EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3

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Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.24 11:51:00 - [1] Originally by: Jim Raynor People that can't see the Thorax is clearly imbalanced **** compared to the rest of T1 cruisers are simply blind. Or flying one themselves Spacerats recruiting!
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2005.08.24 11:51:00 - [2] Originally by: Jim Raynor People that can't see the Thorax is clearly imbalanced **** compared to the rest of T1 cruisers are simply blind. Or flying one themselves
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.24 12:15:00 - [3] Originally by: HUGO DRAX Lets see, Heavy NOS = dead rax Cruise Missles = dead rax ECM = dead rax stay 20KM away from one. etc.. Think. Yeah you think... heavy nos on a cruiser? cruise missiles on a cruiser? Ow wait, that's on a battleship! How is that relevant when we are discussion how the rax is overpowered compared to other cruisers? Spacerats recruiting!
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2005.08.24 12:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Tobiaz on 24/08/2005 13:52:34 Originally by: HUGO DRAX Lets see, Heavy NOS = dead rax Cruise Missles = dead rax ECM = dead rax stay 20KM away from one. etc.. Think. Yeah you think... heavy nos on a cruiser? cruise missiles on a cruiser? Ow wait, that's on a battleship! How is that relevant when we are discussion how the rax is overpowered compared to other cruisers? Also that ECM part is utter nonsence. Good luck trying to down a rax with a BB when even a Scorp will have to pay attention and better has a nos fitted against a platerax.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.24 13:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Tobiaz on 24/08/2005 13:43:40 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Naughty Boy Telling that the thorax is fine because it his how ccp designed it is a blatant provocation as we all know that only *****ing made ccp revert the change they made (halving the drone bay for balance's sake). Halving the drone bay will not fix any balance issues. Plain and simple. If any "nerf" needs to take place, it's the ability of a cruiser to mount battleship sized armor with no penalty. Try this out some time: have an un-plated thorax run at you on mwd from, say, 30km away. Open up with your moa. See what happens. Only a VERY bad rax pilot would lose his ship to this. Also, this is only one scenario, and simply putting one ship against one other is no good measure of one being actually stronger or overpowered for that matter. The rax is overpowered because it can fight and easily win way more scenarios then any other ship and that with only one setup. Put it in situations against multiple frigates, cruisers ,inties, af, HAC's, BC, jammers, long range, short range, drones, smartbombers, etc. You'll likely see it outperforms all other cruisers by far. It will even likely outperform HACs and BS in many situations where the other cruisers will not. My brother flies one and I as a Caldari would not even survive half of what he can pull off and that with only one setup. He can fight and win from multiple frigates to BC, while still being able to easily get out if necessary because of the insane tank and MWD combo. IRL having one ship that performs so well in so many situations would be nice, in a game it's unbalanced. People trying to deny it either are flying one, or have never flew in PvP against one while themselves not in something REALLY stronger like a Raven, Deimos or something else costing 10 times more. (or they are just ignorant trolls ). - 200m3 dronebay with 150-200 DPS potential - very good tank (even without plate) - additional high DPS with blasters - enough medslots for effective PvP & MWD - decent at small long range encounters (MWD bonus & drones) - can fight while nossed or jammed. And while there might be ships that might be better tanks, better at long range, or have more medslots, it's the fact this ship has the whole package what makes it so overpowered. Also on the plate issue: that causes inbalance between classes and the 'haves' and 'havenots'. NOT between the rax and the other cruisers. So let's keep that for another thread. Spacerats recruiting!
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2005.08.24 13:39:00 - [6] Edited by: Tobiaz on 24/08/2005 13:43:40 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Naughty Boy Telling that the thorax is fine because it his how ccp designed it is a blatant provocation as we all know that only *****ing made ccp revert the change they made (halving the drone bay for balance's sake). Halving the drone bay will not fix any balance issues. Plain and simple. If any "nerf" needs to take place, it's the ability of a cruiser to mount battleship sized armor with no penalty. Try this out some time: have an un-plated thorax run at you on mwd from, say, 30km away. Open up with your moa. See what happens. Only a VERY bad rax pilot would lose his ship to this. Also, this is only one scenario, and simply putting one ship against one other is no good measure of one being actually stronger or overpowered for that matter. The rax is overpowered because it can fight and easily win way more scenarios then any other ship and that with only one setup. Put it in situations against multiple frigates, cruisers ,inties, af, HAC's, BC, jammers, long range, short range, drones, smartbombers, etc. You'll likely see it outperforms all other cruisers by far. It will even likely outperform HACs and BS in many situations where the other cruisers will not. My brother flies one and I as a Caldari would not even survive half of what he can pull off and that with only one setup. He can fight and win from multiple frigates to BC, while still being able to easily get out if necessary because of the insane tank and MWD combo. IRL having one ship that performs so well in so many situations would be nice, in a game it's unbalanced. People trying to deny it either are flying one, or have never flew in PvP against one while themselves not in something REALLY stronger like a Raven, Deimos or something else costing 10 times more. (or they are just ignorant trolls ). - 200m3 dronebay with 150-200 DPS potential - very good tank (even without plate) - additional high DPS with blasters - enough medslots for effective PvP & MWD - decent at small long range encounters (MWD bonus & drones) - can fight while nossed or jammed. And while there might be ships that might be better tanks, better at long range, or have more medslots, it's the fact this ship has the whole package what makes it so overpowered. Also on the plate issue: that causes inbalance between classes and the 'haves' and 'havenots'. NOT between the rax and the other cruisers. So let's keep that for another thread.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.24 14:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Tobiaz on 24/08/2005 14:03:27 Originally by: Nyxus THE SOLUTIONÖ Reduce Thorax Dronebay to Deimos Size add 3300 armor to non-caldari cruisers Add equivalent shield to Caldari Cruisers Add Mass to Plating equivalent to sizing Look ma I fixed all the problems at once! Cruisers viable! Thorax balanced! Plated ceptor stupidity fixed! World poverty abolished! Well....it fixes most of the problems. Quote the The SolutionÖ and sign to show your support! I like it! Though an additional boost of say 50 percent of what normally is the maximum fitted plate/extender for all other classes to keep it in line with the cruisers. Maybe a bit more for the Caldari. There is the needed HP boost, right there! The added mass (and the resulting effect on agility and AB and MWD is a nice find imho). Maybe give the Brutix 200m3 drones or even 250M3 for that matter (without dronecontrol bonus), since that's a piece of crap right now. Spacerats recruiting!
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2005.08.24 14:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Tobiaz on 24/08/2005 14:03:27 Originally by: Nyxus THE SOLUTIONÖ Reduce Thorax Dronebay to Deimos Size add 3300 armor to non-caldari cruisers Add equivalent shield to Caldari Cruisers Add Mass to Plating equivalent to sizing Look ma I fixed all the problems at once! Cruisers viable! Thorax balanced! Plated ceptor stupidity fixed! World poverty abolished! Well....it fixes most of the problems. Quote the The SolutionÖ and sign to show your support! I like it! Though an additional boost of say 50 percent of what normally is the maximum fitted plate/extender for all other classes to keep it in line with the cruisers. Maybe a bit more for the Caldari. There is the needed HP boost, right there! The added mass (and the resulting effect on agility and AB and MWD is a nice find imho). Maybe give the Brutix 200m3 drones or even 250M3 for that matter (without dronecontrol bonus), since that's a piece of crap right now.

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