flagrantly misrepresenting the facts, and I think you're aware of this.

You understand the way Sansha "fix" mental health issues, right, Scherezad?

You're clearly not very bright, but you can't be that stupid.

You assume that I am going to implant you and make you part of my network.

For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation.

You understand the way Sansha "fix" mental health issues, right, Scherezad?

You're clearly not very bright, but you can't be that stupid.

Whoa now, are you actually saying Sansha loyalists...those that help upliftings, steal crew, and so on and so forth are companionate and this isn't some cheap propaganda plot? I swear, you capsuleers might be powerful but you all aren't the best and brightest by any stretch....a few choice words and manipulated like everyone else.

Solarienne, you are truly gifted in the area of making statements that, like an Amarrian priest and a child in an elevator, are wrong on so many levels.

The three replies, prior to Tiberious', made my day.

For the record, there are plenty of reasonable, compassionate people in Nation. It is also a well known fact I am not one of them. Suffice to say that Scherezad was likely keeping her argument short for the benefit of those having trouble seeing past their own noses.

All in all though, that positive deluge of testosterone seasons your complete impotence quite delightfully, Ixiris. See you in space.

Until your master flips a switch, calls forth an Incursion into High-Sec space and BAM compassion gone.

The point I was making was that, despite the things that Nation does, the Nationals in this thread have been speaking with more concern for the well-being of others.

Even if their view of compassion is not the same as your own, they have been speaking with that compassion more firmly seated in their minds.

The Incursions are rooted, at least in part, due to our compassionate impulses, Ms. Unarmored.

Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?

It's not real concern, you gullible cow.

Let me make it simple for you, since clearly you're not particularly well-atuned to subtlety: Sansha don't have emotions. They don't feel compassion. Their brains do not function like human brains do. What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist or Constructed Adept. When I say that Sansha aren't even remotely human you need to understand that that isn't simply a bon mot I use for the purposes of political propaganda, that's an actual fact of their existence.


Literally all the True Slave Foundation actually do in space is blow random people's ships up. Do you honestly think that a few words on a forum makes up for that?

I like how you think you know what we do, while so fundamentally understanding what we are, who we are, why we are.

That's because I've had first-hand experience. You're far too caught-up in this farce of an exercise attempting to paint me as a psychotic (good job, there, you've convinced a few Sansha shills and a couple of State trolls of no significance to anyone and precisely no-one else) to actually ask why it is that I believe these things.

Very funny way of showing it, sort of like one of those abusive relationships you see on daytime views eh?

to actually ask why it is that I believe these things.

It's not real concern, you gullible cow.

Let me make it simple for you, since clearly you're not particularly well-atuned to subtlety: Sansha don't have emotions. They don't feel compassion. Their brains do not function like human brains do. What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist or Constructed Adept. When I say that Sansha aren't even remotely human you need to understand that that isn't simply a bon mot I use for the purposes of political propaganda, that's an actual fact of their existence.

Literally all the True Slave Foundation actually do in space is blow random people's ships up. Do you honestly think that a few words on a forum makes up for that?

Quite frankly you are all psychotic, but at least Ixiris doesn't force people in a Nation against their will. There is that stickler in the comparison.

Thank you for the clarification, sir - perhaps my own brain trauma conflicts with my ability to think rationally on the subject.

Arguement: The CONCORD signatories turned over a large portion of their power and decision making ability to an agency which then propagated a technology that allows people like Andreus (and worse than Andreus) to pilot spaceships armed to the brim with weaponry, and instituted no control over how they do this. They have recently authorized these pilots to shoot at, exclusively, temperate planets.

The empires and nations of the CONCORD covenant have thusly clearly demonstrated that they are incapable of effective self rulership. From our point of view, it is an act of ultimate mercy to remove these ill managed institutions in favor of one which manages itself effectively.

In addition, we are involved in several charitable initiatives aimed at defeating death itself. The whole thing. Not just curing a single disease, or stopping a particular massacre, but making each and every single human being immortal, free from the heretofore inescapable death sentence of unimproved biology.

So, yes, compassion underpins what we do. You may not agree with the results, but it would be incorrect to claim that it isn't there.

unless they reside in the Gall/Cal CEWPA warzone, you mean?

Bounty Listing

Only five hundred million? Chump change, Quinzel. If you feel so strongly, in fact, why don't you come out here and fight me yourself, you bitter shrew?

My own experiments with the CONCORD bounty system have proven it's uselessness.

Did Uncle Kuvakei touch you in your special place as a child?

Alright, CONCORD is also set up to do some good too so first off lets not compare all the bad of one side with all the good of another. The Empires think us DUST projects are crazy, not stupid.

Second, those charitable initiatives also help your Nation as well either in the fact of defeating death or at least looking like you are helping while forcing others to join against their will. No matter how much good you do, or think you are doing it is kind of hard to get past that little fact.

