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Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.08.25 06:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Christopher Scott If a "corporation" of farmers formed in low security or 0.0 space, and started harvesting minerals or NPC hunting 23/7, they would only need to use simple macros that don't go beyond autowarping and can dragging in order to keep farming 23/7. Plus, they would never get caught. Oh wait, that happens already. Nevermind. Oh, you mean downfall of certain alliance in east block of EVE map? Wasn't their downfall same time when alot of accounts got banned for macroing? On the another note, CCP is kinda lazy for removing macroers because they also bring food to their table and will help them to reach magical 15k user limit same time. Face it people, IRL Money > Your virtual ISK in EVERY case. _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Avon	Posted - 2005.08.25 08:01:00 - [62] Originally by: fras lorth were ya correcting other peoples grammatical errors or yours? spelt not a correct word. misspelled formatted has 2 t's just checking ;) Sorry, what is wrong with the word "spelt"? ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
hired goon	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:31:00 - [63] Opposed to what has been said by some guy above, I'd say Eve is the hardest game to farm in. Because it is one of the most player-controlled of MMOGs. If there are macrominers; there will be bumpageddons, ore-thieves, and suicide alts. I really hope that farmers try to take over a part of 0.0 space. Unlike L2, farming for the longest does not also make you the most powerful. And if there was an alliance in 0.0 thats sole purpose was to farm, I think every player in the game from the lowliest pirate to the most upstanding RP paladin will put aside the in-game political differences to destroy it. I just wonder how cold the mercs in this game will get... would they accept a contract from uber rich farmers to help defend their space from the rest of the game? Or fight with the other players to save the game itself from destruction? Tune in next week to find out! ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
hired goon	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:38:00 - [64] Incidentally, I think the best remedy to this problem is for players to sort it out. Won't have to rely on a busy GM to give it a look. And I'd like to see the guy infront of 3 monitors "fend off the odd player" when a gang of HACs appear on top of him. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:46:00 - [65] Edited by: Face Lifter on 25/08/2005 09:46:22 Originally by: hired goon Incidentally, I think the best remedy to this problem is for players to sort it out. Won't have to rely on a busy GM to give it a look. And I'd like to see the guy infront of 3 monitors "fend off the odd player" when a gang of HACs appear on top of him. That would be pretty cool. But unfortunately EVE is designed so it's very easy to avoid PvP and any kind of interferance from players. The combat system makes it easy to get away, the map system makes it easy, CONCORD, no-war noob corps. Someone mentioned using bumping technique on miners - I wouldn't be surprised if those macro users made harassment petition against the bumpers and got the other guy banned. Everything that is "carebear" in the game plays right in hands of farmers.
Flipz	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:51:00 - [66] Simply spawn the navy customs into the belts. They will demand the rights to scan your ship for illegal wares, the question will be formulated in two ways, so agreeing for a ship scan can be both a "Yes, i agree" and a "No, i dont mind", hence a macro cannot be used for autorespond. If user fails to respond withing a X min timer, ship is flagged and concordokkened / open kill for anyone. This would not be a solution to the ppl who watch their macro ops with one character, but atleast its a start.
true sight	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:55:00 - [67] I have just finished reading that article from top to bottom and one thing disturbs me. The article seems to be based mone on the upset that these people are getting paid tiny amounts of money to work in these sweatshops, more so than how wrong it actually is to trade ingame credits for real world currency. Maybe the writer wouldnt have minded if all these people were on a good wage earning credit for these games -------------------------------------- True Sight President Foiritan Emissary --<<!SUPPORT DRONES!>>--
Valerie Ganor	Posted - 2005.08.25 09:57:00 - [68] Finding bots/macros for Eve Online is rather ez... If the devs know how to use google they can easily find it themselves. +=+=+=+=+=+=+ Win the crowd... GFX Corp is recruiting! Contact Will Yokes ingame or post on the forums!
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.08.25 10:42:00 - [69] kwood points to ebay why dont cpp just have 1 guy that buys this stuff and bans acounts? Meow!
