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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.08.25 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 25/08/2005 23:41:01 If you don't see it now you never will Miss Nuko.
Didn't you pop into 5ZXX tonight? The local there is positively buzzing and in no small part to the relentless efforts of the good guys. We have new guys and alliances coming up each day to scan the moons for suitable pos locations, heck it's hardly even intentional. The rumour is just spreading that this is the new pirate safe haven.
So the Proof is in the number of pos from different corps and alliances in Pure Blind. I went scanning for Hidden complex's in 4 whole Constellations the other day but I only found 8 pos lmao :)
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Hermia
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Posted - 2005.08.25 23:57:00 -
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I have felt the pain of publicly sharing my liberal views on IRONs political straightjacket. I stand today banished from Deklein because i performed the 'crime' of free speach! How naughty of me
What did i do that was so terible... I said sorry to 'Jericho Fraction' that a Lost Boys pilot had been coersd into shooting them.
I lov LB to bits for who they are and what they represent but i cant subscribe to the oppression that they're comfortable with. Doesnt supprise me though, all of the independant northern corps are so dugg in, so hopelessly entrenched with industrial operations, they will fight for who ever wields the biggest whip.
The following is just my view and not the view of LB, hence my departure.
Growing to like LBÆs people and method to the extream has left me vulnerable to the heartfelt frustration why the next stage was denied to them. They were in a situation to form an alliance of like-minded groups to secure and develop a small section of Deklein to benefit the region. IRON took these plans and ****ed it away. Ridiculous really, because it would have benefited them just as much. *Shakes head*. So really itÆs my argument that my friend's (as absurdly forgiving as they are to IRON) situation is in a little-win situation supporting the shady intentions of the current deklein establishment.
My commitments then are to free the corporations who could take full advantage of there home. I will help tho's that move to forge constellation level communities in a 0.0 region, and in that, IÆve decided to take a path independants canÆt follow.
A lonely road
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 26/08/2005 00:13:46
ed. hmm, guess I used a naugty word.
Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo And, you know what the best part was? Instead of seeing your righteous behinds in EC-P8R with us helping us clear Pure Blind of people who smash anything thats not blue. I saw reports of Jericho members flying around looking for any haulers smaller then a badger to kill.
You know what the best part is? I saw reports of Santa not delivering toys to the people of the North. I also saw reports of the South planning a huge celebration to freedom and the right to dictate your own standings. I saw reports of the Jovians finally being fed up with the four main Empires and last of all saw a report about a report claiming all the previously stated was a fairy tale.
So, did you see a report or do you have some emperical evidence?
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Acwron
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol We have never claimed to be anti pirate. We are anti-asshats who try and kill us. Our enemies enemy is our friend. Trying to use BoB to play the heartstrings of people is ridiculous.
And what does the mighty enclousurist allaince have to fear from BoB anyways let alone JF? Have you not the money to fund your ships? Have you not the ability to fight? What threat is a mear roveing band of brother to a Regional Alliance! Populated by almot twice the amount of people that BoB could ever field. Let alone a puny and patheitcly tiny corperation like JF which has consistantly been destroying your peoples ships out numbered and outgunned.
Ah yes. Its because your system doesnt work. You fear outsiders who are not fooled by first impressions. Because there is no real protection other than the terrorism you cause people. You foolishly hide insides your lines that dot the stars claiming they are your home that you worked for your right to be there when in realitiy. It was never yours. You make up the illusion of a unified north when in reality it is a cabal of elistist that are nothing more than press gangs.
You call us hypocrites? Your even worse claiming to be anti-pirate..pfft...your ANTI EVERYTHING your nothing more than a band of whimpering miners who hope thier one or two combat corps will protect them by mindless destroying people whom mean you harm or not.
Personally, I really dont see why the Guristas dont kill you on sight or allow you to dock in thier stations? PA lives on the whim of the Guristas. Without the protect of them, Venal would be even more empty than what it is.
Your alliances have failed. The system of closed fails to provide security, It fails to resolve conflicts, and most of all it fails to be able to evole. PA has been in exisitance for some time now...what do you have to show for it? Your system of government is a primitive backwater way of doing things. You cut yourselves off from the universe in your own private asylms. And thus that is what will make your alliance inferior. Because it will lag behind in economic prosperity. Your people will always be stuck in conflict simply because the PA was born of conflict and betrayal.
If not from us then you will turn on yourselves and betray one another. All this has happened before and it will happen again unless you change.
Closed Space Ethics has failed before and will fail again. How many times will history repeat itself before you learn that it is ridiculous system of power mongers and miners.
Well Ly'sol I don't know in which reality you live in but it's definatly not the same all the others live in.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li Star Fraction wasn't killed by it's ethics, so that's a pretty weak "argument".
That's not my argument at all. Try not to misunderstand me here, I'm not anti-JF. JF is apparently the one with the axe to grind, here. But I see a lot of claims being made about why our system isn't working and why your ideas are better.
If they are so much better, why did Star Fraction fail? I'm sure it's fun to come and point out all the problems you perceive with the North, but my question is still being completely ignored.
Quote: The "your alliance failed LOL" line is all in all rather lame, and i'd ask you to cheer on your own achievements rather than others failures.
I think that is great advice. Want to tell me why you're here complaining about the North's problems, then? Seems in stark contrast to this statement.
Quote: But, in order to do that, you'd have to have achieved something above Blob 101, so i'm going to let it go this time. =)
Thank you for being so gracious, but I think our alliance has achieved something a bit more than yours did.
It's called existing. --------------- Phoenix Alliance Press Officer |
Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.08.26 01:19:00 -
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I would like to invite anyone who is neutral in this matter to join me for a game of "Spot the Contradictions." I've already spotted 2 or 3 in the last post alone.
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.08.26 01:41:00 -
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Have fun. --------------- Phoenix Alliance Press Officer |
Franky B
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Posted - 2005.08.26 02:04:00 -
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out of character here
without alliances, territories, closed space and borders... where would all the pretty stuff that CCP has coming go?
what about dreadnoughts and outposts and pos bonuses and what not?
oversimplified; the eve universe is being moulded for teamwork on a region wide scale. and these teams are expected to FIGHT for their right to PARTY.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.08.26 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 26/08/2005 02:14:30
Originally by: Franky B without alliances, territories, closed space and borders... where would all the pretty stuff that CCP has coming go?
With all due respect to your religious beliefs (as I suppose this CCP you mention is some sort of Intaki deity?), I can assure you that the Caldari Manual for Outpost Operation, while requiring you to have POSes in the system of your Outpost and perform the operation generally know as "claiming" the system, does not require you to shoot people that may be navigating the area.
Furthermore, at least in the Caldari version of the manual, the words "closed spaces" and "borders" are nowhere to be found... there is not a single line relating the Outpost operation to your policies about shooting people with a 0.0 standing to you (as a matter of fact, the Outpost Manual does not mention standings at all).
It may be that the Gallente Manual says different... those guys do have a policy of "orbital bombardment first, ask questions later"... or how to keep others under their yoke, as any Intaki as yourself would probably know.
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.08.26 02:54:00 -
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well. I did hear that my mystical earth anscestors ze "French" shot at green peace boats.
probably where the hostility comes from
:D
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.08.26 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B well. I did hear that my mystical earth anscestors ze "French" shot at green peace boats.
probably where the hostility comes from
:D
*shakes head, grinning*
You see? You see what the Imperialistic Brain Washing Machine will do to you?
Ze french were the ancestors of the Gallente, my friend. Not the Intaki.
They were the fathers of those ruling upon your brothers. Those making that, whenever you post and decide to show your race below your portrait, it will show "Gallente" and not "Intaki".
If a whole subjugated race can consider their Masters' fathers as their own... does it surprise you then that vassal corporations to the Norther Powers actually think that "PA loves and protects them"... as a loving, caring father?
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.08.26 06:48:00 -
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Actually Jasmine, yes, thats about it.
As for Vassal corps...I didn't know we had any. Maybe friendly corps that side with us but we've never handed down a decree that they MUST join us. In fact, as long as they aren't shooting us we don't really care what they do outside of PA space.
We both know why Xelas was removed from the north, and we both agree that the "good" guy depends on your point of view. So this is just a silly debate to even be worrying about.
Also, respect given to Atandros, that was a good close fight vs my destroyer I'm waiting on my next shipment to arrive and then we can try more Dessie vs AF fights.
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WhiteSnake
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Posted - 2005.08.26 08:47:00 -
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I just have one question
How comes and JF are trying to "free the north" for the last 2 years, why they are so obsessed with the northen territories? Why dont they try to apply their supposed "free space policy" to other regions? for example bobo's space or five's space?
So all those about free space policy it is a piece of crap, you cannot accept the fact that you were here once, you were kicked out, and you are no longer welcome. You dont have military power (you never had), all you do is propaganda and try make others to do what you cannot. I have no problem with that, just make your posts smaller, the bigger the post, more lies and propaganda.
Most of your posts are like "PA did that *inside PA space* and will be attacked", so who is making the aggressions? I am suprized that peole still believing you.
tip. you can make more money if you turned to freelance, and start selling your propaganda skills to diplomatic core to the other alliances
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Rillian
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Posted - 2005.08.26 09:59:00 -
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How is PA any different from any of the other multitude of alliances in 0.0 out there? why are you not fighting them too with the same zeal as PA? is it A)cause they allow you to go there and give everyone free access? B) Allow you to go there but kill everyone else(neutrals)?
Honestly I can't seem to understand your hatred of PA as PA does as all other 0.0 alliances do. Also expecting your allies to be with you against people coming in and killing your allies (what i am trying to say is we defend each other we are not forced into it) is not to much to ask for of people in the alliance
Its just I been reading a crap load of stuff from both PA and JF and the other assorted people and I still dont get it. theres alot of verbage being thrown around , if you dont like someone or persons just say you dont like them and leave it at that all this reteric is giving me a headache :P j/k about the headache.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.26 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I would like to invite anyone who is neutral in this matter to join me for a game of "Spot the Contradictions." I've already spotted 2 or 3 in the last post alone.
Oh! Oh! I found a good one! Look...
Originally by: Ly'sol Prove it. Show empirical evidence.
He wants evidence of a claim, after his corp make loads of unproven claims all over the whole thread haha! I like this game. ------------
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.08.26 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Demarcus on 26/08/2005 12:09:10
Quote: Its just I been reading a crap load of stuff from both PA and JF and the other assorted people and I still dont get it. theres alot of verbage being thrown around , if you dont like someone or persons just say you dont like them and leave it at that all this reteric is giving me a headache :P j/k about the headache.
The headache is well warranted between the 10 page thread about this earlier in the week and this thread J/F has failed to even have a point after 14 pages of reading. If you can't prove a point in 5 pages you don't have one, after 10 your a cry baby, and in 1 more page they will reach 15 which will catapult them to official whiny b*tch status. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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KissMyBoots
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Posted - 2005.08.26 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros ... This form of mob mentality / enforced consensus is very much the politics of the playground, the diplomacy of gunboat tyrants and domination by the most base and bestial of concepts. [cont. below]
I'm not sure I know what this post is supposed to say...translation plz?
For example: What is the "politics of the playground" and if such a thing exists at all doesn't this vary from schoool to school and Country to Country?...(In my Country the kids are too busy dealing in drugs to worry about political crap)...
BIG questions is why are you not fighting for free space in the south as well then, with all their NAPs? ASCN, BoB, FIX, SA, [5] and -v- are all Nap'd at the moment. [5] have even kicked members that were talking of starting wars with their neighbours...the internal quotes go like this "we dont **** on your own doostep"
...so are you not having a go at the 3 largest alliances and 2 largest PvP alliances in the game instead? Maybe because you are working for them?
So why not just admit Jericho are mates with the school bully's
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:58:00 -
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Possibly because we've always lived around the northern regions, and it makes more sense to clean the weeds out of your own garden before stamping around the forest looking menacing and waving your weedkiller in the air.
What strikes me as odd is that you didn't seem to understand that the school bullies in this instance are the northern alliances, demanding others lunch money else they be marked a "threat to the north" and kicked in the nuts.
Try flying to branch as a neutral. Try getting past a HAOS/OCC camp as a neutral.
Both instances will likely result in your being fired at. I've actually heard of northern corps who live in Fade/Dek being shot at by HAOS, and simply settling for an "oh, sorry, won't do it again!".
HAOS shot at us too, in Pureblind, while we were neutral. The response we got from the PA was a flat "If you can't prove it then we're not going to do anything about it".
That's unacceptable.
We also had a great deal of Deklein residents at +10 before we changed standings to PA, and found ourselves being shot at by blues.
These corps do not live in Venal, or Branch.
These corps require no hostility from us, as prior to this incident, they've not wronged us in any way.
So why in the hell are they losing ships day in day out?
Because IRON told them to, IRON who PA uses as the Pureblind meatshield to keep enemies away from Venal.
IRON who PA attacked a number of weeks ago, at the first sign of dispute, in the same way they attacked Xelas.
The difference is that Xelas stood up for themselves, and IRON laid down and took it.
This dissapointed me, and the current state of IRON continues to dissapoint me.
Ask yourself what started the GNW? PA's refusal to stand by their word.
Ask yourself what side VNTR and the NCA were on? The side shooting at PA
Now ask yourself how did BoB come out as the bad guys?
Any number of alliances shoot neutrals, PA do it and claim to be anti-pirate. So that can't be it.
( Honesty > Pretending to be righteous. )
The Phoenix Alliance were a problem in the north, since then alot has changed, and what was the Phoenix Alliance is for the most part split up.
Problem corps such as GODS and CDI are no longer included in the member roster, and the GNW was successful in removing those corps.
Now OCC is at the helm, and they've become a problem again.
OCC are anti-everyone, just about. The corporations attitude is bad even internally, and they consider themselves to be of some kind of odd superiority due to their time spent within the PA.
Kind of an old boys theme with HAOS.
The other corporations are considered far less significant, and god forbid anyone challenge the almighty dictatorship of Occassus Republica.
Ego, Ego, Ego.
PA is populated by people who've been sucked into the generic northern belief of "BoB bad! BoB friends bad! smash!", rather than being given the chance to make up their own mind.
Guess what. PA had it coming the first time, and they got it. FA had it coming and they got it. PA has it coming again, and i don't doubt for a minute that you'll get it.
BoB are a rather efficient tyrant removal service, that's all.
http://omerta.killboard.net
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:12:00 -
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IRON must be destroyed1!!!1! one oneone
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:27:00 -
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And the "Lets try to divide the Northern Alliances" propaganda continues... v9.5
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Gafton
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:10:00 -
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Yuki says I'm an ebil dictator now so it must be true.
Bow down to your ruler you Pirate Alliance pigs
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:19:00 -
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yes it continues, but it is a little slower that last few days, have you noticed that? Their Galnet keyboards must be malfunctioning or sumthun, or maybe their capsule feeding tubes have an over high mixture of Frentix being pumped in? Better look into that, no on second thought dont look into it.
ok gotta go the my daily "Evil North indoctrination class" todays subject: "How to be a meatshield"
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li
Ask yourself what side VNTR and the NCA were on? The side shooting at PA
Just about everyone in the north has shot at just about everyone else at one point or another. It took us all a while to work out our difference, but weve learned to play nice with each other. We all think that it is very ammusing that you think by bringing stuff like this up it will start some sort of infighting or alliance feud. We are all aware of the past. We all know what you are trying to do. However we dont take anything you say seriously enough for it to effect us. Jericho doesnt have that kind of pull anymore. We have realized that all it takes to render you guys powerless is to not take your words seriously. Jericho Fraction are a bunch of has-beens. And your corp is a bunch of never will be's. |
pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sypher313
ok gotta go the my daily "Evil North indoctrination class" todays subject: "How to be a meatshield"
Where do I sign up for Gaftons "how to be an ebil dictator" class? |
Fred0
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 26/08/2005 20:38:16 Here's what happens. Jericho comes into 5ZXX. Somone from us says hostile in local, watch out, and we scramble. Every day there is a new guy who pipes up and asks if Jericho are hostile?
All you have to reply is "Well to us they are" And the guys change standings, it doesnt matter if I add that it's up to them, I've tried and tested that as late as today.
Aslong as the major powers play good and do their work, everyone will side with us anyway. Especially since you guys have picked the side of BOB/5ive, who shoot anyone up here anyway.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li
Now ask yourself how did BoB come out as the bad guys?
They are ebil pirates. Pirating is bad m'kay.
I also think it might have had something to do when they said they were friends with everyone and then started killing them all. |
Gafton
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Posted - 2005.08.26 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Sypher313
ok gotta go the my daily "Evil North indoctrination class" todays subject: "How to be a meatshield"
Where do I sign up for Gaftons "how to be an ebil dictator" class?
Just send me a mail persh. I hold classes every tuesday and thrusday at 1800 eve time. You'll need a couple slaves to abuse during class tho so be prepared
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.08.26 21:46:00 -
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Quote: And your corp is a bunch of never will be's
And you're an idiot.
Would you like that Crow vs Crow fight yet? I'd be happy to give you a perfectly fair 1vs1 fight.
If i lose, good on you. If you lose, good on me.
But i think it should be done anyway.
http://omerta.killboard.net
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Jenna Knor
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Posted - 2005.08.26 22:56:00 -
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All i can say is welldone to Jericho Fraction probly the most respected ppl ive seen in eve. Keep up the good work Come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our FREEDOM!!!
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: pershphanie on 26/08/2005 23:13:38
Originally by: Yuki Li
Quote: And your corp is a bunch of never will be's
And you're an idiot.
Would you like that Crow vs Crow fight yet? I'd be happy to give you a perfectly fair 1vs1 fight.
If i lose, good on you. If you lose, good on me.
But i think it should be done anyway.
Awwww. What's the matter? Did I hit a little too close to home? You guys think everything can be solved by 1 v 1's. The problem with that is that nothing is solved by killing just me. When GODS/CDI went out and created this alliance we found a bunch of good corps that we decided we liked to play the game with. Then we asked them what they wanted in an alliance and what their beliefs are and represent them. I am just one of many. I just represent an alliance of people. Where as with you its not the case. With you a 1 v 1 does solve problems because you have made your organisations all centered around your believes and Jades believes. You went out searching for people who would drink your koolaid and think and believe what ever their guru (Jade) told them too. That's why you guys are so ****ed off all the time. You are exactly what you hate most. You are just drones for Jade.
Btw - That's kind of a restrictive 1v1. lol. I have to fight in the one ship I'm worst at fighting. I'll tell ya what. I'll flat out admit that you are a better crow pilot. But if you really want to fight me I'm not hard to find. You can usually find me around d7-zac. |
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