Second, Yes CONCORD can be full of crap but the underlying principle is needed because those small little orbital strikes would be a lot bigger without them. I've seen those strikes; they just punch a hole through a few buildings. It really isn't that serious.

It's a pool of six hundred million if you read.

You weren't worth any more, so yes, it's chump change.

No, you missed my point.

Those small little orbital strikes would not be taking place, if CONCORD were not in place, because there would be no such thing as a "free capsuleer" in order to launch them. Ideally, there would not be capsuleers at all.

The harm that CONCORD has inflicted is not balanced by the few attempts at mitigating the damage. We therefore consider it a moral imperative to remove CONCORD and replace it with a structure that will actually take the steps necessary to make sure that no damage is inflicted in the first place. It is unfortunate that violence is necessary to achieve this, but the past actions of the CONCORD signatories have proven to us, as a Nation, that there is no other way to achieve this end.

We regret the need for violence, and work to minimize the damage we cause to individuals by taking the time, where ever possible, to rescue any and all survivors. It is very rare that the crew of a ship is at fault for the excesses of their immortal captains, and unfortunately they are the only real victims in all of this mess.

If it wasn't done by a capusleer there are plenty of other people that can fly a ship into war. Unfortunatly people will fight as long as there is something to gain, one can only minimalize the chances of it happening or the conflict. I am sure there is even in-fighting within your network and the greater whole over how to best serve Sansha when he just wants to be left alone. I'm sure all those people in his head would get quite annoying after awhile.

It is quite clear that further discourse with Mister Ixiris will result in further petulance and rabid quips rather than anything of sustenance. Might I suggest that everyone leave him to his flailing and continue along civil discourse?

Ah, but see, as Ms. Nukiwhatever's actions clearly show: love me or hate me, it's pretty hard to just ignore me.

It's a pool of six hundred million if you read.

You weren't worth any more, so yes, it's chump change.




Hence why I avoid it.

It is quite clear that further discourse with Mister Ixiris will result in further petulance and rabid quips rather than anything of sustenance. Might I suggest that everyone leave him to his flailing and continue along civil discourse?

Scherezad, he is trying to indicate one of two things. Either he believes that you are "slow" or "dim-witted" (Cows are, traditionally, not particularly intelligent animals), or that you get through life on the power of your breasts.

Either way, he has proven that he is not capable of dealing with you in good faith.

Although I find it distasteful the man has you there. You want him, go get him.

Being podded several times and embarrassed by a rival publicly is generally the shortest route to change capsuleer opinions and actions.

They are not capsuleers. They do not enjoy our particular advantage when it comes to causing death and destruction. They issue commands by voicing them, do not calibrate their sensors automatically, do not fire with a thought, cannot react to changing situations as well, and above all things must operate as a group entity, which prevents the random vagaries of madness to which capsuleers are prone.

On a non-capsuleer ship, if the crew refuses to follow an order, the action does not take place. On a capsuleer ship, if the crew refuses to follow an order, the action still happens, just a tad slower, and then the crew may be flushed into space as a punishment, because their captain was slightly annoyed with them.

Oh, I see, thank you. I won't argue the first point - I can be very slow-witted. I don't think I've ever used my physical attributes to get anything, though. I thought that the Gallente approved of the female form?

Oh, I see, thank you. I won't argue the first point - I can be very slow-witted. I don't think I've ever used my physical attributes to get anything, though. I thought that the Gallente approved of the female form?

And this is also why people should know what they are getting into rather than going on a capsuleer's ship all willy-nilly; its a very scientific term I'm sure you understand. Still, you do have a point on the random madness which can happen to capsuleers but I still think a majority of them are good and decent; just a bit...short in conversation and not the brightest lightbulb in the house.

Instead of killing every capsuleer by using capsuleer ships yourselves, would it be better to to target those with un-usual aggressive ticks instead of a blanket approach? Its usually better to cut the tumor out or attack it directly than to punish the whole body.

Getting killed is an occupational hazard...[/i].

All of these points of confusion have been answered in the notice's preliminary post and the post you quoted.

Yes, it is chump change. I was posting much larger bounties months earlier in my career. And I'm guessing you enrolled in the Militia with what, about 10B in savings and thus assume that most pilots who enrolled within the last year are somehow not able to levy such 'massive' amounts of economic power?

See, the point we disagree on is that we, in all the places we have lived throughout the cluster, have noticed that the vast majority of capsuleers fit into the "completely batshit insane" camp.

The ones who we find who are not we cherish and nurture, if they are independent. If they belong to a supporter of the CONCORD signatories, we still shoot at them, but we do it with respect.

Otherwise, it is a little like putting down a mad animal, except we can't actually get rid of the mad animal. We have to rely upon pavlovian conditioning instead.

Huh, interesting. I don't believe it with the incursions and such happening; but an interesting point of view on 'respect.' Interesting doesn't mean I put much stock in it however.