DeODokktor	Posted - 2005.08.25 10:57:00 - [70] You guys are funny So.. How does this kill eve? ;) Some of the other big MMORPG corps have decided to start their own "ebay" boards for ingame items too.. I find it much more likely that someone with a t2 cap bpo would be selling isk for $$$ than someone who macromines veldspar 24-7.. and lets not forget that you can buy Isk with $$$ by means of ETC's Buy an ETC for $$$, sell it for Isk .. It's allow'd, no frowns come from it.. but most of you dont complain..
DeODokktor	Posted - 2005.08.25 10:58:00 - [71] Originally by: kwoodward kwood points to ebay why dont cpp just have 1 guy that buys this stuff and bans acounts? good idea, ccp pays someone 20$ to shut down an account that cost him less than that ;)
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:06:00 - [72] Originally by: hired goon I just wonder how cold the mercs in this game will get... would they accept a contract from uber rich farmers to help defend their space from the rest of the game? Or fight with the other players to save the game itself from destruction? Tune in next week to find out! There is a difference between in-game RP and IRL agreement with EULA. Therefore, unofficially, my answer is "both" (if you take my meaning). LM
Sweetpain	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:29:00 - [73] macro in a game like eve where time is the factor for prgression are unessesary, i can understand the need for it in game that require doing the same movements 250.000 times to reach the next level just to continue 350.000 times for the next and so on until they reach level 250 or whatever cap on progression. The only reason for a macro in eve is greed. more often then not this greed is related to offline greed in form of sales of in game currency or items. now we all agree that selling stuff or isk is bad and those doing it should be not only banned but most likely prosecuted for the fraud they are committing towards the company that provide it. But the real problem is the buyers, if there where no one that bought the products offered there would be no sales. So what about them the buyers? to me they should recieve the same treatment as the sellers. there is no difference in being on one side or the other when both parties are performing an illegal act. for the low sectors, pirate will allways demand more prey to hunt so they will continue to demand less pro*****ble mining in high sector and more in low sector, that natural since that is where they stay and mine as well. So they just look after thier own interest when placing their demands. But sadly for them ccp run a buisness, they can not or never will focus on only the hardcore players of eve as long their major income comes from people that dont have that much time to play the game each day or week as the hardcor pirate that think sitting by a gate for 5 hours waiting for someone to arrive is what the game is abut and what makes it fun. to move more people to low securtity space there have to be options in place that makes it possible to avoid and survive gate campers. gate campers is the sole reason that low securtiy is unpopolated. and the ones performing the camping is the most verbal people demanding mining in high security stops and force miners to go in to their camping spots. biased demands will never get credit from any dev in any game, they have to think of all not only miners or pirates with every decission made. So if you want to help ccp move people to low security, stop silly acts like gate camping and we are a leap closer to getting more people in there. 1.0 and 0.9 barge miners are not worse then pirates locking down the gates, remember that both player types where not antisipated or wanted in the game in the first place, your both ruining the game for all the others not just the one type.
