| Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mal-Ak Lah
Eternal Aeon
0
   |
Posted - 2013.03.17 14:27:00 -
[1] - Quote
So Im pretty new to eve, relatively ofcourse. Ive played the game for about 3-4 months.
Ive got a Retriever, I have two modulated strip miner II and Veldspar mining crystals fitted to it.
Now my stack of Veldspar is growing and growing. Thing is, I dont know what the most profitable selling strategy would be?
What should I do with the Veldspar to get the maximum profit from it? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1278
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 14:54:00 -
[2] - Quote
amount of ore * price you'd get for ore = A
minerals you'd get from ore * price you'd get for minerals = B
if A > B, sell ore else sell minerals
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
|
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
26
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 15:01:00 -
[3] - Quote
Since you use t2 strips you should have decent refining skills. You can max out Refining and train like 2-3 levels of Refinery Efficiency to get 100%
Next thing you need to check that you have good standings with the station you operate from so you can refine your ore with low tax, 0 tax is at 6.67 corp standings.
Refined ores are also usually (always?) smaller than the basic ores so it makes hauling easier too, then just move the load to tradehub and sell them.
|
Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
301
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 16:02:00 -
[4] - Quote
Termy Rockling is 100% correct.
Though one thing you may want to consider is finding someone in your corp who wants to buy the un-processed ores, which shouldn't be a problem in most corps.
Selling to a corp mate means you can sell the ore while waiting on the NPC corp standing grinding and skill training.
I would say offer to sell the ores at the price of Jita buy order price on Trit (not the ore), which will save them a descent amount of isk and help you get rid of your stock pile.
Oh, and unrelated but important; you should look into the 15 - 20 hours of training time to use scordite T2 or Pyro T2 mining crystals since both of these ores are much more valuable then veldspar. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3695
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 16:28:00 -
[5] - Quote
Styth spiting wrote:
Oh, and unrelated but important; you should look into the 15 - 20 hours of training time to use scordite T2 or Pyro T2 mining crystals since both of these ores are much more valuable then veldspar.
....and Kernite if you happen to be in Amarr.
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Brown Nose Jersey
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 17:26:00 -
[6] - Quote
I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
27
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 17:49:00 -
[7] - Quote
Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold.
You'll just "misplace" all but 1 tritanium?  |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
301
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 17:52:00 -
[8] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:
Oh, and unrelated but important; you should look into the 15 - 20 hours of training time to use scordite T2 or Pyro T2 mining crystals since both of these ores are much more valuable then veldspar.
....and Kernite if you happen to be in Amarr.
Yeah but that takes an additional 4 - 5 days training time because of the refining V requirement. Sure he'll need it when he starts refining his own ores, but for now he is better off training for T2 scordige (216 isk/m3) over kernite (201 isk/m3). |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1220
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 18:00:00 -
[9] - Quote
If you want large volumes of materials shipped, take a look at red frog freight, or Push Industries. (Or just public courier contracts).
If you size the collateral appropriately, you have no risk with things being moved.
If you do decide to sell it yourself, don't do it in small quantities. A serious manufacturer will pay a small premium (0.01 on the isk easily, maybe up to 0.05) on the lowest regional price, if they can get all the trit from a single location (due to reduced collection times)
And remember, you don't need the lowest price in the region to sell. Just the station. (as long as it's not ridiculous)
Steve Ronuken for CSM 8
Handy tools and SDE conversions
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Brown Nose Jersey
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 18:27:00 -
[10] - Quote
Termy Rockling wrote:Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold. You'll just "misplace" all but 1 tritanium?
Not everyone is like that.
I just enjoy giving a hand to freshman pilots from time to time. It gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, guess I'm just a sick puppy. |
|
|
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3696
|
Posted - 2013.03.17 18:52:00 -
[11] - Quote
Styth spiting wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:
Oh, and unrelated but important; you should look into the 15 - 20 hours of training time to use scordite T2 or Pyro T2 mining crystals since both of these ores are much more valuable then veldspar.
