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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:07:00 -
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Article about crazy wow farming.
Thats just crazy! 
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:17:00 -
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It is, just pop down to Verge Vendor, especially Scolluzer/Sortet and look for ShamenGirl
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:19:00 -
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So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:20:00 -
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well a non-macro farming of that exist :P
macros are hard to make since well u gotta do alot of clicking and timing toi get it right, also lag takes place in this as well, witch can also kill your macro and get your ship killed, soo..
i dont beleve the macro version of it exist in eve.
but you are not allowed to use macros in eve any way.
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Douglas McCracken
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:22:00 -
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It probibly is, the ammount of characters ive seen called minor1, minor2, minor3 etc etc is staggering.
Thats why i have develloped the bumpageddon,
lowslots full of nanos/overdrives
a mwd/AB + cap stuff in mids
and whatever in highs,
Ram barges and haulers out the belts, 
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:28:00 -
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oh dear, how naive!
I saw this crew of 4-5 identical exchequors, with an iteron5 and a frig. They sat in the belt mining away. When rats the spawned the frig set off and blew them up, then returned to the same spot at the back of the central excequor. The Ity3 just went from can to can then to station and back.
Its hard to explain but they just LOOKED so robotic. Everything was identical, similar names and when I saw then stuck at a station, they were all aligned identically and stationary for over 2 hours.
When I grabbed 10k veld out of a can, they didn't react at all, and the iteron went to every can in the belt, even the mining can of a guy in a barge just down the belt. (He WASN'T a macro judging by the noise he made when I grabbed 1 pyrox and popped his can - I gave it back of course).
Did you read the article? A Eula violation is not going to deter people from making over $1m in real life.
I petitioned the whole crowd and received a response, but they were back the next day.
Tar om
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:33:00 -
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Problem is mining can be done with very little user input, and its also very easy to run multiple accounts so running your own mining outfit is very easy (hell I saw pingpong1-8 hanging in Ammold mining in ospreys yesterday). Since the only GM tool is convo'ing people to see if someone is there, they cant do much, to me the only real solution is to remove or place restrictions on who can mine in 0.8+. Its the fact 0.9 or 1.0 carries no risk that needs to be addressed before Asia hits us full force soon and figures that out.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 24/08/2005 17:38:30
VERY easy solution. GM can spawn a non aggroing multi NPC BS spawn 300-400km away. If the little friggy auto flies over to shoot it. Confirmed macrominer.
Edit: if all of the guys start screaming, then react accordingly.
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Heptameron
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Hakera
Since the only GM tool is convo'ing people to see if someone is there, they cant do much.
Not quite true, last I heard was they 'transport' them to another belt/system and see if they auto lock the nearest roid and continue mining....if they are not macroing, they give a wtf??? and are returned to orginal spot, if they don't resond in any way, bannage!!
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:46:00 -
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well there only needs to be 1 person in the whole group monitoring.. to respond to that... that idea doesnt seem too sound.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 17:52:37
hay m8's long ago, iu tryed to make a macro for mining and hauling wit 2 accounts runnijg, its UBER hard, and takes atleast 2 weeks to make, cause its jutst very hard.
and i have 2 accounts on same computer and moniter, so both insts will be masde at saame time even if your not even using macros. :P
but u know whats also fun.
if u suspect a macro miner, what u do is take the ore out of the can and put it in a differnt can, and then there macro will be scrrewed up :P
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Wendat Huron on 24/08/2005 17:53:53
Isn't there triads to be hired to take these guys out?
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.08.24 17:57:00 -
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Asteroid Belts should just be open to player pirates, that would solve the problem...
Make it so that Concord scanners can't pick up small pirate ships in highsec belts, so in .8-.7 you can atack people in a tech 1 frig without getting killed by concord. In .6 and .5 the scanners would be even worse and you can use tech 1 cruisers.
Then make it so that mining in .9 and 1.0 with a bigger ship then a frigate is illegal. Problem solved.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 18:09:56
Originally by: Noriath
Asteroid Belts should just be open to player pirates, that would solve the problem...
Make it so that Concord scanners can't pick up small pirate ships in highsec belts, so in .8-.7 you can atack people in a tech 1 frig without getting killed by concord. In .6 and .5 the scanners would be even worse and you can use tech 1 cruisers.
