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EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:45:00 -
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running again? i did nazi this coming |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:38:00 -
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by views he means visually, two parties that are viewed the same because of their similar layers of skin pigmentation |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So does his RL political views matter to a Games Politics? i don't know how well do you think an unrepentant racist neonazi will get along with anything other than a lily-white csm and represent eve to the wider world |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:53:00 -
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Capqu wrote:If you want a no BS candidate, Fon's your man.
+3 votes from me. does he have his certificate of racial purity from black or semitic ancestry? where's the racial purity certificate |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:09:00 -
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i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:11:00 -
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its just me but i think that you could have figured out he was talking about the program of industrialized murder known as "the holocaust" from the fact his post specifically referenced the holocaust and that would have stopped you from making a very stupid post equating the nazi party to parties that have never conducted programs of industrialized murder to kill twelve million people |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:i think he's suggesting ccp should ban people from political parties who conducted a program of industrial murder to kill around twelve milion people, also people who openly espouse the principle that other races are inferior So 12 million bad, 120,000 good? but besides that. But yes his personal views may make him come undone once elected but to refuse him the ability is to discriminate against him, just as he would discriminate against others. could you please point to the program of industrialized murder that you believe equates to the holocaust from any of your examples
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EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:16:00 -
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also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: The players yes, VERY yes. If the players don't like it hell yeah we don't vote for the neo-**** scum.
But CCP no.
wrong
go ahead, try to find one law in any country anywhere that would support this very dumb idea
i would, of course, start with iceland since that's the one that matters but anywhere will do |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:also please identify the precise law you believe makes it illegal to discriminate against someone for espousing neo-nazi views and racist views
any law from anywhere besides the third reich will do You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? us law doesn't at all, EU law doesn't exist in the same sense but many countries in the EU criminalize neo-nazi speech
au law i guarantee doesn't either
go ahead, try to find anything that supports this dumb idea |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:27:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: You are literally hiding behind scale.
no
no he's not
there's a reason the holocaust is a much bigger deal than the people who died in combat in wwII
Frying Doom wrote: Yes the lets call it old german party as it censors it, went out of their way to exterminate, Jews, Gays, Intellectuals, Communists, and the list goes on, using their military might. The current war is killing a race of people en-mass by going well we want those guys so we will just kill everyone in the area with smart bombs and drones.
The reason may be different an smaller scale but the effect is just the same.
the holocaust is no different than uncle jim drunkenly falling into the wheat thrasher, just writ large
this is a thing frying doom apparently believes |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You mean besides, EU law, US law, AU law? Specific laws, Frying Doom. You don't get away that easily (also loooooooooool at thinking the EU would protect neonazi anything ever) You could have saved me the hassle of re typing, it is in GD atm But check out the Handbook on European non-discrimination law section 3.5.2 page 81 "The right to freedom of association has also been taken to include protection for the formation of political parties, which the ECtHR has accorded a high level of protection against interference. Similarly, as noted in Chapter 4.11., any interference with the right to free speech in the context of political debate is scrutinised very closely." So yes the neo-bloody-**** party is protected under EU law. the government is not allowed to interfere (generally, with neonazis being one glaring exception) with the formation of political parties
organizations, however, are absolutely free to refuse to hire neonazis and racists
try again |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:31:00 -
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you probably can figure out that neonazi parties are not protected from employers discriminating against them under EU law because it's a criminal offense to be a member of the party or espouse its views in most european countries
good work captain laws |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:33:00 -
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you're actively defending genocide as no worse than people dying as a result of a war
genocide doesn't "suck", bad posting "sucks" genocide is "an unforgivable crime against humanity" |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Well how about you show me these lovely laws that allow organizations, excluding other political and religious organizations to discriminate? Or you might want to read further down in that document I told you to look up as it says exactly the opossite.
But I am happy to see your references.
you don't need a law to legalize things
all things not banned by law are legal
it's like asking me what law permits me to eat a sandwich |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:43:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Well how about you show me these lovely laws that allow organizations, excluding other political and religious organizations to discriminate? Or you might want to read further down in that document I told you to look up as it says exactly the opossite.
But I am happy to see your references.
yeah i blew a giant hole in that and you are 100% wrong feel free to try and quote another section and i will rip your horrible argument to shreads that the eu bans employers from discriminating against neonazis but criminalizes neonazi speech |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:46:00 -
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just to forestall your next attempt i expect next you'll try to cite page 117 which talks about discrimination based on expression or speech, based on ECHR article 10
you will, in your manifest ignorance, doubtless think aha this applies, but I already checked article 10 and it bars only governmental interference so private entities are absolutely free to discriminate |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: But on the other I will not back down on a persons right to live without discrimination be it from sex, race, sexual persuasion, religion, disability or political affiliation or lets be frank any other form of discrimination.
do I think neo-nasis suck, yep personally I do but they still have the right to freedom of speech and political association that they would happily deny others.
political affiliation is not a protected class from private discrimination anywhere nor should it be: a company has every right to fire an avowed neonazi or racist and will always do so
i am still waiting for you to back up your claim CCP is barred, under icelandic or any other law, from refusing to associate with a racist and neonazi |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:54:00 -
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also neonazi views, like genocide, do not merely "suck"
neonazi views are so abhorrent that anyone who even tolerates someone with those views is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:57:00 -
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like let me be very clear virtually any company would fire not only fon but you, frying doom, for your defense of fon in this thread if you did it under your real name and they found out
and they would be completely justified in doing so because they have that right and failure to exercise that right is taken by civilized people to be an implicit endorsement or toleration of those views
american law generally accepts he and you should be free to say these things without punishment from the government (unlike EU law) but offers you absolutely no protection against people refusing to associate with you or do business with you |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Any view that results in the deaths of any innocent civilians is unwelcome in any civilized society, let alone the person themself.
do you support people being able to drive cars?
driving cars leads to the deaths of innocent civilians
welp guess everyone I know is outside civilized society |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:59:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes you absolutely do and I encourage you to use that freedom.  It is just CCP who cannot exclude them from running in the election on the basis of political association but yes everyone really should make fun of them. still waiting on you to prove this is the case in any country anywhere in the world |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:59:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate.
yeah that's not how law works, things are legal unless made illegal not the other way around |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:02:00 -
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here is the legal principle that says "frying doom's belief you have to have a law to allow you to do things" is nonsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:03:00 -
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its latin and everything since otherwise it is so blindingly obvious that people would look at you funny for saying it out loud, like you were loudly declaring fire was hot |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:07:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: The reality is that personal freedoms have taken such a battering in the last 20 years that now people consider freedom of speech and freedom of association to be crimes these days as this thread perfectly well shows.
Do I believe in his values frankly not at all, but I do believe in his right to have those views and everyone elses right to mock him for them, but not discriminate.
if you think it's only in the last 20 years we have gained this right i will do you one better, double the time, and allow you to cite any law in force in 1970 or later |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No actually I am waiting for your quote that expressly says an organization can discriminate. Where is the law that tells me I am allowed to have sex? Guess I can't do that. You're defending a neo-N azi by using ~internet lawyer logic~ which is a really, really silly idea. Actually their are laws in the US and Australia that tell you very clearly how you cannot have sex just as the EU has "The term discrimination first entered EU discourse in the form of its prohibition on the basis of nationality in Article 18 TFEU. Article 19 TFEU, introduced as Article 13 EC by the Treaty of Amsterdam, extended the grounds on which discrimination is prohibited to sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age and sexual orientation. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, as enacted by the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009, includes in Article 21(1) a general prohibition of GÇÿany discrimination based on any ground, such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientationGÇÖ." as I said care to find me one that says organisations have the right to discriminate? article 52, section 3, means the scope of the right that you're citing (since it is enumating rights laid out in the EHCR) is the same as it is in the EHCR, and in that case it's strictly a prohibition against governmental discrimination |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:And yes Nulla poena sine lege does occur in some parts of the world.
Parts of Australia to be specific. all parts of all democratic countries, to be specific
if you're trying to claim the opposite, that parts of australia ban you from doing anything not specifically allowed by law, you're going to need to show something to support that |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:17:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Shame I am not quoting from there but you are obviously under the belief that anyone who is not a government can discriminate. So I will no longer try to break your illusion.
the snippit you are citing cites to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union to support the claim you made
i went and read it
i actually know what im talking about and know for an absolute fact you're wrong
private organizations and citizens have the freedom of association, to associate with whom they wish
now, that freedom is limited in many circumstances so you are not allowed to discriminate on protected grounds in most cases, but political opinion is not one of them and most certainly not neonazi and racist views
you have been given many chances to back up your claims of knowing things about laws, yet every time you manage to cite somethign it appears to be you just googling things and copy/pasting them without checking the underlying law
i suggest you start, as I will always be checking the underlying law |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:19:00 -
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it is also genuinely hilarious that someone is claiming that ~the sheeple~ have allowed their liberties to be taken away while at the same time claiming that it is the law that you are not allowed to do something unless the government specifically says you can |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
that (unconstitutional, void) law is not be worded "missionary sex is allowed" if it even exists which i doubt
it is worded something along the lines of "all sex, besides missionary, is banned"
there is a specific ban, then an exemption carved out
if there was no law about sex on the books you would be allowed to do whatever you pleased, not banned from having sex because there was no law allowing it |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: No the opposite being not, no penalty without a law, where a specific dead is not written so it cannot be punished (Victorian Law) and where they assume a best fit (Western Australian Law)
research illegal video surveillance should tell you what you need
In Victoria if the crime is not on the books they cannot charge you with a crime, while in Western Australia they can.
yeah find me anything to support that |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:26:00 -
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i cannot be bothered to find whatever obviously wrong thing you're reading or figure out what actual real thing you massively misunderstood so give me a link and i will explain how what you think is not true |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ok lets take Sexual positions beyond missionary are illegal in Washington, D.C.
So yes you have a choice, no sex or missionary, it does not specify you can it just makes everything else illegal.
Do you get your legal advice from dumblaws.com? Man oh man. Well in that case yeah, stupid US laws are not of of my hobbies. The fact that Australia has some stupid laws is. For example you can have a **** on the side of the road behind your passenger rear tire while parked on the side of the road so long as you do not look up. in general all of those suppsed dumb laws don't exist
like "it is illegal to wash your llama in a bathtub on sundays!" el oh el turns out to be it's just illegal to wash any animal in a tub meant for human use on any day of the week, and they just make it overly specific to make it seem dumb |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Go search Australian High court as so far you have managed to provide 0 other than badgering.
you are making the claim, you support it
every time you give me something to actually work with (a mistake you've made twice) i've cited the specific provisions of actual law that knock it down
and given everything you've said about law is incorrect we're obviously not going to take your word for it
you clearly don't know what you're talking about at all and are just hoping i get distracted in a wild-goose chase for a link that doesn't exist |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:33:00 -
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if you google the cubed root of the number formed by taking the 198,328th digit of the largest mersenne prime through the 200,000th occurance of the digit "1", you find a link proving i'm right
go ahead, I'll wait |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:37:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Well here is an easy dumb law for you.
Western Australia still has the death penalty for mass murder and mass ****. It cannot be used as it would be found to be cruel and unusual punishment by the high court.
Yes these laws do exist. The American one honestly no idea, the Australian ones yes they do.
Same as drink driving in a babies pram, law exists in Australia.
i have no idea what you think "sometimes nations don't get around to removing laws from the books that everyone knows are unconstitutional and are never used" proves for you
that happens everywhere with a constitutional court all the time, laws against sodomy are probably still on the books of most american states though they're void after lawrence v. texas because nobody enforces them and nobody has gotten around to the whole process of removing them |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:40:00 -
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to bring this around to fon:
ccp is freely allowed under icelandic, and any other law, to remove fon from the running and refuse to associate with him. although they have failed to do this (and we should castigate them for that), we should all realize that fon, and anyone who associates with him and defends him, are unworthy of a vote and should not be associated with |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Ok how about Directive 2006/54/EC that the countries laws come from?
that refers to discrimination on the basis of sex, which is explicitly banned in employment in most countries: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:204:0023:0036:en:PDF
you will not, however, find anything of the sort that bars private discrimination on the basis of political opinions or ideology |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:48:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: So your now saying that anyone who defends some one like him should not be associated with.
So you are saying never talk to barristers, solicitors, judges, politicians, hell anyone how votes for a persons rights.
Funny I am standing up for a scums personal rights and it is your limited views I feel sorry for.
a lawyer defends their client's legal rights, which is different from standing up and saying yes, let us all associate with the racist and treat him like his views are not abhorrent |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: keep reading that is only the top
nope that's the entire thing, the entire thing is about discrimination on the basis of sex and how it shall be banned and how that ban shall be enforced
feel free to quote the section you think is in there but is not because I read the whole thing |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: How about we go for a simple base mark
Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights
as you'll recall I already knocked that one down: it only applies to the government
Quote:Article 10 GÇô Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
it's a poor man's first amendment: it bars nothing the first amendment doesn't bar and it has that giant exception in clause 2 |

EvilweaselSA
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:40:00 -
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"the video fon made full of racist and neonazi references was a joke that he made when his history of putting racist and neonazi references and statements in even the most random of places like eve balance discussions came to light. a joke, yes, that is the ticket" |
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