....and Kernite if you happen to be in Amarr. Yeah but that takes an additional 4 - 5 days training time because of the refining V requirement. Sure he'll need it when he starts refining his own ores, but for now he is better off training for T2 scordige (216 isk/m3) over kernite (201 isk/m3).
Styth are you seriously making a big deal of 5 days Training ?
Gotta laugh as I'm in the middle of Freighter V (36 days).
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
NightSong Directorate
301
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 07:27:00 -
[12] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:
Oh, and unrelated but important; you should look into the 15 - 20 hours of training time to use scordite T2 or Pyro T2 mining crystals since both of these ores are much more valuable then veldspar.
....and Kernite if you happen to be in Amarr. Yeah but that takes an additional 4 - 5 days training time because of the refining V requirement. Sure he'll need it when he starts refining his own ores, but for now he is better off training for T2 scordige (216 isk/m3) over kernite (201 isk/m3). Styth are you seriously making a big deal of 5 days Training ? Gotta laugh as I'm in the middle of Freighter V (36 days).
I wasn't aware I was making a big deal out of anything I'm simply pointing out a much better skill training plan to help the guy increase his isk/hour mining. That extra 4 days could get him into a battlecruiser which he will need to start running missions for standing grinding, And since it will take 1 - 3 weeks to grind the standings he will have plenty of time to train refining once he nears the end of the standing grind.
But yes you're right, it makes much more sense to mine veldspar for 4 - 5 days while training kernite processing and then 20 hours training scordite processing at which time he will be mining scordite (and not kernite at all) because of its higher value over kernite.
|
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3700
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 09:28:00 -
[13] - Quote
Styth spiting wrote:
But yes you're right, it makes much more sense to mine veldspar for 4 - 5 days while training kernite processing and then 20 hours training scordite processing at which time he will be mining scordite (and not kernite at all) because of its higher value over kernite.
How do you know he won't mine Kernite, EVER ?
You sure are making bold, even psychic, assumptions.
Also, it's not worth that much less. At all. Omber, yes indeed.
All Veldspar, all the time, sounds like a special kind of hell (I have no idea how Chribba can stand it).
Edit: Also, Veldspar is worth considerably less than Kernite, btw: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore Veld:170.....Kern: 200 per equivalent m3.
So, you lie.
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
329
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 09:44:00 -
[14] - Quote
Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold.
What if the ore is in a station with a substandard refinery? A base 30%/32%/35% one?
|
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3700
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 11:09:00 -
[15] - Quote
Salpad wrote:Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold. What if the ore is in a station with a substandard refinery? A base 30%/32%/35% one?
Move it to another better one.
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
329
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 12:51:00 -
[16] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Salpad wrote:Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold. What if the ore is in a station with a substandard refinery? A base 30%/32%/35% one? Move it to another better one.
If there's a lot of ore, that'll require multiple trips.
|
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1250
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 13:19:00 -
[17] - Quote
Salpad wrote:
If there's a lot of ore, that'll require multiple trips.
or a bigger ship, or Red Frog.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Brown Nose Jersey
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 14:36:00 -
[18] - Quote
Salpad wrote:Brown Nose Jersey wrote:I will help you with your ore. Send me a mail or post here about your interest. I will refine your ore perfectly and haul it to a station you want it sold. What if the ore is in a station with a substandard refinery? A base 30%/32%/35% one?
If a freighter will not suffice for 1 trip I'll use 2 or more. I own several. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
510
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 15:12:00 -
[19] - Quote
Mal-Ak Lah wrote:So Im pretty new to eve, relatively ofcourse. Ive played the game for about 3-4 months.
Ive got a Retriever, I have two modulated strip miner II and Veldspar mining crystals fitted to it.
Now my stack of Veldspar is growing and growing. Thing is, I dont know what the most profitable selling strategy would be?