hired goon	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Face Lifter Edited by: Face Lifter on 25/08/2005 09:46:22 Originally by: hired goon Incidentally, I think the best remedy to this problem is for players to sort it out. Won't have to rely on a busy GM to give it a look. And I'd like to see the guy infront of 3 monitors "fend off the odd player" when a gang of HACs appear on top of him. That would be pretty cool. But unfortunately EVE is designed so it's very easy to avoid PvP and any kind of interferance from players. The combat system makes it easy to get away, the map system makes it easy, CONCORD, no-war noob corps. Someone mentioned using bumping technique on miners - I wouldn't be surprised if those macro users made harassment petition against the bumpers and got the other guy banned. Everything that is "carebear" in the game plays right in hands of farmers. But making the effort to actually avoid pvp means there will have to be someone at the screen playing... hence it isn't macromining. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:48:00 - [75] Edited by: Serpensis on 25/08/2005 11:48:12 Originally by: DeODokktor You guys are funny What an intelligent way to open a discussion. Originally by: DeODokktor How does this kill eve? The younger players of EVE have a hard enough time making parents use their creditcards to pay for the monthly fee. Older players, can if your idea comes thru, just buy all the ISK they need on some site, and then the younger part of the players will have _no_ chance of making it in this game as they would have to mine for a week to replace their lost ships while you just buy 1B more ISK and have a new Raven in your hangar in 2-3 mins. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:53:00 - [76] Afaik the ETC for isk thing was recently banned too. And isk for $ Kill the game in two ways. Firstly, its costing the company players. I will not play a game in which macros play a major role. I will not play a game where the developer does not move to pursue and prevent macroing. I do not play a game that has an economy influenced by macromining in a large way. You read that article ? remember that part about the guy using the dupes and making lots of UO gold with it and geting caught with his tijuana sweatshop setup ? I played on the UO shard he had some of his activities on. Effectively the differenc in worth of gold between that shard and one not as severely influenced by macros and dupers would be about 40% to 100+%. That means that one hour of grinding on Drachenfels would end me up with gold twice the worth in nice armor and stuff compared to one hour or some US highroller shard. Some of the most heavily affected shards emptied of most of their players too, seeing how many wouldnt play on a ****** up shard anymore, and wouldnt play amongst hordes of teenager isk buying credit card pulling babies. Eve has only one shard. Here, you dont notice the inflation from macros and dupes as much cause you cant compare. But once it gets worse here the game will suffer the effects just like any other. And already empire is full of them. Man, and GM shouldnt even need the petitions, 15 minutes of flying around the Jita area end you up identifying at least 3 macro mining or sweatshop ops out of hand. I don't find that funny at all tbh. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
DeODokktor	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:55:00 - [77] Originally by: Serpensis The younger players of EVE have a hard enough time making parents use their creditcards to pay for the monthly fee. Older players, can if your idea comes thru, just buy all the ISK they need on some site, and then the younger part of the players will have _no_ chance of making it in this game as they would have to mine for a week to replace their lost ships while you just buy 1B more ISK and have a new Raven in your hangar in 2-3 mins. Eve has a "Mature" Rating. Kids shouldnt be playing it. Moot point "for the kids". Mayb it's kids who sell most of the isk and pay for their college fee's.. Law School for lil trailertrash Jimmy.
ZelRox	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:55:00 - [78] Originally by: hired goon But making the effort to actually avoid pvp means there will have to be someone at the screen playing... hence it isn't macromining. So if i use a macro mining program, and sit at the screen watching it do its job, its not macro mining ? Everybody should have a bumpageddon available! WTB 8x local hull nanofibers ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
arjun	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:59:00 - [79] there are huge mining fleets in empire which seem to be directed by macros. those macros seem to be written very professionally. the are even ready to react if contacted. and sell the ore they mine on the market. those macros have the potential to destroy the eve economy.
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2005.08.25 11:59:00 - [80] Said this in a number of other threads but anyway: Macromining is a problem because the mining system is static. It depends on the player doing the exact same mouse moves over and over again. The moment where CCP imrove this system so that it actually requires your attention as a player is the moment where you'll see 80% of all macro abuse killed. Preventing trading of ingame stuff (incl isk) for RL money is a different issue that you'll have to treat seperately. One method of countering this however, is the elimination of static game mechanics. It prevents those seeking to abuse the game from reaching their goals by making it harder for them to "farm", while keeping us legit players happy because we see our game improving. Mai's Idealog
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.08.25 12:05:00 - [81] Aye, macro mining is rife, in Saila i came across 4 Omens mining there socks off, with a can with 1 unit of ore in it, and a Hoarder sat next to them. They were all less than a week old and the second any ore touched the can, it was gone, plus they didn't answer any of my convo's. So i rammed the hoarder out of the way and set about helping my self to the contents of the can, very satisfying ---- Join Us Free Websites
DeODokktor	Posted - 2005.08.25 12:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Lord Aradon Aye, macro mining is rife, in Saila i came across 4 Omens mining there socks off, with a can with 1 unit of ore in it, and a Hoarder sat next to them. They were all less than a week old and the second any ore touched the can, it was gone, plus they didn't answer any of my convo's. So i rammed the hoarder out of the way and set about helping my self to the contents of the can, very satisfying ---- Join Us So is macromining bad or good As your admitting to helping yourself to macromining ore.. then it sounds as tho it's good?
