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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: babyblue
No game mechanic will stop this. Sure you can detect and stop macros, but it's awfully difficult to stop people from selling ISK unless you can stop them legitimately making it and, ironically, the less ISK people can make, the more it's worth in the real-world.
Sure this is, make .8 and above only Veld roids and .7 to .5 not much better and if you want kernite and such you need low security. Let us take care of them >:)
Well personally I don't have a problem with this, but what do you think the macro miners are mining in any case? It's mainly Veld and Scord (trit and pyerite). Think about the problems you'll start to have in production centers when trit and pye start to become scarce. I doubt many people will haul it through the nice new 0.4 choke-points.
You have to remember that the number of macro miners or ISK sellers is waaaay less than the number of legitimate miners working high sec. If you nerf high sec, you'll be hurting some people's gameplay.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:52:00 -
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leave high sec the same. Just introduce a superveld, superscord, superpyrox, superplag to 0.5 and lower and scales in yield the lower the sec status goes. High sec people will still be able to mine the same ammount to build their stuff. Prices of low ends however will still fall as theres less demand.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
leave high sec the same. Just introduce a superveld, superscord, superpyrox, superplag to 0.5 and lower and scales in yield the lower the sec status goes. High sec people will still be able to mine the same ammount to build their stuff. Prices of low ends however will still fall as theres less demand.
or just do what i do, get 2 accounts and just strip the entire belt with large barges :P
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RedlegSA
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Posted - 2005.08.24 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
Asteroid Belts should just be open to player pirates, that would solve the problem...
make it so that mining in .9 and 1.0 with a bigger ship then a frigate is illegal. Problem solved.
This is the only way I can see as a newer player to make any decent cash - Iteron III Mining in 1.0 or .9. I dont plan to do it forever, but it is funding ships, equipment, and skillbooks. I would rather this ability not be taken as I dont have many other options quite yet that I know of.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: RedlegSA
Originally by: Noriath
Asteroid Belts should just be open to player pirates, that would solve the problem...
make it so that mining in .9 and 1.0 with a bigger ship then a frigate is illegal. Problem solved.
This is the only way I can see as a newer player to make any decent cash - Iteron III Mining in 1.0 or .9. I dont plan to do it forever, but it is funding ships, equipment, and skillbooks. I would rather this ability not be taken as I dont have many other options quite yet that I know of.
use the frig with that -60 % to mining laser cap use
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Posted - 2005.08.24 19:40:00 -
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I know some peoplez who payz peoplez to minez for himz.
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GrandAdmiral Alt
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:24:00 -
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you could join my new corp and help us try to gank Macro Mining operations.
Mostly we get concordokkened a lot - but its fun for all.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 17:52:37
hay m8's long ago, iu tryed to make a macro for mining and hauling wit 2 accounts runnijg, its UBER hard, and takes atleast 2 weeks to make, cause its jutst very hard.
and i have 2 accounts on same computer and moniter, so both insts will be masde at saame time even if your not even using macros. :P
but u know whats also fun.
if u suspect a macro miner, what u do is take the ore out of the can and put it in a differnt can, and then there macro will be scrrewed up :P
Omg DJ you macroer.
i used to be a macrower befor summer of 2004, before a GM warned me. but after that i stoped :P
and besides making macros ****ed me off too, iit was too much work to do.
Bye Daniel.
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Ken Concordo
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ken Concordo on 24/08/2005 21:37:40
Quote:
you could join my new corp and help us try to gank Macro Mining operations.
Mostly we get concordokkened a lot - but its fun for all.
\o/
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:53:00 -
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From what I know, there is only one macro program that works with eve... There is a domain dedicated to this program (i'm sure the devs know about) with heaps of scripts for doing everything.
Basically the scripts will let you run as many accounts as you want. They will mine, haul, refine and sell without you lifting a finger.
No I don't use it 
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.24 22:04:00 -
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Hello infused could you please send a mail ( petition) to the GM's with a url of that website. In case they do not know.
Thank you 
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.08.24 22:13:00 -
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thing is... a real ebayer wouldn't really mine in high sec systems because profit is way too low. Get (like i saw this morning) 1 apoc and 7 large mining barges in a good 0.0 spot and you'll get simply more $$ for less efforts ^^
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Brolly
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Posted - 2005.08.24 23:16:00 -
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Macoring is pretty crappy but I think selling virtual items which have been found legitamately (no macro) for rl cash is the way forward, I mean, you pays your subsciption and it would be nice to earn a bit from it. Also if it went through CCP they could also gain a bit of cash and everyones happy.
Off course I know selling eve items for RL money is illegal, I don't intend on doing it and have never done it, just thought i'd point that out 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 24/08/2005 23:43:38
Originally by: Brolly
Macoring is pretty crappy but I think selling virtual items which have been found legitamately (no macro) for rl cash is the way forward, I mean, you pays your subsciption and it would be nice to earn a bit from it. Also if it went through CCP they could also gain a bit of cash and everyones happy.
