A player who wants to RMT goes to a friend who does not play eve and says:

"Could you start a character in Eve, buy a pile of ISK via RMT, then sell me the character?"

How would CCP stop that from happening, other than swinging the ban hammer even after the character has been sold?

Edit: Ill answer my own question: Ban the person who did the RMT and remove the ISK. That way the receiver of the character gets zero benefit from the transaction.

Your idea is terribly unfair to players who sell their characters for ISK and end up getting screwed out of billions because the other guy paid for the character with botted or RMTed ISK. Unless, of course, CCP reverses the character transfer as well, but that'd probably be a gross violation of CCP's confidentiality policies.

I understand your concern. We'll address that concern in more detail in the possibly near future when it's relevant :)

Will you also address the concern I voiced on the previous page, namely the one where instances of innocent players being wrongfully banned was basically swept under the rug and ignored until loudly and publicly called on it? Because that past action makes Vera's concerns all the more troublesome.

EDIT: On a different note, with Sreegs gone, who will tend to the Edge of Glory?

mynnna

I was always under the impression that if a player was banned for botting, and the character in question had just been purchased legitimately, a deeper investigation would be initiated at the players request... and if necessary the ban would be reversed AFTER the investigatioin was concluded.

So are you saying this didn't happen and that further investigation was refused until a stink was made?
Or is this a case of the investigation was under way and just didn't get concluded until after loud rumblings were made?

The former is a problem that needs to be worked on, the latter is simply taking credit for something that would have eventually happened anyway.

Discussing individual cases is not something we do. In the cases where we make a mistake, we do our best to correct that and make sure to compensate the player for time lost. It's really that simple.

[re: TS/Mumble overlays, fraps]
I understand your concern. We'll address that concern in more detail in the possibly near future when it's relevant :)

First off thank you all, and very well done for all the effort that CCP is putting into banning bots. I rabidly despise cheating in all multi player games and I fully support any and all efforts to eradicate it.

Secondly I have a question.

How does someone bot without client modification?
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I use this individual case in question only because I'm familiar with it. While you guys do not (rightly so) share details, the player in question was. But in the broader sense, I have a sneaking suspicion that other similar cases exist, and that they're just as often ignored. A real good step towards correcting this sort of problem would be, if a preliminary investigation shows that hey maybe they are innocent, to actually tell them that their case is being looked at, instead of taking what appears to be the preferred route of "ignore them and hope they go away." Unless, that is, the goal actually is to lose customers and generate some bad PR, in which case carry on!

mynnna

I was always under the impression that if a player was banned for botting, and the character in question had just been purchased legitimately, a deeper investigation would be initiated at the players request... and if necessary the ban would be reversed AFTER the investigatioin was concluded.

So are you saying this didn't happen and that further investigation was refused until a stink was made?

Or is this a case of the investigation was under way and just didn't get concluded until after loud rumblings were made?
The former is a problem that needs to be worked on, the latter is simply taking credit for something that would have eventually happened anyway.

To some degree, it does. But in some ways, it also doesn't. But do you really think we want to ban people using fraps or mumble/teamspeak? That'd be silly

Another issue I want to quickly mention is your policy on ISBoxer. ISBoxer used to be "approved", but it's not anymore.

Just a thought but banning just the account for 30 days is not going to hurt a botter with multiple accounts.

Might I suggest a ban on the IP used also for 24 hrs to make the point clear that botting is not acceptable. This will do more then just effect their botted account but any other account coming from that IP.
Yes I understand that it might adversely effect players in the same household who are not botting but an IP block might help to put on the added per pressure that its not OK to bot.

How many times does CCP have to say "our stance on this has not changed" before you get that it hasn't changed?

Furthermore CCP is aware of players using teamspeak and mumble overlay programs and the like and have never indicated any desire to ban them.

Sorry mate, GM Nythanos says otherwise. The answer to my petition was, not quoting, "we cannot allow such software to be used". The petition was basically "Is ISBOXER allowed?".

A player who wants to RMT goes to a friend who does not play eve and says:

"Could you start a character in Eve, buy a pile of ISK via RMT, then sell me the character?"

Then GM Nythanos is wrong.