I know for a fact that the money you've set aside because you're throwing a teary over my behaviour was not a small investment. Clearly I matter to you.

A small addendum to my above post: My Colleague Zanzibar has pointed out to me that MyNipples was merely someone we saw in Placid. The person we have collected the biomass of was "Mistress TittyTwister".

I think my point still stands.

I am not sure what there is not to believe, to be honest.

We treat enemies that have proven that they are our enemies simply because of ideological differences with respect. After all, they merely believe differently than we do, that doesn't necessarily make them stupid, or crazy.

However, when we blew up the capsuleer who had, affectionately, named himself "MyNipples", we felt no particular need to afford that capsuleer respect, nor do we feel the need to respect an organization which took one look at his pilot license application and approved it, without questioning about whether that particular capsuleer was... perpared... for the responsibility to use his newfound power in a way that was, at the very least, structured.

And the Empires think the DUST people are the crazy ones.

And the Empires think the DUST people are the crazy ones.

You are crazy, Kallo.

That's enough out of you, and Sir I might understand but not agree with.

That's fine. Your understanding in part, but not your agreement, is what leads you to being placed in one classification or another.

Great, just what I need; more people shooting down at me.

What you see is a (remarkably poor, now that I mention it) facade meant to give the impression of speaking to a human, but it's barely even as convincing as Synthetic Cultist

"MyNipples"

To be perfectly fair, Tiberious, picking a callsign such as the above could be part of a strategy (albeit a juvenile one) to avoid getting called primary often. I have no idea whether it would actually work, mind.

Your overall point stands, of course.

Fleet controllers do have a habit of primarying whoever's name is first or last on their overview.

Perhaps I should have used a pseudonym?

Yes there are those who'd want to see the Federation wiped from existence, and those who deny these people exist under their very noses. But to defend against them by reacting in turn and indiscriminately targeting entire groups just to pick out a few bad eggs, or as you put it to become "the monster", would destroy the Federation in a way far more effective than these verbal blowhards can ever hope to attain.

There have been a couple of dark moments in her history, where the Federation has turned into a machine of outright violence, hatred and malice, it's been effective if not near unstoppable, but at the cost of the ethics and ideals that makes the Federation exist in the first place. Such events are always marred by tragedy, sadly ones that have to be large enough to knock the populace out of their bloodlust and realise what they had surrendered in exchange for "guarenteed safety."

Yes, the Federation could churn out the war machine, let the right wing U-Nats take charge and systematically cleanse system after system under the guise of safety and preventative measures, but the moment they do, they stop being the Federation, or at least the spirit dies, the name might still exist but it will be a far cry from the noble purposes she was created for.

So no, genocide against one of the other three Empires is never an option, at least not for the Federation.

So no, genocide against one of the other three Empires is never an option, at least not for the Federation.

Oh now the Federation is against Genocide. Great timing.

Oh now the Federation is against Genocide. Great timing.

This did not happen, because the State actually evacuated its citizens when it realised that the planet could not be held. Clearly, it was more politically advantageous for the Federation to leave their citizens in harm's way.

This is an invasion of Home, plain and simple.

When the stated purpose of an entity is the domination (and subsequent 'unification') of all mankind under a single banner heralded by a singular vision of utopia, up to and including the use of force, mental reprogramming and subversion it is not genocide to annihilate that entity, it is self preservation.

All major nations at the time set aside their differences because of this recognized threat to our continued existence as individuals and nations, you really don't have a case.

Besides, Sansha's Nation is really more of a cult of personality than a formal sovereign entity.

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Gallente Mercenaries fighting against Caldari soldiers on Home.

How can anyone still doubt that this is not an "uprising" by the locals, but an outright act of war, funded and quite possibly carried out by Federal intelligence forces.

The Gallente outrage when a CalNav fleet pursued a fleet of dangerous fugitives a few AU across the border rings painfully hollow now.

Also, its pretty clear the enemy is building underwater prisons because they wish to conduct Nouvelle Rouvenor on a mass scale. Also to name them prisons is dubious, these are death camps plain and simple.

The crimes and cowardice of the Caldari will change how the Federation deals with the State for the rest of time. If the Caldari are willing to treat our citizens in such a manner, we'll have carte blanche to treat their citizens the same way.

They will regret this.

If gallente scum can not leave peacefully on our worlds, they should be rooted out with fire.
Hereby I humble request our troops to show no mercy to these terrorists and murderers.
Do not take prisoners, since they won't be able to live in peace anyway.
If they can't pay respect to rightful owners of the planet, they must pay with their blood.

Funny how people tend to forget that before Nation was attacked, it did not attack the Empires. It was a legitimate legal entity in legally obtained territory. Or have your history books been altered too much to let you know the truth of the matter.

Huh.

Seem to be missing a name there.

Yeah well, **** your punctuation marks.

I meant Mekhana, dummy.