Then make it so that mining in .9 and 1.0 with a bigger ship then a frigate is illegal. Problem solved.
then u will be end of speding 100 billion isk for a battle ship and 500mil for a frig :P
and btw mining is fun, so if they get rid of mining, then they MUST get rid of Combat.
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:10:00 -
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 24/08/2005 17:44:01
VERY easy solution. GM can spawn a non aggroing multi NPC BS spawn 300-400km away. If the little friggy auto flies over to shoot it. Confirmed macrominer.
That didnt work in Earth and Beyond.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:11:00 -
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yes, they are here too.
About 7 months ago i came across a romanian sweatshop type macro op. No clue if its still out there, but since the accounts are watched over convoing him always gets a reaction.
The dude even said he was getting paid to mine, told us how much he got, and what the company was called.
Even tho its sad to take a mans job, we still petitioned him and sent all chatlogs with it. Dont know what came of it, wether he was banned or just moved.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:18:00 -
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Some more further thought about this. One way to do this would be to hit it on multiple fronts. Economic, GM, and Enviroment.
Economic
Economic Sanctions.
Couple ideas:
Allow NPC corps to only sell their ore/minerals to empire. This will promote players to move out into other corps. A couple dedicated players will take the true "new" players in hand by creating "player run" newbie corps. Everyone in EVE would have to agree not to wardec this corp for the good of the game.
Or an easier way would be to just implement economic sanctions as a whole. Alliances and some major corps ie, BIG/NAGA etc... could blacklist newbie corps and not buy from them at all. For those that do not wish to participate, the isk farmers would begin competing among themselves and cause the price of low end mins to tank. Legitimate mining corporations will still be able to sell their ores.
GM
GM's need to employ creative thinking rather than the usual set methods entailed to catch macroers. TBH once you tie yourself down to a certain set formula to catch a macro, the macro creaters will always stay 1 step ahead.
Enviroment.
In high sec systems, players could get npc messages like, please vacate the belt as an empire mining op is about to commence. After repeated warnings and players not responding for about 10-20 mins and they persist mining. Have the NPCs jam the players so they cant target any of the roids. The players can warp out at any time.
Just some ideas... could be better
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:21:00 -
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The GM and Dev teams do their best to catch and ban these operations. Monday, 6 users with 22 accounts were banned for ebaying characters, items and ISK. (No, I am not going to release account or character names, sorry.)
If you spot an operation that seems to be illegal, file a petition. The GMs to have the tools to look into the sitiation other than just sending the player a message. Sometimes the GMs are busy and not able to respond immediately, but if these operations set-up day after day, they can look into them and take action.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
Article about crazy wow farming.
Thats just crazy!
The best thing about EVE having to do with this is we can always get to the Macro runners, but in WoW they were in a dungeon all by them selves instanced so no outside player to rune their day.
In EVE they can not hide in an instanced mission.
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Nefa
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nefa on 24/08/2005 18:23:59
As a business they are concerned about their ISK/hour rate. One solution, make mining in high sec space less profitable. Greatly reduce the size of the roids and belts in .9 space. Make them just big enough that new players can get the idea. Then gradually increase the size and profitability as the security level gets lower. Do this to the point where it is only profitable for large mining operations to take place in low sec space.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:29:00 -
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No game mechanic will stop this. Sure you can detect and stop macros, but it's awfully difficult to stop people from selling ISK unless you can stop them legitimately making it and, ironically, the less ISK people can make, the more it's worth in the real-world.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Some more further thought about this. One way to do this would be to hit it on multiple fronts. Economic, GM, and Enviroment.
Economic
Economic Sanctions.
Couple ideas:
Allow NPC corps to only sell their ore/minerals to empire. This will promote players to move out into other corps. A couple dedicated players will take the true "new" players in hand by creating "player run" newbie corps. Everyone in EVE would have to agree not to wardec this corp for the good of the game.
Or an easier way would be to just implement economic sanctions as a whole. Alliances and some major corps ie, BIG/NAGA etc... could blacklist newbie corps and not buy from them at all. For those that do not wish to participate, the isk farmers would begin competing among themselves and cause the price of low end mins to tank. Legitimate mining corporations will still be able to sell their ores.
GM
GM's need to employ creative thinking rather than the usual set methods entailed to catch macroers. TBH once you tie yourself down to a certain set formula to catch a macro, the macro creaters will always stay 1 step ahead.