Aitrus	Posted - 2005.08.25 15:48:00 - [83] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes thing is... a real ebayer wouldn't really mine in high sec systems because profit is way too low. Get (like i saw this morning) 1 apoc and 7 large mining barges in a good 0.0 spot and you'll get simply more $$ for less efforts ^^ Doubt they'd do that. Too easy to be interrupted by a player. high sec is totally safe, and therefore the prime area for macros.
Eclissa	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:03:00 - [84] Whats wrong with running two clients? Originally by: SengH Edited by: SengH on 24/08/2005 17:44:01 VERY easy solution. GM can spawn a non aggroing multi NPC BS spawn 300-400km away. If the little friggy auto flies over to shoot it. Confirmed macrominer. Edit: if all of the guys start screaming, then react accordingly. Another way would be for them to add a counter to see how many concurrent instances of EVE are running on the same computer and what accts. If two clients get commands at the same time. Somethings fishy :).
Eclissa	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:08:00 - [85] WoW, UO and a few other less popular games. Originally by: fras wow i loved that article. was awesome. playing for fun is okay but for moneys even better anyone know what games actually endorse selling stuff and recive profits from it??
X'Alor	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:09:00 - [86] The one thing that frightens me most of all, the sheer amount of actual cash people will spend for game cash regardless of game. What is to stop a game company from setting up their own farming system and outside company to seel their own ingame monopoly money via internet website transactions that would not even link them to the game company itself. There is millions upon millions of dollars available out of game money sales. Once you start talking about the type of large sums of income these people are making ....... all the incentive is there for any game company to farm cash for themselves. and who would know the programming best and the best way to macro it ...... outside programmers or the game programmers? Game companies shoot for subscriptions and we all know how most games have limited life spans. Now what would you do if you knew you were only gonna last 3 years if you knew you could triple or quadruple your income over those 3 years by farming your own game and selling the game cash from an outside realm ontop of mass subscriptions? I'm sorry but I am one poor struggling blue colar worker and no offense to anyone, morals aside, I'd go for the millions.
Magunus	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:13:00 - [87] Edited by: Magunus on 25/08/2005 16:13:51 Oddly, I see two possibilities, given that CCP is banning accounts and that mineral prices have remained fairly stable. Either there isn't a significant problem, and removing dozens of macrominers isn't really affecting the market, or it's a very large problem and removing dozens of miners doesn't put a dent in it. I've never seen a group of farmers that I'm aware of, so my guess is the former. edit - by saying it isn't a 'significant' problem, I'm not condoning it. Far from it, I'm pointing out that CCP is doing a good job already and we have nothing to fear. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:24:00 - [88] that article was taken outa some game mag ;p pc gamer or somethin (not uk)
Anteract	Posted - 2005.08.25 16:30:00 - [89] Originally by: kieron If you spot an operation that seems to be illegal, file a petition. The GMs to have the tools to look into the sitiation other than just sending the player a message. Sometimes the GMs are busy and not able to respond immediately, but if these operations set-up day after day, they can look into them and take action. Yeah right. I found such an operation. Petitioned it, posted about it, gave names, etc. I constantly annoyed them for a week, until I finally just resigned myself to the fact that CCP wasn't going to care, so why should I? I finally took them out of my friends list, so I didn't have to watch the constant login/logouts they do (in mass by the way) They are operating in Lonetrek, using Amarr Battleships, and have been for at least a month. Names not mentioned so this message has a chance of surviving the editor.
Natasha Kerensky	Posted - 2005.08.25 18:07:00 - [90] China Responds to the MMO Farming Crisis!

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