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Hannah Flex
laissez-faire economics
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:21:00 -
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So, somebody stole, awoxed, or RMT'd four titans. Anyone care to confess?
http://themittani.com/news/four-c0ven-titans-disappear-stolen-ncdot |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9380
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:29:00 -
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Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me 
But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:55:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me  But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels 
Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods. If RMT happens it happens, and the authorities can't really do anything about it to begin with. It's a very gray area; I believe China wanted to enact laws preventing real-life currency from being used for in-game currency, but then people realized that a very stringent reading of the law meant you couldn't even pay for your game subscription.
Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9382
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:20:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Oh noes! The polish authorities are going to get me  But then they'll read the EULA and learn that everything in Eve is the property of CCP and they really don't give a crap about those pixels  Doesn't matter what the EULA reads. It's virtual currency and virtual goods.
Of which you don't have any rights of ownership to because you clicked the "I agree" button. "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:47:00 -
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It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.
As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP. |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2013.03.17 07:02:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.
As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP.
Can you please cite the relevant law for this? "Considered" is not the same as "the law states". |

Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
87
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Posted - 2013.03.17 07:02:00 -
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Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad. |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2013.03.17 07:15:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.
I'm telling you, the influx of bads has left me with no shortage of tears, but also no shortage of headaches because they quote some obscure law (or in the case of the majority of this thread) pull **** out of their ass. When quoting that obscure law, they look at it from one angle: the angle that pertains to their statement even if that's not what it is. So I come in, tell them to provide the law, and what do you know? It's not provided, or they say, "Well I know it exists".
I just come in here to troll the internet lawyers, pretty much.
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vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
65
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:12:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:It has been considered that virtual goods should be treated in much the same way as real goods, because after all, you have paid real money for it.
As for 4 titans getting blown up / stolen, tough ****, shouldn't have given out the toons details to anyone should they. I recall this practice is against the rules and should be laughed at by CCP.
Yes but you have no ownership over these items as they all belong to CCP. This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |

Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
251
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:44:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with.
The closest I can recall was in runescape where 2 teenagers where arrested for stealing goods in a game. The whole gaming community freaked out until it was revealed that they had come with a laptop and at knife point forced another kid to log into the game and hand over all his in game things.
The thing to remember is that no authority will start an investigation on something that happened only in game. They cannot petition CCP for the IP address of the offender without an actual crime and even then it's going to be hard to do across national borders.
If the police does indeed start working on a matter then it's very likely that there was a real life connection between the perpetrator and the victim that is yet to be revealed.
As for the article. Pointless boasting.
The stealing of the ships mean nothing but sharing the accounts of the titan pilots accounts and misuse of other people's accounts is a different matter. They won't get the titans back though. We miss you Saede. |

Fret Thiesant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:06:00 -
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Pretty much what the post above poster said
Or
If you create malignant software and try to distribute it.
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Strepor
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:37:00 -
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I stole the Titans and will return them for the bargin price of 30 billion isk per hull. |

Haulie Berry
284
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:20:00 -
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I doubt anyone would care about the stolen titans, but (judging by the story) the way they were stolen could definitely put them on the wrong side of the law. I'm not familiar with Polish statutes but in the US, logging into an account without authorization like that could easily put someone on the wrong side of the computer fraud and abuse act.
...Still pretty funny, though. |

Xayder
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:48:00 -
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nope it wasnt me this time I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main |

Orlacc
326
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:21:00 -
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Stealing an IP is bad. Stealing pixels is not. Quit citing laws that don't exist. "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |

Strepor
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:12:00 -
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Even if you could make a theoretical legal argument for this being a crime the police wouldn't care nore should they. They have most importent crimes then the theft of internet space boats. |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:31:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Also, I'd like to see this story he makes a claim of where someone was arrested and convicted for stealing in-game items from another player in WoW. I'd like to see what he was allegedly charged with. The closest I can recall was in runescape where 2 teenagers where arrested for stealing goods in a game. The whole gaming community freaked out until it was revealed that they had come with a laptop and at knife point forced another kid to log into the game and hand over all his in game things. The thing to remember is that no authority will start an investigation on something that happened only in game. They cannot petition CCP for the IP address of the offender without an actual crime and even then it's going to be hard to do across national borders. If the police does indeed start working on a matter then it's very likely that there was a real life connection between the perpetrator and the victim that is yet to be revealed. As for the article. Pointless boasting. The stealing of the ships mean nothing but sharing the accounts of the titan pilots accounts and misuse of other people's accounts is a different matter. They won't get the titans back though.
In which case you have assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping, maybe something to do with computer crimes. But overall, nothing will do with t he game itself, or the theft of in-game items.
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Skorpynekomimi
478
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Posted - 2013.03.17 21:52:00 -
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The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons. |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:09:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons.
Assuming one exists, I agree. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a well-done corp heist by a director. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:15:00 -
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What a joke... if someone *IS* lame enough to report a video game "theft" of digital pixels in a game where "theft" of video game pixels is not only allowed according to EULA but ENCOURGED, I seriously hope two things happen:
1) the authorities punch the reporting person in the mouth, and 2) charge the reporting person with wasting time and money of the officials.
I think I've seen it all now.
Oh, and PS: anyone care to bet whether REAL NATIONAL CURRENCY was used to pay for those digital pixels? Just another "well, PLEX *is* money!" boolshite???
What a friggin' joke. But then, it is the website of the disgraced lawyer, so... Grain of salt, and all that. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1211
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:19:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:The real question is the violation of EULA that allowed someone to log into the holding toons. Assuming one exists, I agree. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a well-done corp heist by a director.
Or a payment/payoff for something with a chance for some press from someone like EveNews or the disgraced lawyer. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Demolishar
United Aggression
836
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:26:00 -
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I'd just like to point out that there's a page in Account Management called "Activity Log" which shows the time, date and IP of every instance of the account being logged in. So that's how they got the login stats (assuming the COVEN story to be true!)
https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx |

Josina Higgs
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
3
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:55:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:I'd just like to point out that there's a page in Account Management called "Activity Log" which shows the time, date and IP of every instance of the account being logged in. So that's how they got the login stats (assuming the COVEN story to be true!) https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx Doesn't that just mean they were account sharing, which is against the EULA? So not only has the dude lost 4 titans, AND made himself look stupid by threatening to get the police involved, AND petitionining to get them back to CCP, he may also now get banned?
Lol. |

Strepor
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.03.17 22:59:00 -
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Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army. |

Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1746
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Posted - 2013.03.17 23:04:00 -
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Strepor wrote:Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army.
That's just too pathetic to be true -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1026
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Posted - 2013.03.18 00:26:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad. A whole new low for PansyBears.
Gank 'em if they can't take a joke.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1026
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Posted - 2013.03.18 00:34:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:I doubt anyone would care about the stolen titans, but (judging by the story) the way they were stolen could definitely put them on the wrong side of the law. I'm not familiar with Polish statutes but in the US, logging into an account without authorization like that could easily put someone on the wrong side of the computer fraud and abuse act.
Nope.
Because no one logged into anyone else's account - Read the whole article. An insider granted access to the POS; the titans were just sitting there, pilotless. All perfectly within the rules and laws.
Excellent. 
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
226
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:06:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Strepor wrote:Ths kinda reminds me of that thread where a guy got ganked while doing a courior contract through low sec using bought isk(PLEX) as collateral and claimed to have reported it to the police and his commanding officer in the Army. That's just too pathetic to be true
Probably Kai86. |

Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:12:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:Reporting Titan theft to the cops...and I thought whining to CCP was bad.
I could only imagine how to explain that ....... Think the cops would give a big htfugtfo ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9440
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:23:00 -
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I just thought of something... what about the great Eve bank heist that netted about 750b isk?
Was someone executed for that crime? I mean theft of a virtual country and their entire military?  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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