Enviroment.
In high sec systems, players could get npc messages like, please vacate the belt as an empire mining op is about to commence. After repeated warnings and players not responding for about 10-20 mins and they persist mining. Have the NPCs jam the players so they cant target any of the roids. The players can warp out at any time.
Just some ideas... could be better
dont most of eve allready sell ther minauals to empire :P
and the other thing, what if u had cans in the belt, well u cant warp out cause u wana stay by them :P
so ther for it will cause problums
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 24/08/2005 18:34:41
an item is only worth as much as you pay for it. If the prices of low ends tanked as their usefullness was pulled. Think what would happen if tech3 ships only needed stuff from Cosmos and 0.0 to build no low ends and ore. That would cause a serious devaluation in the need of lowends. OFC there would always be people building t1/t2 ships, but if they pull the plug on needing trit, mex and iso to build higher tech stuff, low end prices would tank very quickly.
Edit: They could have easily made more per hour for each of those characters individually running missions and selling implants off. The beauty of the eve market is that when you sell stuff your actually selling it to another player.. unless you want to pay an abysmal npc price for it.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
The GM and Dev teams do their best to catch and ban these operations. Monday, 6 users with 22 accounts were banned for ebaying characters, items and ISK. (No, I am not going to release account or character names, sorry.)
If you spot an operation that seems to be illegal, file a petition. The GMs to have the tools to look into the sitiation other than just sending the player a message. Sometimes the GMs are busy and not able to respond immediately, but if these operations set-up day after day, they can look into them and take action.
How about this.
Creat another Team, so they that team will only focus on macroers, and not nay thign elce, so the gms and devs and etc can continue on doing ther own jobs witch are more important then finding macroers etc.
so ya, get a team togeather that only focus on the macro people.
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
No game mechanic will stop this. Sure you can detect and stop macros, but it's awfully difficult to stop people from selling ISK unless you can stop them legitimately making it and, ironically, the less ISK people can make, the more it's worth in the real-world.
Sure this is, make .8 and above only Veld roids and .7 to .5 not much better and if you want kernite and such you need low security. Let us take care of them >:)
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 17:52:37
hay m8's long ago, iu tryed to make a macro for mining and hauling wit 2 accounts runnijg, its UBER hard, and takes atleast 2 weeks to make, cause its jutst very hard.
and i have 2 accounts on same computer and moniter, so both insts will be masde at saame time even if your not even using macros. :P
but u know whats also fun.
if u suspect a macro miner, what u do is take the ore out of the can and put it in a differnt can, and then there macro will be scrrewed up :P
Omg DJ you macroer.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 18:44:40
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
dont most of eve allready sell ther minauals to empire :P
Empire buys trit for 1isk p/u.. you'd have to be crazy to sell it to them at current prices
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
and the other thing, what if u had cans in the belt, well u cant warp out cause u wana stay by them :P
so ther for it will cause problums
last i checked being jammed didnt prevent you from opening cans, just locking things.
yes but then how is a hauler supose to opwen them and then go back to station, for exampole if your in a hurry to haul cause ull be late to go somewere in real life, then yull have to log off spending blabl houres tryting to make that much ore
and then poof, it explodes :P cause your jammed, so there for it still causes prpblums
unless your talking about target jamming, well i dont think target jamming xan even help with mining, as i think u can still target astorids :P
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Malachi Nefzen
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:43:00 -
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Quote:
Smooth Criminal's game cartel made $1.5 million from Star Wars Galaxies alone last year, and individually, he's made as much as $700,000 in a single year. "
Looks like I'm playing the wrong way.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 24/08/2005 17:52:37
hay m8's long ago, iu tryed to make a macro for mining and hauling wit 2 accounts runnijg, its UBER hard, and takes atleast 2 weeks to make, cause its jutst very hard.
and i have 2 accounts on same computer and moniter, so both insts will be masde at saame time even if your not even using macros. :P
but u know whats also fun.
if u suspect a macro miner, what u do is take the ore out of the can and put it in a differnt can, and then there macro will be scrrewed up :P
Omg DJ you macroer.
i used to be a macrower befor summer of 2004, before a GM warned me. but after that i stoped :P
and besides making macros ****ed me off too, iit was too much work to do.
DJ you '****enretardo'  
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