Off course I know selling eve items for RL money is illegal, I don't intend on doing it and have never done it, just thought i'd point that out
That would open a legal mindfield that I dont think anyone wants to cross. What would have happened if the GHSC had stuck all the stuff they stole up for sale on ebay? The CEO could easily sue them for selling stolen property. CCP would get involved and the only person that would profit at the end is the lawyers.
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fras
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Posted - 2005.08.24 23:55:00 -
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wow i loved that article. was awesome. playing for fun is okay but for moneys even better
anyone know what games actually endorse selling stuff and recive profits from it??
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.25 00:33:00 -
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Daniel Jackson
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12 Interrupters working around the clock to decipher the enigma that is a Daniel Jackson post.
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fras
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Posted - 2005.08.25 01:20:00 -
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lorth were ya correcting other peoples grammatical errors or yours?
spelt not a correct word. misspelled
formatted has 2 t's
just checking ;)
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.25 01:25:00 -
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this has suddenly become a big issue but overall its very small indeed - ok so they get all these minerals what are they sold for (mind u im 100% agaisnt selling ingame items etc for RL cash) ebaying and so forth is totally illegal and any way to stamp it out would be good.
That said one would think high SP accounts would sell better etc ? those marco miners wouldnt be getting much and if we find em we bump em - strip their main belts etc to make it harder.
As for afk mining if a RL player is putting an industrial ship out there and going afk for a while while a miner 2 works away its not really profitable. Though its the player controlling the actions and not the AI program.
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S31Apocalypse
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Posted - 2005.08.25 01:47:00 -
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Sony has or is starting to support buying & selling of stuff for IRL cash.. but they are doing it though there site, for obvious reasons..
I dont sub to anymore sony games at this time, but it was in the works a while ago for EQ2 I belive..
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.08.25 01:55:00 -
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a somewhat radical solution to such problem is to design a game that lets every player use macros if they want. And also design the game in a way that minimizes "grind" features that force players to do boring repetitive tasks to get ahead in the game.
This type of solution attacks the demand side of the equation. Right now all the bans and macro hunts are attacking the supply side and supply will always be there as long as there is demand. All you do by attacking supply is driving the prices up, since demand remains constant. In the end the supplier's profits aren't hurt much.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2005.08.25 02:49:00 -
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I think to move in the right directionà in high sec empire, if the chars are in npc corps, those should charge for miningà that way it will force them to be in player corps.. and when they are in player corps well anyone can war dec and boom goes there opsà
At least its something, not the best but when you have a game that is pvp its probably best to allow pvp take care of such things.
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Showtimex
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Posted - 2005.08.25 03:12:00 -
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Well having a STRONG L2 experience i can tell you that farmers are inevitable and are here to stay. There is always going to be people selling ISK and characters...why? Simple there is a high demand for it. The real issue is HOW BAD it gets and horribly it compromises the game.
The real question is, how can this be limited? My experience from many MMORPGs is that it requires strong action from both the comunity and the DEVs.
In Lineage 2 for example the attempts to defeat/limit the farmers failed miserably simply because the game mechanics were such, that characters played 24/7 would be not only the best cash farmers but at the same time the strongest fighters. In addition for some reason the GMs never really aggresivelly persued the farmers.
Eve is better off IMHO, infact as people mentioned earlier "safe mining" can be only done in certain sectors and no matter how much mining/farming is done in those sectors the global game economy is not gonna get totally destroyed.
There is only 1 major risk, if Eve continues to grow in popularity, and the demand for ISK purchases grows strongly on the internet, the farmers will start organizing themselfs better. And trust me they are REALLY good at it. In L2 in certain servers farmer Clans (who had the solo purpose of farming cash) had entire Map areas locked down, pretty much no one could enter without getting killed; reason being those were the most profitable areas for farming money. Amazingly enough the player base never managed to unite and destroy these Clans, because the player clans were to busy backstabing eachother and simply would refuse to come together. The end result is that L2 is a totally destroyed game from the economy point of view.
If something like that were to happen in Eve (some farmers corporation trying to lockdown a 0.0 secrtor for what ever purpose), it would be essential on one side for the Devs to respond quickly, and on the other side players would have to come together and crush the farmers before they became to powerful. Simply because Account banning will not stop the farmers from coming back and starting over while a hostile comuity unted against farmers will.
Eve has one more advantage, there is no Powerlevelling. Training certain skills vital for both PvPing, Ship building and what ever top level can not be achieved in a short time. Therefore if CCP was efficient in banning certain farmer accounts it would really put these "sweatshops" out of business.
Just my 2cents.
P.S. i am pretty sure the farmer invasion WILL come to Eve, and it will be most intresting to see how the players will handle it.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.25 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: fras
wow i loved that article. was awesome. playing for fun is okay but for moneys even better
anyone know what games actually endorse selling stuff and recive profits from it??
Project Entropia...but those people are crazy.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Showtimex
Well having a STRONG L2 experience i can tell you that farmers are inevitable and are here to stay. There is always going to be people selling ISK and characters...why? Simple there is a high demand for it. The real issue is HOW BAD it gets and horribly it compromises the game.
The real question is, how can this be limited? My experience from many MMORPGs is that it requires strong action from both the comunity and the DEVs.
In Lineage 2 for example the attempts to defeat/limit the farmers failed miserably simply because the game mechanics were such, that characters played 24/7 would be not only the best cash farmers but at the same time the strongest fighters. In addition for some reason the GMs never really aggresivelly persued the farmers.
Eve is better off IMHO, infact as people mentioned earlier "safe mining" can be only done in certain sectors and no matter how much mining/farming is done in those sectors the global game economy is not gonna get totally destroyed.
There is only 1 major risk, if Eve continues to grow in popularity, and the demand for ISK purchases grows strongly on the internet, the farmers will start organizing themselfs better. And trust me they are REALLY good at it. In L2 in certain servers farmer Clans (who had the solo purpose of farming cash) had entire Map areas locked down, pretty much no one could enter without getting killed; reason being those were the most profitable areas for farming money. Amazingly enough the player base never managed to unite and destroy these Clans, because the player clans were to busy backstabing eachother and simply would refuse to come together. The end result is that L2 is a totally destroyed game from the economy point of view.
If something like that were to happen in Eve (some farmers corporation trying to lockdown a 0.0 secrtor for what ever purpose), it would be essential on one side for the Devs to respond quickly, and on the other side players would have to come together and crush the farmers before they became to powerful. Simply because Account banning will not stop the farmers from coming back and starting over while a hostile comuity unted against farmers will.
Eve has one more advantage, there is no Powerlevelling. Training certain skills vital for both PvPing, Ship building and what ever top level can not be achieved in a short time. Therefore if CCP was efficient in banning certain farmer accounts it would really put these "sweatshops" out of business.
Just my 2cents.
P.S. i am pretty sure the farmer invasion WILL come to Eve, and it will be most intresting to see how the players will handle it.
Crashed node = no isk being made in the region = farmers in trouble. Their existence in 0.0 would depend on their maintaining politics with the alliances around them. Something that isk farmers havent had to deal with in other MMOs.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.25 04:44:00 -
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a few more points - 0.0 is controlled by alliances and they would also need defense against those big battleship NPCs - no marco could handle that - so they would need to be RL players which means players at keyboards - at least forcing them to play
Very small high sec problem mostly in kisogo etca nd those are being reported to the devs.
The other thing is the MM Killers channel where players are orgainising themselves to outmine (with mining barges) play snooker with em to put off the Marcos - killing em with alts and stealing their ore so if u spot em petition it first and then jump on MM Killers channel and try to organise things with others in empire
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:12:00 -
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Somehow I doubt there are any farmers in 0.0. All of them are probably sitting safely in 0.5 CONCORD sandbox. They can't make that much money mining scord there. I wouldn't be surprised if sweatshop farmer workers were doing level 4 agents non-stop. That way GMs can't catch them as macro users and they make ****loads of money in safety of empire and safety from empire war
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:12:00 -
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How about this: Any one caught macro mining has all of their characters moved into a corp that is at war with all of Eve.
They can macro mine all they want. And we can shoot them forever. Everyone wins!!
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
Somehow I doubt there are any farmers in 0.0. All of them are probably sitting safely in 0.5 CONCORD sandbox. They can't make that much money mining scord there. I wouldn't be surprised if sweatshop farmer workers were doing level 4 agents non-stop. That way GMs can't catch them as macro users and they make ****loads of money in safety of empire and safety from empire war
not true and I'm not making a comment about events... lets just say its not happening as much after certain things happened.
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.08.25 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Scott on 25/08/2005 06:10:42
EvE is probably one of the best and easiest games to farm. No other game has gone to such great lengths to improve making money using the same mechanics.
If a "corporation" of farmers formed in low security or 0.0 space, and started harvesting minerals or NPC hunting 23/7, they would only need to use simple macros that don't go beyond autowarping and can dragging in order to keep farming 23/7. Plus, they would never get caught.
Oh wait, that happens already. Nevermind. 
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2005.08.25 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pwyle Kenobi on 25/08/2005 06:30:13
Originally by: Douglas Mc*****en
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Thats why i have develloped the bumpageddon,
lowslots full of nanos/overdrives
a mwd/AB + cap stuff in mids
and whatever in highs,
Ram barges and haulers out the belts, 
This actually works?! Brilliant! Time to start bumping macro-miners!
Also, check out this thread on dealing with macro-miners.
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