What should I do with the Veldspar to get the maximum profit from it?
perfect refine is fairly easy to obtain. the only dificult part is getting standings with the corp that owns the station where you refine.
you need;
- a station with a 50% refinery
-refining 5 refining efficiency 3-4
- veldspar processing 3-4
- 6.3 or higher standings with the corp that owns the station.
Ignore the refining yield quoted at the top of the window. That does not account for ore specific skills. When getting your refining quote look at the unrecoverable and we take columns. if these are both zero you are getting 100% refine. If you are getting 100% refine there are very few instances where you will not be making max profits.
The only consistent way to sell ore for more than the mineral value with 100% refine is to sell in systems with research agents that give missions requesting that ore/mineral. But this will not be high enough volume to make any significant income. You will often see sell orders for ore at prices above there mineral value, but never a buy order, unless someone made a mistake or prices fluctuated after the order was posted. If you find one of these orders you are a licky SOB. There are traders who spend most of there day looking for these.
With a 100% refine you can make profit just by buying ore off the market and selling the refined minerals. refining ore you have mined is always worth while is you can get 100% refine. For example a batch off 333 veldspar will give you 1000 tritanium at 100% refine. However if your refining skills leave you with 95% or less you may be able to sell the raw ore for more than you could get for the minerals due to the refining loss. For example refining veldspar at 95% will leave you with only 950 tritanium per batch. 50 unitsw lost per batch. Not a lot but it adds up fast when doing 100s or 1000s of batches at once. For example a max cargo ORCA will hold about 175,000m3 of ore. thats 1,750,000 units of veldspar or about 5255 batches resulting in over 260,000 units of lost tritanium.
|
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1253
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 15:20:00 -
[20] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:- 6.3 or higher standings with the corp that owns the station.
Unless they've changed the standings bit recently, it's 6.66 or 6.67 for "no tax refining"
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcanis for CSM8 |
|
|
Brown Nose Jersey
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2013.03.18 15:57:00 -
[21] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:- 6.3 or higher standings with the corp that owns the station.
Unless they've changed the standings bit recently, it's 6.66 or 6.67 for "no tax refining"
6.7 for certainty.
|
Hae Sung
Da Learnin Corp
24
|
Posted - 2013.03.20 00:57:00 -
[22] - Quote
Mal-Ak Lah wrote:So Im pretty new to eve, relatively ofcourse. Ive played the game for about 3-4 months.
Ive got a Retriever, I have two modulated strip miner II and Veldspar mining crystals fitted to it.
Now my stack of Veldspar is growing and growing. Thing is, I dont know what the most profitable selling strategy would be?
What should I do with the Veldspar to get the maximum profit from it?
I think the various selling strategies have been fairly well covered so far. Have you looked into turning the Veldspar into minerals and actually making stuff out of it?
High turnover consumables don't make a ton of isk/hour to produce but can have fairly high margins (40-50% on some ammunition with proper skills and a researched blueprint). Since the people that will eventually be buying your ore will just be turning it into things that they will sell and make a profit on, if you have the skills available you can just as easily do this and reap the rewards yourself.
Extra bonus if you realize that you could just as easily buy the minerals yourself and skip the mining step, but that's a topic for another thread. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3712
|
Posted - 2013.03.20 02:03:00 -
[23] - Quote
Hae Sung wrote:
Extra bonus if you realize that you could just as easily buy the minerals yourself and skip the mining step, but that's a topic for another thread.
But if everyone did that, then there eventually would be no mining, therefore no minerals, and all things will be unaffordable, blah, blah, blah.......
I see what you did there.
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
30
|
Posted - 2013.03.20 03:08:00 -
[24] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hae Sung wrote:
Extra bonus if you realize that you could just as easily buy the minerals yourself and skip the mining step, but that's a topic for another thread.
But if everyone did that, then there eventually would be no mining, therefore no minerals, and all things will be unaffordable, blah, blah, blah....... I see what you did there.
And when prices start to rise more and more people go drill the floating rocky chunks of ISK  |
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |